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"forde delusion"
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Aaron Rodgers is a joy to watch in American Football, guess he also isn't world class as he doesn't get a chance to prove it internationally
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I have great respect for GAA players and would consider Eoin Kelly, JJ Delaney et al as great artisans but Sweeney is 100% correct in everything he wrote there, it is probably one of his best pieces actually as he won't be thanked for it by many.
Brolly isn't the judge I thought he was, or else he doesn't truly belive what he is saying and is just a controversy monger. Any Irish kid who makes it over there deserves massive respect. |
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What specific points of the article do you particularly agree with Rocketfingers ? Or what point do you think the article actually makes ?
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Totally agree, the best piece in the long list of great pieces from Sweeney. Oh and i agree with every single word.
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You only agree with it Rocketfingers because it's anti-GAA. You're getting tiresome.
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No i agree with it because it is correct, It's not actually anti anything, Sweeney is merely stressing that Hunt's point of view is correct and also shows up Brolly's comments which are bitter, and merely jibes in the whole exchange. While you come back with the age old 'you're anti the GAA if you speak ill of it' there SYT, now that is tiresome. You actually can't even point out what is wrong with what Sweeney has written so you attack me instead rather than trying to debate it because you know in your heart and soul he is correct.
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The top class GAA players , football and hurling , can hold their own with the players of any sport anywhere on the planet where skill is a factor . Wouldn't want to compete with the over developed rugby players though for instance ( and there is a story waiting to happen in that regard I suspect , breakfast cereals etc ) .
The fact that someone has played for 15 years for Ipswich Town as a professional is I would suggest a nothing in sports terms world wise, other than being well paid . When a certain GAA player , by no means the best ever to pull on the Meath shirt , trained with a Premier league team , they said he was the fittest footballer ( not necessarily soccer ) they had ever seen . The GAA players nowadays are exceptionally well conditioned and trained , that is not to say they are the best players ever , because the skill factor and changing playing modes enter into various equations . In the heady days of International rules jousts , the amateurs of Ireland matched and beat seasoned Aussie rules professionals , that was going on for 20 years ago and GAA players are even better conditioned these days ( even if skill levels are debatable ) . Attempts to diss GAA players are foolhardy , no one anywhere in the world plays a physical team game like hurling with such skill , passion , and commitment . For nothing other than love of the game ,club , county etc . Outside of professional hockey possibly , but who wants to watch a game where you cant see the ball . Not that I watch soccer a lot other than in the course of betting on the result , but a main plank of professional football is to have the ability to kick or trip an opponent and get away with it as a "tackle" . If that is skill , you can have it . The number of players I see who have the ability to beat an opponent on their own --without involvement of anyone else -- are few and far between . Those sort of players have been marginalised by current styles of play , the Di Stefanos , Peles , Eusibios , Bests , Charltons , Beckenbauers , Moores , Cruyffs , Maradonas , have not been replaced by players of equivalent talent or stature regularly in the last 25 years . The defenders in particular these days are bigger and stronger than they used to be , but so are the rugby players world wide . But skill levels ? Soccer people locally ( Ireland south and north ) are incredibly jealous of the support that GAA sports attract . Is it not possible that those who vote with their feet , and their cash at the turnstiles , have a message to impart ? Might they not just be correct in their assessment of the relative worth of the sports available to them ? Instead of knocking the GAA the soccer people locally in particular should concentrate on righting their own sport . It is organised top down from the crumbs falling from a near neighbours table , no decent Irish player south or north wants to play in their own country , and eventually there will be no supply or interest other than what is happening across the water . The make up of the top English clubs nowadays is such that there are fewer and fewer locals playing at the top level , England are a very average side , no English player is in the top 25 in the world , only player I see with outstanding talent is Bale . Ireland are quite rightly ranked as third best rugby nation in world at present , rightly so and we can all be proud of their efforts . How many of them would be capable ( or interested ) in turning out for a Premier league team , ( apart from the ridiculous TV driven money ). That does not make them inferior athletes or sportsmen , just different animals in a different sport . Some prominent GAA players I know personally trained alongside rugby internationals a while back , they beat the sh*t out of them in almost every discipline . Both of those sports have moved on condition wise since -- but not necessarily at skill level . |
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Kelly don't even insult hurling players mentioning them with gaelic footballers when it comes to skill. There is old wifes tales about Graham Geraghty, it was never said in public by the prem club in question but you are welcomed to prove me wrong reminds me of stuff coming out of North Korea. We already seen when the International rules team played the Aussies recently they were not able to live with them despite the hybrid game being overwhelmingly tailored to suit them, so on this basis how can people argue Hunt or Sweeney are nto correct with what they're saying !?
