Gigginstown Thread 2014-2015

Surely going to struggle this year.....some of their decisions seem a bit strange to say the least.....
Giving horses to Elliott to get ready for trainers of inferior ability.......Putting a lot of eggs in the baskets of Noel Meade and even more worrying Mouse Morris.....
Other trainers in favour .....Charlie Swan....Colm Murphy...are hardly top drawer....

26 Three Year Olds named for Gigginstown this week..

Broken Soul-(Beneficial-Alicia's charm)

Annihilate-(Westerner-Bollin Jasmine)

Everyday Everyhour-(presenting-candello)

Fire In His Eyes-(Stowaway-Carrigeen Kohleria)

Fire In Soul-(Robin Des Champs-Cherry Black)

Lion In His Heart-(Westerner-Coolnasneachta)

Fleet Commander-(Kings Theatre-Corskeagh Shadow)

Gunnery Sergeant-(Presenting-Dame Foraine)

Polymath-(Stowaway-Godlylady)

Usurp-(Flemensfirth-Gypsy Mo Chara)

Stoneford-(Beneficial-Hester Hall)

Wolfslair-(****-Hidden Reverse)

Bull Ride-(Marienbard-Kilbarry Demon)

Burndown-(Presenting-Leaders Hall)

Crest-(Kayf Tara-Maiden Voyage)

Blood Crazed Tiger-(Kings Theatre-Mardi Roberta)

Criminate-(Milan-Mega d'Estruval)

Deadpan-(****-Midnight Flirt)

Death Duty-(Shantou-Midnight Gift)

Be The Hero-(Oscar-Pearly Princess)

Grotesque-(Kayf Tara-Princess Timon)

Blow By Blow-(Robin Des Champs-Shean Rose)

Punished Pilgrim-(Milan-Shuil Dorcha)

Brightest Flame-(Shantou-Sparkling Sword)

Admiral Chief-(Presenting-Supreme Serenade)

Shattered Love-(****-Tracker)

Some interesting names there

No idea why Betfair have banned the word Yéats

Horse in the bumper tomorrow looked a machine when I saw it at Punchestown back in Feb.

Would the ground be a concern Princesse D'Anjou? It was heavy that day.

He is by Big Bad Bob so should be alright.

What exactly happened in Punchestown ?

10 clear when he fell.

Now as we all know there is nobody quite like a pointing man for hyperbole......
If anybody is interested I will give a more reasoned synopsis of this horses performance......
First of all it looks a poor race and even if he has only average ability.......which he most likely has.....well then he should go and win....
In his point.....the ground was awful.....and he was in the process of grinding out a big margin victory when taking a really awful fall at the last.....the horse that he was going to beat subsequently ran in the pointing bumper at Fairyhouse and beat no horse home.....on top of that bar the winner Free Expression.....it was a bad looking renewal of that race....
When all is said and done it should win today.....but the term machine is bandied about all too regularly by the pointing fraternity.....theres a couple of Gold Cup winners run most Sundays according to those lads.....

A Civil Servant would be proud of that fence sitting statement.

I don't like Paulie and Paulie don't like me but this is what he is good at.

Its not a fence sitting statement its a presentation of the facts,its up to each individual here to interpret them in their own way.

On his breeding to me the ground should be no problem,it is a very poor bumper and his performance in the Punchestown point to point suggests he has an engine.

I don't know the stats but would think favourites in Punchestown bumpers outside the festival have an incredibly high strike rate.

Maybe the ground was extreme in that point that day but rather than looking at the Potts horse Paulie maybe the 3rd(Ballykan) who was beaten 100L+ is the to look at? Went off fav and finished 2nd beaten just over 2L though that was on good on his last point.The other horse with point form looks very average to me today.
Very interesting runner anyway,must be a reason for the hood so early,still couldn't go against him here unless Martins is backed.
Plenty of long priced winners in this race in the last 10 years.

as usual a whole load of guessing and fishermen out trawling because they simply do not know about utmost zeal.

yes the form of what would have been an easy win amounts to little...what the performance proved is that he has an engine.

now, not one of the above contributors have seen the horse up close, because if you did you would instantly see that he is tiny, almost a pony, so scope long term nay be limited. size is not everything, lack of it, did not stop one of my all time favourite chasers Viking flagship from making it to the top.

another issue re utmost zeal is that he damaged shoulder muscles the day he fell, I assume they have mended and it is hoped that the bone crunching fall(the screens were up for some time) has not left a psychological scar.

all in all, given the lack of opposition, utmost zeal should win easily, even 4/7 may look good value, as he hits 1.01 close home........2 or 3 years down the line, the odds are firmly against him being a grade 1 horse.

