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db1974
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Assuming Stephen Gallcher doesn't finish in the Top 2 in the Italian Open this coming weekend, we have all 9 automatic positions filled:

Rory McIlroy
Henrik Stenson
Victor Dubuisson
Jamie Donaldson
Sergio Garcia
Justin Rose
Martin Kaymer
Thomas Bjorn
Graeme McDowell (loses out if Gallacher pulls it out of the bag)

So who would you pick as the 3 wildcards

I don't think you could leave out either Poulter or Westwood so IMO that leaves the last spot between Luke Donald or Jimenez or Gallacher

Although Jimenez has a great record in the Ryder Cup I think I'd be leaning towards Donald at this stage.
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Report huddys August 25, 2014 6:54 PM BST
Jimenez is so desperate to play in the Ryder cup id have him instead of Donald who has been very average this year,Jimenez has been playing some lovely golf and will go into the Ryder cup full of confidence,
Report kavvie August 25, 2014 6:58 PM BST
shane lowry.able to handle pressure.young vibrant
Report workrider August 25, 2014 7:02 PM BST
On the other side of the coin , if I could drop one from that list DB 1974 it would be BJORN , erratic to say the least ...
Report Ozymandius August 25, 2014 7:25 PM BST
what kind of course is gleneagles and what sort of player does it suit?
Report Distant View August 25, 2014 8:35 PM BST
Ozy,

These were some notes I had on it last year.

There is a very good course tour on the site as well.

This year the Centenary course will play 7,296 yards and to a Par 72. The course is a parkland layout with a mix of tree lined and exposed areas with numerous water hazards and lots of bunkers. In common with many Jack Nicklaus designs, there is a reasonable amount of room off the tee, but things get more difficult as you get closer to the hole. The reports are that the landing areas are quite generous and there is a good run on the fairways, although the rough us quite penal, with the intermediate measuring the length that primary does on many courses and the primary likely to prove a real test. Therefore with the course playing shorter as a result of the drier conditions, players may adopt a little but more of a conservative strategy from the tee in order to ensure that they are playing approaches from the fairways,

The greens have traditionally played slow, but with new sub-air systems installed on the greens and with prolonged dry weather this summer, they are likely to play faster than usual and should place a little bit more of a premium on putting than may have been the case in the past. Jack Nicklaus always likes to test the second shot of players and it is no surprise that these greens are well guarded meaning that hitting Greens In Regulation (“GIR”) will be vital this week.

The other real defence that the course can have is the wind. Although it is not a links course, it can very often feel that way with strong breezes usually commonplace. The forecast suggests that the wins may not be the factor that it has been in the past, but we could never preview an event at this venue without allowing for the wind factor.

In terms of what is needed to win this week, driving accuracy has traditionally not been a major factor. Of the players that filled the top 5 positions in the past two years, only Thomas Bjorn (winner in 2011) in 2011 ranked inside the Top 20 in terms of driving accuracy. While many of the top finishers ranked high in terms of driving distance in recent years, it is helpful rather than crucial and with the course likely to play shorter in dry conditions, the length off the tee advantage may be reduced. Putting is important but what seems crucial each year is performance on the Par 5s.
Report Distant View August 25, 2014 8:44 PM BST
Gallacher has an excellent record at Gleneagles, but he has a terrible matchplay record between the various events like the Accenture, the Volvo, Seve Trophy (I think) and the Royal Trophy.
Report callitasucit August 25, 2014 8:54 PM BST
Yeah, Gallagher has his pros and cons. Personally I would have him ahead of Donald. Fair chance that he gets in on merit anyway.

Westwood holes more putts in the team format, maybe doesn't feel the pressure as much as in regular event. Poult will obviously get in. I don't know why the media worship him for his Ryder Cup 'greatness'. Personally I think its a disgrace that he can be so consistently brilliant in this event, holing all the crucial putts.....yet cannot do same when it really matters, in majors. Rather than lauding him, I feel it should be questioned.
Report Clerkmore August 25, 2014 9:07 PM BST
I don't think you could leave out either Poulter or Westwood so IMO that leaves the last spot between Luke Donald or Jimenez or Gallacher

Yeah,that's all we need. The Ryder Cup on the line and Westwood with a ten footer to save it or maybe a chip and a putt from 10 yards off the green.