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Anyone mentioning North Korea has already lost the argument Rocketfingers .
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ah,brolly is a piss take artist.he wound up hunt and sucked in sweeney.he's too smart for ther ilk.believe me,he's laughing his bollix off at them.job done!
a little bollix but he was 1 hell of a footballer,pace to burn. |
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My friend Kelly, what argument? You don't have one come back when you do though
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this fella sweeney is an elite-level gobshyte. just like rocket!
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Looking again at the opening post , there is a reference to Roy Keane . Assuming Keanes residual talent remained intact and at a comparable level with his displays on the soccer field world wide , how would he have fared playing GAA for Cork ? Would he have been in the top 3 GAA players of the last 30 years ? Very much doubt it . And he presumably was way superior to Hunt as a soccer player .
That sort of argument is on the road to a reductio ad absurdum , but it is a valid question . Saying that GAA players would not be able to cope with the demands of top class soccer in England is an opinion , nothing else . Different sports require different skills and disciplines , comparing them is difficult and leaves the author of such assertions in very muddy water . The most iconic sportsman in American history is arguably Babe Ruth , who peaked in the 1930's . No one in his sport has got near his stature , even Ty Cobb . Babe couldn't have got on a soccer pitch , would't have wanted too . Does that prove that soccer players are superior athletes ? All it helps to show is that soccer is a specific sport , suited to specific players ( including players like Messi who wouldn't even attempt to play GAA , dont think I ever saw a top class GAA player under 5 foot 8 inches , 5 foot 4's need not apply ) . Soccer is a game played essentially on the ground , GAA games are not . Drawing comparisons other than physical tests divorced from the particular skills of each sport are largely futile . |
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Once upon a time there was a hurler/footballer from Wexford. He played both with pride for club and county but also loved his game of soccer. But, there was no club from where he lived. Didn't it come up in conversation one evening down the local. "sure why don't we set up a club?" With the good backing of the 2 local pubs in the village a new soccer club was set up with the pitch in a farmers field.
The local hurling club treated the new club with total disdain, non cooperation with fixtures, lack of consultation on local issues etc. Turns out that some of the players were interested in playing the game and sure enough didn't the soccer club make successive promotions to the point where they were in the top division in Wexford soccer. It so happened that the same player was involved with his local club in the soccer cup final on the Saturday on the day before the county final in hurling. The game of soccer was played and the player turned up on the Sunday for the hurling which unfortunately they lost by a point. The winning point in no way was his fault but when the weekly newspaper came out the following Tuesday with himself in a team photo before the soccer game word went around. A 6 month ban was issued. Queue 6 months later didn't it happen on the day the ban was to be lifted Wexford were playing in an early season league game and the county were looking for out for our friend to tog out as the regular starter had got injured. 4 times they came to his house almost demanding that he should line out for his county. He vowed that he would never play for hurling for Wexford again. On the fourth day he let the dog loose on them. |
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Kingrat , Brolly was a very skilful footballer , pace to burn , never jumped for a ball in his life ( his own words once upon an evening) . Without Tohill and co powering forward from mid field , over running opposition half backs and giving him the ball on a plate he would not be remembered unduly . Joe knows that himself .
Joe has always been a ball hopper , my wifes nephew shared a room with him in grammar school ( boarding) . He does know football , but sometimes his views are not mainstream with a lot of GAA followers , particularly in the expression . |
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Remember Brolly was on with Bernard Flynn before the start of the World Cup on RTE radio in the summer with Des Cahill and they were switching discussion from that days GAA to the World cup that was to begin the following week.
Des asked would they be watching any of the soccer and the way they dismissed soccer came across as very bitter "I'd close the curtains if it was play in my back garden" It really showed them up when there was no dissenting voice there. On the same programme Flynn talked about how he would sit up every Sunday evening glued to Sky watching the golf from America. |
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Ah Brilliant story AH, hopefully it was a pitbull.
Kelly sorry but all you are doing there is proving Kelly's point, that i pure waffle you're talking knowing what babe ruth thought , you have no argument as i have stated above, The GAA players were not able to stand up to the Aussies who were playing in a match after a really tough season and were found out for fitness, so i think and again they're nothing like professional athletes which when you think of it proves Hunt's whole point. Now please Kelly please think about your reply next time. |
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Rocketfingers , the skill levels in hurling and football are completely different . Some players have played both games to a high skill and performance level , but duality brings a huge number of other factors into account .
I doubt if any players of any sport anywhere else in the world could play hurling at top class level without an enormous effort . Hurling is basically a cradle sport , those outside of a relatively few counties need not apply . We have tried manfully in Down to develope hurling for nigh on the last 50 years , to no avail . One All -Ireland final appearance I think . 5 comfortable enough All- Ireland football wins , same player pool / potential for football and hurling , its not in us the hurling other than down the Ards a bit . Players for courses . |
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the Irish players have regularly beaten the Aussies throughout the lifetime of the series.