Thanks Maesto,

You're sexy and you know it

Wow....... hope much did the second jockey want it???????????????????? jesus

how??

Haha,just a little bit too much for Utmost Zeal backers, turned into a bit of a sprint.
Fair play for putting him up Pd'A.
Don Cossack was impressive today.

Don Cossack has been a bit of an enigma in his career thus far,Doesn't appear to see out 3 miles,Maybe there were underlying reasons for the last season,Hopefully this season he can fulfill the faith his trainer has always had in him.

*For that

i really rated don cossack in his early races..something went wrong..but his trainer has always said hes a chaser, now it was only a ordinary race today but he did well..i think he'll win his fair share over in ireland..but i'm worried about his form later in the year..as for the giggy boys..paulie has said before they have a poor buying operation...but if they threw enough mud?...

I think Paulie and Keen Leader called the bumper right.

Utmost Zeal ran free and looks no good to me,he will never beat the second again
The second ran green and wasn't given a lot of assistance from the saddle,seemed unfancied beforehand

Don Cossack beat a non staying non fancied Alderwood don't think the form amounts to much.

your proberly right about the form wildman..but on his day hes a decent horse..and his trainer will find races for him.

He'll mop up a few poor graded races in Ireland during the winter id imagine,as I said I'd like to see him fulfil the potential he once showed but I doubt he'll ever be a proper grade 1 horse he's yet to win over 3 miles and anytime he's tried it he looked a blatant non stayer

fair point chelts

Alpha des Obeaux runs in tomorrows opener,won his point well though it was decimated. Ink Master ran a fair race today in the Cheltenham bumper taking the winner out,on a line through Adam du Breteau would suggest he could be a decent recruit.

Sorry Slabster/Wildman et al not been on here since I posted that.

Fair enough about UZ would have expected him to win easier than he did and AJM putting his partner's daughter up on more these days when probably much better options on the jockey front for him (like her brother for instance).

Ink Master ran well coming from that yard Pa - they're normally drilled for their debuts (same with the Robbie Rabbit stable too).  One of our pointers started out there and was sold to Charlie Mann after finishing runner-up at Templemore, they also sold one to Paul Nicholls for a lump that was a nutjob and is now pulling up in Restricted p2p's in Yorkshire.

Disappointed by Alpha DB the other day but sure he'll come good in time.

Thought Allied Victory did it well today,jumped well on the whole and found plenty when asked turning in.

Post "The verdict" Giggy take away Band Of Blood,Desertmore Stream and Real Steel from Fenton

In fairness to Gigginstown they were perfectly entitled to do what they did....they stood by him which is more than can be said for Connell.....ultimately they have no option but to move their horses away....
Time may prove me wrong and it wont be the first time but Gigginstown seem to have incredible faith in Mouse Morris.....I cant for the life of me work out how he is held in such high regard.....
On another note Barry unearthed yet another dud yesterday at Thurles in the bumper.....and then splashed out 150k for a bigger one at the sales.....Gerry Hogan again getting the nod.....good man Gerry.....

Connell knew he was not worth standing by, O'Leary should have had better judgement than stand by a cheat

The same way Danny Mullins wasn't worth standing by.....nice fella is Barry...

Mouse trained a Gold Cup winner for O'Leary and I can't say he has "ruined" any of their horses (that I can think of). Its arguable First Lieutenant could have won a second but for management issues. Whatever you think of Morris he has delivered when it counted and that should count for something.

How much hand-wringing is going on over Fenton? I haven't the foggiest notion but what % of Irish trainers are whispering "there but for the grace of god............"

Plenty of trainers can train  and have trained one or two big horses a season......the difference is when a trainer is entrusted with a lot of talent at the one time.....
Mouse Morris has a good record at the Cheltenham festival .....of that there is no doubt.....his record throughout the year is hardly earth shattering.....

RoyalAcademy - a good friend of mine has a saying "they're all at it I tell ya" (now he wasn't particularly talking about steroids. English,Irish,Chinese trainers ...we don't know the half of it

Wrong thread

Thanks for setting up the thread Cheltenhamroar.

Good start to the year so far for the team, plenty of nice horses winning average races....another nice one in the bumper today.

That Captain Von Trappe looks like a shocking waste of 6 figures, it looked a very weak point he won.
His bumper one Tycoon Prince is interesting today,Moon Racer has really franked the form across channel recently,looked a big immature horse on debut. Up against a fit Mullins one who impressed at Listowel,so a tough looking task.
Albert Bartlett winner Very Wood goes in the beginners,always liked him and looks a chaser,very short today,decent enough rivals in The Job is Right and Ancient Sands, just a watch for me.