I would not have him anywhere near the team except as vice-captain.
Report Ozymandius August 25, 2014 9:14 PM BST
cheers dv.

I think the true greats perform best on the greatest stage of all; ie the Poulters and the Montys at the Ryder Cup. 

Tigger could never handle the heat of the event (or possibly the lack of paycheck).

Devil
Report callitasucit August 25, 2014 9:28 PM BST
Ha Ha....good bait Oz!

The sad thing is there are those out there that actually believe that to be true! Monty obviously being one, fat cu nt.
Report huddys August 25, 2014 9:31 PM BST
Goodman Callitasucit agree with everything you said,
Report frank60 August 25, 2014 11:54 PM BST
Outside the9 poulter,westwood,donald for me, europe 1.7 on the machine at the min- with this team 1.5.
Report wildmanfromborneo August 26, 2014 10:51 AM BST
Ryder Cup should always be played on a links course when possible but never is.

I am still ashamed we gave our Ryder Cup to the K Club.
Report Arklearkle August 26, 2014 6:53 PM BST
WM I am not certain that we have a links course which could handle the Ryder cup crowds considering that there are only four holes in play at any one time on the Friday and Saturday.
Report db1974 August 31, 2014 6:55 PM BST
Gallagher gave it a great go today with a 65 in the last round and finished 3rd, just 1 shot off automatic qualification for the team and has boosted his chances of a WC anyway. Fair play to him.
Report db1974 August 31, 2014 6:56 PM BST
Gallacher (stoopid autocorrect)
Report callitasucit August 31, 2014 6:59 PM BST
Absolute certainty to get in.
Report Ozymandius August 31, 2014 7:10 PM BST
I hope Monty will be ok with not being the only Scot involved.
Report ACE JACK DOUBLE SUITED September 2, 2014 12:05 PM BST
We'll know soon enough anyway but surely it will be Westwood Poulter and Gallacher
Report db1974 September 2, 2014 12:41 PM BST
Westwood, Poulter, & Gallacher it is then

I wonder how much Gallacher's performance at the weekend impacted on McGinley's decision
Report frank60 September 2, 2014 1:03 PM BST
Nice to have 2 scots in the team   giving the ryder cup will be held in Scotland,it will help to bring even bigger crowds to gleneagles,
Report callitasucit September 2, 2014 1:05 PM BST
Say it mattered quite a bit db. Personally I think he deserved in anyway, in front of all the other 3, but McGinley probably needed that final push to justify giving Donald the bad news.
Report Clerkmore September 2, 2014 2:06 PM BST
It is an absolute disgrace that Westwood has been picked instead of Donald. There has been a clique in European Golf for years surrounding the Ryder Cup involving Mark James, Torrance, Bjorn, Westwood etc. People like Faldo, Casey, Donald were not part of it. While Donald, Gallacher, Molinari and Luiten were playing at the weekend trying to catch the captain's eye, Westwood had his fat @rse parked at home. Why? Because he knew he was in. Didn't Sam Torrance say two months ago that McGinley should give Westwood a pick so that he would not have to worry about making the team?

Both Donald and Westwood are out of form. However, Donald is higher in the World Golf rankings 30 to 38. He has a better Ryder Cup record. He is an excellent foursomes player. He could be played on all 5 sessions. Westwood's short game will probably mean that he won't play in foursomes or, if he does on the first day, he probably won't on the second. And be honest, if it gets down to a close match on the Sunday, would you want Westwood playing in a key match?
Report freddiek September 2, 2014 2:21 PM BST
Westwood is just better than Donald and deserves the nod over him. He has a huge amount of Ryder experience, going back to the 90s for jaysus sake.
Report Clerkmore September 2, 2014 2:38 PM BST
And your logic for that remark is what? The World Golf Rankings don't lie.
Report Snookerpunter September 2, 2014 2:52 PM BST
I would have probably gone with Donald over WW myself. Name seems to have precedent over current form for the selection for this event. To be honest, in their current form, neither should have been considered. 

