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Was away this weekend , expected to see loads about AP on theIirish Forum . Not a dicky bird from what I can glean , presumably he has renounced his Irishness .
The English media have been handing out the plaudits wholesale , AP deserves every thing that has been said about him , unbelievable record in a tough game .
We will definitely never see the likes of his record again , it does deserve copy though , especially on this forum given his Irish roots and Irish connections . Moneyglass is in Ireland too , not the most fashionable place for a hero to come from , well done the lad .
The English media have been handing out the plaudits wholesale , AP deserves every thing that has been said about him , unbelievable record in a tough game .
We will definitely never see the likes of his record again , it does deserve copy though , especially on this forum given his Irish roots and Irish connections . Moneyglass is in Ireland too , not the most fashionable place for a hero to come from , well done the lad .
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I think its all been said, Kelly. I for one, AP for another, is glad the whole retirement circus is over. Nothing to do with nationality though typical of your paranoia assume that it is.
As an aside, Moneyglass is in Northern Ireland which is part of the UK. It is both incorrect and incediary to suggest otherwise. Why can't you just be proud about coming from Northern Ireland? Why do you need our love and appreciation so badly? |
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Ozy , I was in the UK last week , had to take a boat or plane to get there ...I can drive my CAR to Moneyglass without either ...Kelly is CORRECT its in IRELAND.......
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I just assume that most of the people in Ireland , north or south , view themselves as Irish and not West Brits , Ozy . But sometimes I am not so sure .
Tony Mccoy is 100% Irish , Ozy . Just like me , even if history decrees he was born in a part of Ireland annexed by England and abandoned by most of those in the south ultimately . I identify 100% with people from all over the 32 counties in Ireland , mix with them all over Ireland , but I suspect the feeling is not reciprocated by everyone from the 26 southern counties regarding those in the North . If that is regarded as paranoia , so be it . But you got to call it as you see it . I think that the whole population of the 32 counties needs to accept that the most Gaelic part of Ireland is the North . A fact which has been lost in various debates about Irishness in the last couple of hundred years . Dublin 4 is not the whole Ireland , even if sections of the southern media think so . |
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It happens to be on, rather than in the 'Island of Ireland', in the geographic sense, but as even you are aware, politically it is part of the UK of GB & I. Like it or lump it.
The political aspect matters most because it determines your currency, who you pay your tax to etc etc. You don't find Haitians or Domnicans claiming they are from Hispaniola. |
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I just assume that most of the people in Ireland , north or south , view themselves as Irish and not West Brits , Ozy
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Again you miss the point , the landmass is ONE island ....
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I just assume that most of the people in Ireland , north or south , view themselves as Irish and not West Brits , Ozy
Amazing that even an educated Catholic like yourself makes such incendiary remarks that display zero respect for the wishes of your fellow citzens of Northern Ireland. These people who live around you, in your communitiy...these are the people who matter. And what do they want; they want to remain part of the UK. Deal with it Move down South if you can't handle it. |
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Wonk's, I think you will find ALL islands constitute a single landmass. You haven''t stumbled upon a remarkable breathrough.
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Questin fr Wnks; what s the Northern part of the island of Ireland known as?
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Don't agree with that at all ozymandius. Ireland is 32 counties and all its citizens are irish. Nationality has nothing to do with politics
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Can only imagine how good (strong) he was in his prime, been way past his best for some time now. Lots of horses don't seem to jump for him. Binocular (another one) & MTOY both should have had Champion Hurdles under him for different reasons. Hands of stone & as the strength faded, a lot of his horses seemed to use a lot of gas too early.
I do believe there was a time when he was an unbelievable jock, though. edredon Bleu & that, but he has weathered lately. A lot of what he is riding against in the UK is garbage jockey-wise. He even alluded to it on Saturday. |
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I have the utmost respect for my fellow citizens who cleave to their Britishness , Ozy . Most of them are decent people who have been left isolated in a world where they were not always comfortable . Ne Temere had a big part to play in that , and thats 108 years ago . Church and politics unfortunately have not always conspired for the greater good of the whole people of Ireland ( and that includes some well known non catholic clergymen lest I seem to be bashing just one church ) .
The proximity to our bigger neighbour clouds issues re nationality , all our friends who "kick with the other foot" are quite happy to be regarded as Irish when they are in America , Australia , or Europe etc . But their passport says "British" . Just an anomaly which time may eventually solve , but for the present thats the status quo . |
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firstimevisor, you do realise that the Ulster Unionists consider themselves British. Simple as. And they are in the majority up there.
And GB will gladly offer NI a referendum anytime they want, because God knows they don;t want the God forsaken place anyway. So as soon as the majority shifts we can have it back. Do we want it? Can we afford it? I;m fairly ambivalent about the place frankly. |
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I see no one has anything to say about poor auld AP.
Perhaps if the OP had introduced AP as the subject with out getting political the thread might have been different. Bottom line is down here we don't really give a sh1te about your politics as long as you keep all the boodshed and hatrid up there. You are welcome to each other as far as i am concerned. Now....AP...... |
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Well the Scots and Welsh are british too but that doesnt mean they cannot be scottish or welsh.
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the usual irrelevant rubbish from Ozy.