Very Wood looked a proper chaser in the making last season,Be interesting how he gets on today could be very smart if campaigned correctly

Noel Meade's year kind of hinges on him in a lot of ways. Surprised he is out so early but as said, he is petrified of Willie Mullins. You'd suspect Briar Hill was the horse to take from the 3 miler. Pipe's thing will probably run in that 50k 3 mile brush hurdle handicap at Haydock in November, usually a very good race won by Diamond Harry (Nick williams), Grands Crus, Dynaste in the past. That will tell us a lot about where the Bartlett form is.

Must be irritating for Meade that Carberry cant take the ride

Done it ok in the end,The further they went the more he was pulling out

didn't impress me tbf chelts?

Could have been more impressive that's for sure but why have them fully wound up at this stage of the season?
i thought he jumped fine for his first time jumping fences and you wouldn't get many harder fences to jump 1st time up
i'd be surprised if he wasn't competitive in Grade 1 chases this season.

I thought he done what was needed. Jumped well, was clever when getting close to one or two. Didn't pull away up the straight, but looked to be dossing rather than labouring. When Cooper gave him a squeeze just before turning in, he came right back on the bridle. Plenty in the tank imo.

^ Agree,NM delighted with that i'd imagine, they(Gigginstown) don't half have a lot of very moderate horses, some shockers in their colours today so far.

Fantastic day for the team.

Delighted for Road to Riches...

Road to Riches done it very nicely,And also Don Cossack,But u do fear for him when they step him up to 3 miles,
Ryanair looks perfect race for him,But im sure they will step him up in trip again,

Not a bad day at the office for team Giggy.
Valseur Lido looks very exciting,And identity thief couldn't have been more impressive in what looked a hot bumper.
Great to see HDB been given a few Giggy horses,An excellent trainer.

Cracking weekend for the team.

Lido looks a star at 5 years of age.

I read on irishracing.com that willie is thinking about the rsa for him, I think that would be a huge mistake. Presumably he is already lining up vautour and un de sceaux for the other two novice chases. It would be a disgrace to run him in that race, he doesn't look a 3 miler to me and he is still very young.

Hopefully O Leary won't put up with the sort of nonsense that went on around un de sceaux last year but not many question King Mullins at the moment. I hope to god they don't run him in the Rsa as it could ruin him and he's a potential superstar as everyone saw today.

Surprised MOL has never given Jessie a horse,Especially when u consider he has had horses with Nolan and Rothwell

Apologies,Should have mentioned the Don,But was out at my match today,missed the racing,Won it well by all accounts,Dug in well,
Would love to see him over 3 miles at least one more time,He seems to be an improved horse this season,Maybe there was something amiss last season,Never seen out his races last season,Anyone know what he'll be aimed at next?

If he were mine id be going the King George with him,If he's ever gonna get 3 miles it'll be around Kempton,That'll be a perfect race for him.

Chelt , its just took him awhile to fill his frame ,smashing horse and he really enjoyed himself today , agree re K G...

Yeah he's always been the apple of Elliots eye WR,He never hid how much he thought of the horse,
As you say,He seems to be the finished article now,Onwards and upwards hopefully.

Followers of the Gigginstown team will want to listen to this. It's an in-depth interview we did with Bryan Cooper last night. Fair play to him, he went into great detail on a lot of horses, despite being smothered with flu.

http://www.theirishfield.ie/the-final-furlong-podcast-weekend-racing-preview-170859/

Cheers Kevin

I am just delighted now that the investment is starting to come through at the highest level.

Don Cossack, No More Heroes and Valseur Lido all very good winners of there respective races the past few weeks. I am thrilled for Michael O Leary.

And elliott well he is just doing a fantastic job.

I see Don Cossack still holds an entry in the KG along with Road To Riches,Come on MOL,Let him take his chance!

According to Elliot in the I.F. on sat , he's heading straight to Chelt for the Ryanair ...

Ridiculous wrapping them in cotton wool

He's won three top races already this season , so not exactly wrapping him in cotton wool , he said they might target another race if they feel he needs it...

Would hardly describe them as top races bar his latest one

A fantastic festive period for team Giggy,Delighted Henry has finally been given a slice of the cake,
What a prospect Identity Thief looks.

Giggy flying

Any idea when Rule the World goes? Cheltenham on the cards?