But I wouldn't be basing my decision on World Golf Rankings, for they do lie.
Report freddiek September 2, 2014 2:58 PM BST
Luke Donald got to world no. 1 despite never looking like winning a major at least in my memory. Westwood has had about a dozen chances and has always been the better player. i'd be critical of him but in a choice between the 2 it has to be Lee imo.
Report Kelly September 2, 2014 3:15 PM BST
3 picks were predicted by most of us , no surprise really .  In Ryder Cup terms Westwood has probaly had greater influence than Donald , good partnership with Sergio as I recall .

Tom will be looking at Pauls picks , mildly cursing that his job is not going to be so easy , or productive hopefully --although I like Tom , always have .
Report Clerkmore September 2, 2014 4:34 PM BST
Tom will be looking at Paul's picks and saying "We've got a better chance now!"
Report Clerkmore September 2, 2014 4:45 PM BST
Kelly, Westwood and Donald have exactly the same record with Garcia in Ryder Cup, 5-1.
Report Kelly September 2, 2014 4:50 PM BST
I honestly dont think the Yanks give a lot of worry to whether they win the Ryder Cup or not .  Individually their players have other things to ponder , like where they will invest their serious income , but their top 30 are getting a phenomenal living / income without having to travel the planet .  Gleneagles will be akin to a holiday for them , even if only 2 turned up for the preview night . And its a lovely place for a holiday as long as rain and mist dont interfere unduly .

Donald for Westwood would not have unduly assisted the European effort , the same comment might have applied if it had been the other way about .  Gallacher deserves his spot , you could argue that the other 3 "possibles" might have shown up more in Europe just to fly the flag so to speak .

Bradley the only one I would be sure of , pick and playing wise .  I think he cares about the outcome too , not a comment I think will apply 100% to all of his team mates .
Report Clerkmore September 2, 2014 5:05 PM BST
I think that any team captained by Tom Watson will be competitive, don't worry about that.
Report Kelly September 2, 2014 5:14 PM BST
Fortunately for Europe , Tom cant play . Tom very competitive and loves Scotland , good pick by the Americans .  Its the players I have misgivings about though , a lot of them dont tough it out when the chips are down , top 10 always pays well , keeps the wolf well away from the door .

Horshel last night hit a terrible shot towards ( not onto ) the 18th , and smiled !  Should have wanted to break his club or hit himself . Too easy money , few hungry fighters .
Report frank60 September 2, 2014 5:28 PM BST
iWould prefair Donald myself,but 1.68 here is a good bet [IT must be the lowest price ever for europe to win]
Report Kelly September 2, 2014 5:38 PM BST
Think Europe will win , frank60 , I have a free bet somewhere on the Ryder Cup , think its with PP . But it might be better doing it on the non winner markets if they allow it .
Report callitasucit September 2, 2014 10:26 PM BST
I said the same to the missus about Horschel, Kelly. I hadn't him backed, but was still disgusted by his reaction. Tiger probably would have beheaded someone with the flying club.

The shot was horrific, the reaction worse.
Report STELLAR MANIPULATOR September 2, 2014 10:27 PM BST
Am stunned that Donald with his exemplary Ryder Cup record was not picked with three players ranked below him in the OGWR getting the nod instead. His play has declined this year but no worse than Poulter or Westwood and the journeyman Gallacher has a terrible singles record in all formats. The old adage applies , form is temporary , class is permanent and the political appointment of a Scot and a Euro tour loyalist could cost Europe the Ryder Cup. Just checked the odds on Top European and Gallacher is rank outsider at 25/1 , does anyone think you would get those odds on Donald if he was chosen ?
Report callitasucit September 2, 2014 11:03 PM BST
Its still right that he was chosen. He was 9th in the list, ahead of any other possible pick. He has played better than WW, Luke or Poulter all year. He has won this year, defending which has added pressure. He has a super record at Gleneagles, and maybe it isn't important, but he's the homeboy, and it could be a factor. Apart from his meaningless win in Asia, its been a long time since Luke has delivered, or been near his best. Form may be temporary, but sometimes temporary becomes permanent.