I cheered on AP during the grand national after my nags fell by the wayside. That would have been some send-off. Hard to imagine the sport without him. |
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Ozy , if the Brits left , by agreement and peacefully , and everybody in the whole 32 counties pulled together , Ireland would be a lot better place , and would thrive economically . The northern "planters " have a lot to offer , they are hardworking , diligent , honest and intelligent generally . They have lost out recently , they themselves point the finger at "losing" their schools , educationally they have fallen behind . Some of them love their Irishness , but cannot show it , and the history of this small island is complex . Nothing is irretrievable though .
I can identify sometimes more with those who would be deemed unionist than some of the people I meet in GAA circles ( some of whom until recently lived with a somewhat distorted view of other "islanders" ) . The unionists also realise the force that is the GAA , they admire it ( secretly) , but again they cannot participate because of history . |
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I think perhaps we are at cross purposes. The orignial point was what country Moneyglass is in. There is no country known as Ireland. It is the country of Northern Ireland which is part of the UK of GB and NI.
Ap can feel whatever Nationality he wants, of course he can, but he cannot change his post code. |
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Dublin 4 isnt any part of Ireland Kelly. most of them wish the Brits never left!
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Ozy , if the Brits left , by agreement and peacefully , and everybody in the whole 32 counties pulled together , Ireland would be a lot better place ,
Horsh1t.....the IMF would be in within a year. Pull together you say...and what sing kumbaye and rebel songs? That wont keep the wolf from the door. Britain is propping NI up through Civil Service jobs and you should be damn thankful for it. We cannot afford to replace them as your Sugar Daddy. So if I were you, I would suck away on that teat and not worry to much about 'Irishness' |
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That's my final say on the subject, it's all been said before.
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he claims not to live 'down here'...so why do u care?
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Doubt the Americans EVER refere to Northern Ireland ,unless its politics ...You seem a little perturbed this evening ,maybe its your obvious jealously of Kelly ...Seems you can switch sides in the blink of an eye...Big Ian would not be amused....
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Sad to hear an Irishman talk so indifferently about regaining part of our country which is rightfully ours. I just wish they had taken Dublin 4 instead of the 6 counties, it would have a lot better fit and everyone would have been a lot happier.
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Ozy showing signs of losing it ...Tubby and Pikey sure to arrive soon to bale him out ...
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firstimevisor, you do realise that the Ulster Unionists consider themselves British. Simple as. And they are in the majority up there
Ozy,the Ulster Unionists are'nt even in the majority in the Unionist population in the North,never mind the overall population.The Democratic Unionists are the largest party "up there",you might enjoy reading/learning about them http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/debateni/blogs/homophobia-sexism-islamophobia-name-any-prejudice-and-the-dup-are-probably-guilty-of-it-31168688.html |
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I lived in what is now Dublin 4 for the 2 years I worked in Dublin , freddiek . But in the sixties it had not evolved to what it is now viewed as . Ronnie Drew lived around the corner I think , Brendan Behan socialised there ( and hospitalised there in Baggot Street I think ) , and Searsons served the best ( wild) salmon sandwich in the world ( or so it seemed) .
Then I suspect the pseuds took over . |
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everyone would have been a lot happier.
again, complete disdain and ignorance for the feelings of the Ulster Unionist. No wonder they are so resistant towards being part of a United Ireland, who could blame them? |
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I always enjoy the walk from Baggot Strt. over the canal bridge and up to Stephen's Green. been in Searson's a few times meself, popular with the rugger-buggers
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1,01, sorry about my inaccurate useage of the terms. I meant to refer to the Unionist pop of NI.
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All you cants on about D4, you could barely afford to take a p1ss there.
Apologies to TTK, who I know has a nice des res there. |
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Many unionists stayed in the republic after independence and were very happy and contented. If you had your way, the whole country would still be under British rule.
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Yes, but I didn't have my way and am now very happily assimilated with and tolerate the natives. For the most part.
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Not so many of the ruggerites then , freddiek . Wasn't as trendy as now . Got to give it to the rugby guys south and north though , they have fashioned it well for Ireland and the provinces , bit of vision there which would not always have been the case . But an example too of the benefits of all island organisation , golf also .
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Ozy ,PLEASE , no need for that kind of language ,you're always the same when you are losing a argument...
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No matter what country you talk about, it is sad to hear someone say that they rather their country wasn't free and independent. Our people have suffered greatly at the hands of the British, anyone who wants a return to their control is suffering from massive bouts of delusion.
Similar to what we saw during the scottish referendum where independence and freedom was in their grasp but fear and self doubt meant that they didn't have the balls to take it. We have thrived since independence, both socially and economically, after a difficult start. Bump on the road the last few years ecomonically and there's a lot wrong with the country but I am very proud of the Republic we have created. |
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yeah agreed, we have done pretty well, all told.
Especially in the last two decades when we have begun to finally shake the last shackles of the influence of the Catholic Church from our legislation. We tend not to produce statesmen of note, but then we have only had a century of practice. We are lucky the EU came along when it did because it gave us a marketplace to access and an association to take advantage of. |
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Ozy , do you think the Presbyterian Church has had a big influence on people up North ,and whats your opinion of their draconian teaching mate..?
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I wouldn't know much about them, Wonks. As far as I know their beliefs aren't enshrined in the British Constitution so that automatically limits their influence on the wider population.
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