Cooper is 6/1 with Hills to be the top Cheltenham Festival jockey. This is an astonishingly big price in my opinion considering Gigginstown have the favourites for the Neptune and Albert Bartlett and second favourites for the RSA, JLT, Ryanair, Stayers and Gold Cup. The likes of Gordon Elliott and Tony Martin are also likely to get one two well handicapped in time for the handicaps whereas the big trainers - the likes of which Walsh, Geraghty and Twiston-Davies will be relying upon for rides - do not often have so well handicapped horses bar maybe the odd novice now and again.

Not a sexy enough name with the general public,you can be guaranteed if ruby ap or geraghty were giggys number i that price would be cut in half at the very least.

His presention of a horse to a fence is a joy to watch  , none better atm imo...

Don Poli another really exciting horse.

Tell us More tomorrow.

Unfortuntely I am a year late singing there dues but they have significantly cut a lot of the dead wood and bought more french horses. I am delighted for them

Having a fantastic season to date,Good to see things starting to fall their way.
Some lovely novices this season too as well as bumper horses,But we wont be seeing any in the champion bumper as MOL doesn't like the race as a rule of thumb.

How ironic this thread has been so quiet the year Giggy are flying,Absolutely fantastic season to date with some excellent prospects heading to Cheltenham,Team Giggy have well and truly arrived

They seem to have a stranglehold in this years festival 4 miler anyway

I backed Don poli for the  National Hunt Chs a while back when Willie said after his last run that the 4m would suit him, i think iv done my dough.hope im wrong.

We'd id say if the think he is a gold cup horse I doubt he be running in the 4 miler

TYCOON PRINCE

Been waiting a while for him but glad to see he's taking this proven route. Wins his maiden on Sunday in Galway.

(1.30 Corrib Oil Maiden Hurdle)  Winners in previous years
2014 All Hell Let Loose 5 11-12 B J Cooper 3/10Fav (D T Hughes)
2013 Very Wood 4 11-7 D N Russell 2/11Fav (Noel Meade)
2012 Kilavalley 5 11-12 B J Cooper 10/3 (D T Hughes)
2011 Leave Him Alone 5 11-12 D N Russell 11/8Fav (Kevin O'Sullivan)
2010 Prima Vista 5 11-12 P Carberry 1/2Fav (Noel Meade)
2009 Luska Lad 5 11-12 R Walsh 1/2Fav (John Joseph Hanlon)
2008 Mr Warbucks 5 11-12 B J Geraghty 20/1 (Adrian Maguire)
2007 O'Hana 5 11-7 R Walsh 10/1 (W P Mullins)
2006 Aitmatov 5 11-12 P Carberry 2/1Fav (Noel Meade)
2005 Up Above 5 11-7 A E Lynch 7/1 (S Donohoe)
2004 Justified 5 11-12 J R Barry 7/2 (E Sheehy)
2003 Mariah Rollins 5 11-7 D J Casey 3/1JFav (P A Fahy)
2002 Jolly Moonbeam 5 10-13 B J Geraghty 6/4Fav (Michael Hourigan)
2001 Native Scout 5 11-9 Mr B Hassett 6/1 (Donal Hassett)
2000 Decisive Action 5 12-0 W Slattery 13/8Fav (Andrew Slattery)
1999 Moscow Retreat 6 12-0 N Williamson 5/2Fav (Michael Hourigan)

Runs in P/town tomorrow instead.

You'd nearly get fu ckin emotional looking at all those names, ....... if you were so inclined!

You can add Dreambaby (Hibo Syndicate) WP Mullins Ms K Walsh to that list.

b f 2011 **** (IRE) - Monumental Gesture(Head For Heights) Breeder - Pat Tobin...is a half-sister to Rhinestone Cowboy and Wichita Lineman and Walsh said afterwards:-
"She's a very well bred filly and the pedigree is there. She loves that ground and kept going. She wants a trip and I imagine whatever she does over two miles, she'll do better over two and a half."

GOOD DAY AHEAD FOR GIGGS

*Yea ts

ROI DES FRANCS will need to beat Meade's Monksland 11/8 & Davy's 3/1 Noble Endeavor to justify my 33's for the RSA.

3.20 in Gowran is a crackin race...with 3 good chasing prospects clashing.
Monksland - very smart form over hurdles, made his long awaited comeback over hurdles earlier in the month.
Roi Des Francs - WILL do really well over fences this season
Noble Endeavor - would have made a winning chasing debut at Down Royal but for a mistake at the last. Davy on board now.

Stone Hard dbl

MONKSLAND for workrider & frank60.
NOBLE ENDEAVOR NB for norn iron.
ROI DES FRANCS pour moi.

BoL boys

A year late going for the kg with the don