Irish Sports
Welcome to Live View – Take the tour to learn more
Start Tour
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
BY TONY O'HEHIR AND JAMES BURN 7:51PM 18 AUG 2015
A TELEPHONE conversation between Aidan O'Brien and York clerk of the course William Derby on Tuesday night could determine if Gleneagles takes his chance in Wednesday's Juddmonte International Stakes.
The 2,000 Guineas winner, who has also captured the Irish 2,000 Guineas and St James's Palace Stakes this season, is set to meet Derby hero Golden Horn in one of the most-anticipated races of modern times, but the ground appears to have gone against the star miler.
Derby, also York's chief executive, described the going as good, good to soft in places following 9mm of rain on Tuesday, which is not what O'Brien wanted to hear.
'Things up in the air'
The trainer plans to speak to Derby on Tuesday night, but could wait until his son Joseph, who is due to partner Gleneagles, rides at York on Wednesday and can give his assessment of conditions.
O'Brien, who trains the son of Galileo for the Coolmore partners, said: "Things are up in the air. The ground is obviously not the way we would like it for Gleneagles. We'll wait and see.
"Joseph will be riding in two races early on the card and it's possible we might wait to see what he says."
A TELEPHONE conversation between Aidan O'Brien and York clerk of the course William Derby on Tuesday night could determine if Gleneagles takes his chance in Wednesday's Juddmonte International Stakes.
The 2,000 Guineas winner, who has also captured the Irish 2,000 Guineas and St James's Palace Stakes this season, is set to meet Derby hero Golden Horn in one of the most-anticipated races of modern times, but the ground appears to have gone against the star miler.
Derby, also York's chief executive, described the going as good, good to soft in places following 9mm of rain on Tuesday, which is not what O'Brien wanted to hear.
'Things up in the air'
The trainer plans to speak to Derby on Tuesday night, but could wait until his son Joseph, who is due to partner Gleneagles, rides at York on Wednesday and can give his assessment of conditions.
O'Brien, who trains the son of Galileo for the Coolmore partners, said: "Things are up in the air. The ground is obviously not the way we would like it for Gleneagles. We'll wait and see.
"Joseph will be riding in two races early on the card and it's possible we might wait to see what he says."
Show More
How can Joseph get down to 8-12, cannot be good for him
A pity. The Grey Gatsby is great eway value, if they all run.
Text of the interview on main site!
theres only one best tonic • August 19, 2015 1:10 PM BST
you can hear the interview now...........
listen Olivia the lads were very keen to run but listen Joseph has just come in after the Acomb and listen he says its verging on heavy out there and listen Gleneagles needs it rock hard and the lads have tried to persuade the bha to transfer the race to Bath but they wouldnt so we cant risk him on this good ground Olivia do you understand what I'm saying Olivia are you listening to me he has so much speed that we considered the nunthorpe for him but listen the lads really wanted to take on the derby winner but listen we just cant because hes still at home in Ballydoyle...................
theres only one best tonic • August 19, 2015 1:10 PM BST
you can hear the interview now...........
listen Olivia the lads were very keen to run but listen Joseph has just come in after the Acomb and listen he says its verging on heavy out there and listen Gleneagles needs it rock hard and the lads have tried to persuade the bha to transfer the race to Bath but they wouldnt so we cant risk him on this good ground Olivia do you understand what I'm saying Olivia are you listening to me he has so much speed that we considered the nunthorpe for him but listen the lads really wanted to take on the derby winner but listen we just cant because hes still at home in Ballydoyle...................
Breeders Cup Mile, callitasucit, I'd say. Will get fast ground there.
ACE CONDITIONS WGT RACE OUTCOME JOCKEY OR TS RPR
01Aug15 Goo 10GF C1G1 340K 8-12 3/9 (3¾L Legatissimo 8-12) 25/1 Silvestre De Sousa 109 * *
10Jul15 Nmk 8GF C1G1 123K 8-12 7/7 (4L Amazing Maria 9-7) 9/1 Silvestre De Sousa 109 * *
19Jun15 Asc 8GF C13yG1 229K 9-0 5/9 (2¼L Ervedya 9-0) 12/1 Silvestre De Sousa 107 * *
05Jun15 Eps 8.5Gd C1G3 39K 8-8 1/9 (4L Crowley's Law 9-6) 9/1 Silvestre De Sousa 101 * *
27Sep14 Nmk 6GF C12yG1 117K 9-0 6/9 (8L Tiggy Wiggy 9-0) 25/1 Silvestre De Sousa 101 * *
09Aug14 Nmk 7Sft C12yG3 28K 9-5 5/7 (3¾L Muraaqaba 9-0) 11/2 Liam Keniry 10
01Aug15 Goo 10GF C1G1 340K 8-12 3/9 (3¾L Legatissimo 8-12) 25/1 Silvestre De Sousa 109 * *
10Jul15 Nmk 8GF C1G1 123K 8-12 7/7 (4L Amazing Maria 9-7) 9/1 Silvestre De Sousa 109 * *
19Jun15 Asc 8GF C13yG1 229K 9-0 5/9 (2¼L Ervedya 9-0) 12/1 Silvestre De Sousa 107 * *
05Jun15 Eps 8.5Gd C1G3 39K 8-8 1/9 (4L Crowley's Law 9-6) 9/1 Silvestre De Sousa 101 * *
27Sep14 Nmk 6GF C12yG1 117K 9-0 6/9 (8L Tiggy Wiggy 9-0) 25/1 Silvestre De Sousa 101 * *
09Aug14 Nmk 7Sft C12yG3 28K 9-5 5/7 (3¾L Muraaqaba 9-0) 11/2 Liam Keniry 10
Ballydoyle probably worried about devaluing Gleneagles by being beaten . Didn't run today , undoubtedly devalued for 2 reasons ,
