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wildmanfromborneo
14 May 15 08:08
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Its an old maxim but a good one.
If the handicapper sees some trainer at it in a maiden hurdle he should refuse to give him a mark,telling him he will get a mark when he tries.

Years ago when some Russian horses entered the Grand National they were automatically given top weight.

This maxim can also apply to referenda.
If you have a scintilla of doubt vote No.
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Report winsamsoon May 14, 2015 9:13 AM BST
He can and and does do this, all be it very rarely.
No horse should get a mark unless its placed in a maiden (hurdle/chase), it would make these races more competitive and if you're not good enough to be placed in one of these, you're not good enough for the track full stop.
Report kavvie May 14, 2015 9:25 AM BST
there wud be very few 16 runner handicaps if that was brought in!
Report winsamsoon May 14, 2015 9:46 AM BST
You'd have to swap a lot of the 0-95 handicaps for maidens, but imo they'd be no loss if you were gaining 16+ runners maiden hurdles with all trying as opposed to now where you have 20 runner fields with 3 trying
Report kavvie May 14, 2015 9:53 AM BST
its the way of the world, economics,  trainer gets the year or more training fees as the owner or owners are fed positive vibes..they will be a day for him etc..then the sh1t hits the fan in most cases when they discover the horse is useless..and will never win a race
Report Distant View May 14, 2015 10:19 AM BST
I doubt this is a horse racing thread and the debate that is being proposed is the events of next Thursday.

I would assume that most people vote no when they have any doubts about what is proposed.
Report Ozymandius May 14, 2015 10:28 AM BST
Grin
Report neill d May 14, 2015 11:30 AM BST
Combine the inexperience of the horses with the nature of some of our tracks and I'd say you'd see a lot of fatalities in maiden hurdles if everyone was at it, especially in the summer. Apart from that, it ain't a bad idea. It would be the first step away from handicaps toward the claiming system in America in a way.
Report winsamsoon May 14, 2015 11:18 PM BST
(1/2)R&R ENQUIRY: into Hunters Of Acres in the 1st race: trainer John M.Burke in breach of R212, fined E1,500, horse suspended 42 days. ctd
2/2) Jockey FJ Hayes, in breach of R213, suspended for 2 days.

8th    Dancing Meadows
held up, moderate 12th from 3 out, kept on same pace
9th    1.25L    Hunters Of Acres
SP 50/1
John M Burke
F J Hayes(7)
held up, moderate 10th after 4th, no impression approaching straight
10th    0.75L    Summit Point (IRE)
chased leaders, soon moderate 4th, lost place and not fluent 3 out, no extra approaching straight
11th    1L    Hard Caught
held up, no impression from after 3 out
12th    9L    Sheworthafewpounds
soon mid-division, no impression from after 3 out
13th    1.25L    Desiderata
chased leaders, soon moderate 5th, closer in 3rd at 6th, no extra approaching straight
14th    1.75L    Where's Granny
held up, moderate 11th after 4th, no extra from after 3 out
15th    1L    Fairy Field
held up, moderate 10th after 3 out, soon no extra
16th    8L    Hughies Bay
held up, no extra from after 3 out
17th    50L    Thats Good Too
always towards rear, no extra after 3 out, completely tailed off
18th    2.5L    Sandusky
towards rear, slow jump 1st, pushed along 4th, no extra after 3 out, completely tailed off

So what did he do different to the other 10
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