I plan on backing Europe, and I would be in no way put off by Gallacher making the team.
Report STELLAR MANIPULATOR September 2, 2014 11:36 PM BST
Everything you say is correct and if the format was strokeplay , I couldn't knock Gallacher's selection but the format is matchplay and his record in matchplay singles is 0-7 as listed hereunder and his foursomes/fourball record in team format is middling at best.

Career Singles Record: 0-7
Event    Course  Match   Result
2014 Eurasia Cup      Glenmarie Golf and Country Club             Siddikur Rahman def. Stephen Gallacher              4 and 3
2014 WGC-Match Play   Dove Mountain                               Ernie Els def. Stephen Gallacher                19 holes
2013 Royal Trophy     Dragon Lake Golf Club                       Thongchai Jaidee def. Stephen Gallacher              4 and 2
2013 Seve Trophy      Golf de Saint-Nom-la-Breteche               Matteo Manassero def. Stephen Gallacher         3 and 2
2013 Volvo World Match Play     Thracian Cliffs                   Chris Wood def. Stephen Gallacher         2 and 1
2013 Volvo World Match Play     Thracian Cliffs                   Graeme McDowell def. Stephen Gallacher          4 and 2
2013 WGC-Match Play     Dove Mountain                             Ian Poulter def. Stephen Gallacher          2 and 1
Report Kelly September 3, 2014 2:09 AM BST
Match play is a different ball game from stroke play .  Philip Price beat Phil the one time they met .  Brian Barnes beat Jack twice in one day I think .  Loads of people I suspect have beaten Tiger ( plus partner sometimes) who wouldn't finish within 10 shots of him over 4 days .

Gallachers record does not read well , but there are other factors at work possibly . The fact that he is a local boy ups the interest and the octane level support wise . Plus his play all season has deserved selection , and he played on OUR tour mostly , all that counts for something .  World rankings are skewed towards USA performance  , and the hype we get from commentators / sponsors / TV coverage over there sometimes clouds reality .

Of our 12 he will be the one I want most to do well , for his own sake if not just for the team effort .  Hope he delivers !
Report Clerkmore September 3, 2014 3:19 PM BST
You could not quibble about Gallacher getting a pick. He deserved it on his play this year and might rise to the occasion in his native land. It might be a foreign country by then.
Report Kelly September 3, 2014 6:50 PM BST
Might be clerkmore !  Is there betting on the result on here ? The referendum I mean .
Report paulie wallnuts September 3, 2014 6:59 PM BST
who gives a fukk about the ryder cup anymore......what an absolute load of bolloxxx.....golf is a singles game.....nothing whatsoever to do with any team or group.....the same as tennis is .....look at the Davis Cup for example.....its given the  respect it deserves....none.....
The Ryder Cup is a chance for fellas to grab the limelight that aren't worth a carrot....Christy O Connor Poulter Des Smyth Jimenez .....them kind of plugs.....
The yanks couldn't give a Shiite about playing in it.....you only have to look at Woods Mickelson and many others to see that they consider it a chore.....
Report Clerkmore September 4, 2014 9:33 PM BST
Yes, Kelly, on the Politics "Sport". No 1.25 £1,500 there Yes 4.8.
Report Kelly September 4, 2014 10:07 PM BST
Yeah found it , fair bit bet on it , over 3 million ( less 50% ) . Would have priced it up a bit different myself , nearly every Scot I know is anti english , but maybe thats not the question . Wouldn't back at 1.27 though  , more inclined to throw a few bob on at the 4.7 , just for a bit of interest .
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