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We have beaten them but never when the Aussies sent senior players.
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Remember Barry Hall and a few of the top guys came out to play and gave the Irish lads a walloping and then we had to hear the pathetic bitching of Sean Boylan crying foul over the treatment his poor amateur boys had gotten from the Aussies.
The irony considering the team he managed in the 80s. |
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Ireland vs Aussies in International rules has proved that GAA players are up to the mark . As freddiek says over the years the figures prove it . And bear in mind it is amateurs versus pros . In physical terms while we seldom would claim superiority over the Aussies , in terms of being footballers in the wider sense of the word , we have always been way superior , and I suspect if the same teams played out a soccer series we would have stuffed them every time .
Cant decipher some of your sentences Rocket , particuarly ref Babe Ruth , I certainly would never disregard a proud sporting nations opinion on one of their sporting icons . |
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does any1 here remember the ban.i was told some funny stories from old stalwarts down the club.one old boy told me that he played in a county championship game on a sunday which they won.the other club put in an objection because he played(under an alias) in a soccer game the previous day.
at the time it caused alot of consternation and split the club right down the middle when he got a ban of 6 mts. |
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Not hard to spot the Mayo man on this thread. Probably has a bit of Louth or Tyrone blood him too. Sean Boylan is one of the greats of GAA - not many would have bad words to say, only the bitter.
Rocketfingers - would you clarify your argument please. All you have really said is that you agree with Hunt and Sweeney's article. What specifically do you agree with? From my understanding, Hunt basically said GAA players couldn't hack the lifestyle of a Premier League player. He later moved to clarify that it was the "rest" aspect he was referring to when he said lifestyle. "Rest" is obviously difficult when you're amateur. To be honest I find it difficult to understand what point he was making at all. |
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Can you also clarify what you mean by "skill levels"....it's such a lazy term and refers to nothing at all. Flesh out your argument a bit there Rocketfingers .... I'm sure you can manage more than your usual sentence or two?
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You need to go and read what he said, you obviously have not, now that my friend is a very lazy attitude to display.
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What's your argument Rocketfingers. State the point you wish to make and we'll debate it.
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My Point is the same as Sweeney's, could you not tell from my opening post?
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The ban was rooted in the myriad history of this islend , and had some substantive arguments in its favour at certain points in time . However post war it was out of date and I cant honestly say I ever met anyone who agreed with it completely . Most ignored it , I certainly did reference attendance at non GAA sports even if I was not guilty of playing the "banned" sports .
One of my friends played rugby while at UNI , under an assumed name of course , mothers maiden names are useful sometimes . 3 All -Ireland medals . The fact that very few non catholic people play or participate in GAA sports / affairs is often ignored in passing . Far more of us play and participate in "foreign " games , crossing the "bridge" so to speak than come across the bridge to embrace our GAA sports . Criticising the GAA is fashionable in certain circles , personally I think the GAA does a brilliant job in providing facilites and infra structure nationally all over this island , for virtually zero cost to the country . Everywhere I drive in Ireland I see excellent GAA gounds in small hamlets and towns , I dont see equivalent facilities in most other sports . Give the GAA credit for what they have achieved and for what they are giving to the community . |
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I hope SYT has gone and read up on this subject rather than asking me to explain all to him. Kelly stop waffling btw.
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It's a copy and paste job from Eamonn Sweeney.
Same type of article was written about the World Series Baseball, American Football players and one about James Hurd, Aussie Rules player. National Sports v Global . Stephen Hunt is a GAA man and was speaking about young Irish players going over to play soccer imo. |
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It might be relevant to point out to you rocketfingers that other people have posted on here re this thread . My comments are not exclusively directed at you , rocketfingers , your mindset is obvious and extremely biassed . I like all sport and appreciate the efforts of many organisations as well as the GAA . Targetting GAA players as inferior somehow to soccer players is bananas . Most GAA footballers can play soccer , very few soccer players can play GAA football ( or hurling ) . Soccer is basically a very easy game , hence its appeal world wide .
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Gant can you get this article you seem to know so well and show up Sweeney? I would be impressed if you were not telling some fibs for once.
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If GAA players are so good there is £100,000 a week waiting for them. They could do it for a year or two just to prove a point.
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Kelly
Soccer is basically a very easy game , hence its appeal world wide. ![]() |
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Excellent article, fully agree with the sentiment expressed.
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you would know a lot about the gaa ozy or spastic fingers for that matter either,
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