1. Colts not as good as was thought , best of them beaten fairly by a filly .
2. If your progeny cant run on anything but fast ground people will look elsewhere .
1. Colts not as good as was thought , best of them beaten fairly by a filly .
2. If your progeny cant run on anything but fast ground people will look elsewhere .
I think Golden proved himself today , Eagles on the other hand had the cotton wool treatment . I know who I'd send a mare too .
wOULD BE NICE if would Gleneagles went for the Breeders Cup meeting lads,but Callit could be right.
Gleneagles would have stood and will stand for more than any stallion retiring in Europe this season regardless of what happened today or will happen for the rest of the season. He has the profile the boys have been waiting, a precocious, fast son of Galileo.
re the ground, don't think needing quick ground is ever counted against a stallion, only the opposite and a reliance on muck. Good ground horse usually means a good mover, an athleticism which transfers to walking around a sales ring. You'd guess Golden Horn will end up being stood at Darley given his sire, no worthwhile 2yo form or form under 10f, won't crack 25k. Gleneagles will start at around the 50 mark at least you'd think.
re the ground, don't think needing quick ground is ever counted against a stallion, only the opposite and a reliance on muck. Good ground horse usually means a good mover, an athleticism which transfers to walking around a sales ring. You'd guess Golden Horn will end up being stood at Darley given his sire, no worthwhile 2yo form or form under 10f, won't crack 25k. Gleneagles will start at around the 50 mark at least you'd think.
Just had a look Neill at Frankel PROFILE Like printing your own money Neill
2008 b.h Galileo - Kind
16.1hh (1.65m) to stud 2013
2015 Fee: £125,000 SLF
The first horse in 60 years to be champion at two, three and four years of age
The only horse to have run to a Timeform rating in the 140s seven times, recording the highest ever rating of 147
The record holder for European consecutive Gr.1 wins
"The new benchmark of equine excellence."
World Thoroughbred Rankings Committee
89% of mares in his 2013 and 2014 books were blacktype producers or performers
First foals averaged just under £650,000
First yearlings in 2015
2008 b.h Galileo - Kind
16.1hh (1.65m) to stud 2013
2015 Fee: £125,000 SLF
The first horse in 60 years to be champion at two, three and four years of age
The only horse to have run to a Timeform rating in the 140s seven times, recording the highest ever rating of 147
The record holder for European consecutive Gr.1 wins
"The new benchmark of equine excellence."
World Thoroughbred Rankings Committee
89% of mares in his 2013 and 2014 books were blacktype producers or performers
First foals averaged just under £650,000
First yearlings in 2015
Frankel a one off in recent times . Definitely the new bench mark pending confirmation when a few seasons have passed .
Going to be question marks re Gleneagles until he puts down another good performance , he has been cotton wooled it seems , hope he proves the misgivings misplaced , but the only proof of pudding is in the eating . Ballydoyle know this better than we do , interesting to see further plans for him .
Going to be question marks re Gleneagles until he puts down another good performance , he has been cotton wooled it seems , hope he proves the misgivings misplaced , but the only proof of pudding is in the eating . Ballydoyle know this better than we do , interesting to see further plans for him .
I think you're thinking of Gleneagles in terms of his greatness as a racehorse rather than his commercial value to his connections. Him winning at two and training enough on to win a Guineas is more important than anything that comes after. He could win every other Group 1 all-aged race for the rest of the season and it still wouldn't be as important to his commercial value as his 2yo form and his winning of the last 2yo race, the Guineas. Proving he stayed 10f in soft ground might actually have harmed the impression they want to create of him as a fast son of Galileo.
Post Your Reply
Please login to post a reply.
Wonder
Instance ID: 13539