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18 Aug 14
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When you consider the owners of Clondaw Warrior brave indeed.
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The third member is obviously all in.
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Good man Borneo!
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Did you break your self imposed laying ban?
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welldone Wildman..
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I should out of badness give you the figure I laid it for but I'm not that cruel.
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 Ah go on! |
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Haven't a clue who you are talking about but no matter,he is all out now, don't think P S did much wrong maybe could have kicked earlier,awkward head with Clondaw for much of the early part.
Lovely lay if you did that. Full sure Willowing was up in the 6.10,opened 1.05 in photo,stayed for a while and went 1.2ish again stayed and the few seconds before it was announced went into freefall towards evens,burnt fingers there as well. Learned my own lessons with photos a long time ago. |
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I thought Willowing won handy.
The all in reference was a clue. |
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I hope this thread isn't expanding on the insinuations you previously made?
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The third member not the first and 'twas you made the allegations.
I seem to be alone in thinking he is not only a great jockey,a great pundit but a likeable fellow,maybe its his straight talking. |
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hell cat Maggie for me in 7.40..my only bet ..
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Good man Tony.
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as you know pa..only a small bet..just my luck..a decent bet and it would of been beat with my luck!!
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A winner is a winner and a decent price too,well done Tony.
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yes im gratefull Wildman..
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Kasper or the supermarket dynasty?
WD Tony 57 |
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Neither.
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Fancy Klepht here,question marks over the first two in the market.
Klephts hurdle form the equal of Waaheb and getting four pound. |
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You hardly greened up at 1.8 (liquidity was too thin for a punter of your size anyhow but decent amounts at evens).
I don't know who the fifth member of the syndicate is but I find it a tad strange that the only motive that was cited for the lay was the ownership structure when you consider that you proclaim at least one member to be strong willed and of immense ethical integrity. I could understand a lay on pure value grounds(1/4) taking into account the reduction in trip,the expeditious nature of running under the mandatory penalty and the quality of the opposition at Tramore. Would you deny that your primary motivation for your astute lay was your knowledge of the undivulged owner? |
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The name of the syndicate is significant.
I laid it at 1.4 and 1.39 and down,seemed crazy odds on to me back in trip and with the added danger of an under pressure connection. I would never green out unless I thought the horse was a doubtful stayer,my mistake in that race was not backing Clara McCloud as I liked neither of the joint favourites. |
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Do you not see my point though that if you felt the other influential members of the syndicate were so strong willed and morally sound, should the under-pressure connection theory then become redundant?Have you not contradicted yourself?
It is noticeable that you don't deny that your cynicism of the other member was the primary motivation of the lay. |
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I don't think he is a member of that syndicate as I said look at the syndicates name.
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he is trying to explain to you that "the wife" of a top jumps jockey is the part owner, if you go to healy racing and check out the pics from tramore, all is explained.
2/9 on an ordinary animal in a handicap in Ireland, only for the needy and greedy surely.....is that the second very short one to be beaten at this track in the last few years...did stack have a 1/4 shot turned over having previously sluiced in at wexford?. |
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We are all aware that Ruby,Gillian,David Casey and his wife are members of the syndicate (it was reported on a few websites over the weekend and Gillian's name is on the syndicate as agent).We had been debating Wildman's cynicism regarding the fifth member but now he seems to be contradicting himself again (recent post compared to opening posts) by stating that he is not sure if he is a member of the syndicate at all.
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I wasn't aware of that,I thought the syndicate had three members.
You want to see contradiction because you are blinded by bias but its not there. |
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clondaw warrior has one of the worst pedigrees you are likely to find for a horse running on the flat, wouldnt call the people backing
that one brave, completely stupid would be closer to the truth, so it seems grandma dotty was well in at the weights down from 76 to 57. |
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I don't think I have been biased at all on this thread and genuinely congratulated you on an astute lay.
However I do feel you have contradicted yourself on this thread on a couple of occasions but I am open to correction. The simplest example is the following statements. "Brave Men Betting Those Odds,When you consider the owners of Clondaw Warrior brave indeed." "The third member is obviously all in." And then later on the thread "I don't think he is a member of that syndicate" |
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Typical bar stool talk from wilddan......you can picture him giving it fong last night in his local.....talking out the side of his mouth.....with a few local half wits hanging off every word right alongside him.....
The horse may have been beaten but the defeat had fukk all whatsoever to do with who owned him..... As keen leader pointed out the same thing happened about 4 years ago with a horse of Stacks.....winning in Wexford on a Saturday and getting rolled at 4 on in Roscommon 2 days later..... The horse was ridden by the best jockey in the game and trained by the best trainer......came to win its race but ultimately fizzled out.....the quick race obviously took its toll.....it took enough of an edge off him to get it beaten.....that's the reality of it.....nothing at all to do with the cryptic bollox talk that dan is rambling about..... Anybody who was in Tramore will know who he is referring to.....he was in the parade ring....so its hardly a secret..... |
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They often say Ireland is a nation of begrudgers, wildman seems to take great pleasure living up to the image !!!!
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Not sure I fully follow this thread, as it is cloaked in the usual smarmy 'in the know' barstoooler manner.
Boreno goes all in on a hoss based on the make-up of the ownership and then it turns out the actual makeup of the syndicate was different to what he thought? I wasn't even sure from the opening posts that he had layed it. Then it loses and it turns out he was 'all in'. I hope he let his buddies on here know in advance of this monster coup and that several collected! |
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The usual suspects showing their inability to follow a thread,nowhere do I say I was all in nowhere.
Paulie Wallnuts gives a fair résumé of what happened but my thinking was done before the race. Its not unreasonable to look at all angles when a horse is odds on,that was huge odds on so the worry about a going day is fair. If a green and gold horse is odds on do we factor in the owner,of course we do. Paulie seems to have been brought to Tramore,now if Rocketfingers was there as well and they ventured into the betting ring and had a bet the nervousness would kick in,doubt if the Tramore Ilie Nastase could cope. |
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2/9 in a 14horse handicap ; i wonder in which decade that last happened.
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But your thinking is a load of ballooney.....ok the horse got beaten....but it had zero to do with anybody owning it.....what kind of operation do you think Mullins is running here.....do you honestly think that Pat Smullen is going to bother with the nonsense you are alluding to.....do you think that the top trainer in the land is going to pull one up for somebody who has a part share in a horse that was given away for nothing.....
You are living in looloo land..... a complete fantasist.... |
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That would be my take on it, Paulie.
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Two years ago and again in Roscommon Time Of My Life was beaten at 2/9 in a handicap.
Paulie we know that now and a few minutes before the off we knew because of the weight of money for it,I was then hoping for the drop back in trip to work for me. Would you bet odds on a green and gold horse in a Mickey Mouse Roscommon handicap worth less than six grand to the winner. Would you bet odds on a Harry Findlay owned horse in similar circumstances. Would you bet odds on a horse trained in Ballingarry in those circumstances. Bloody sure you wouldn't. |
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Hard to please some on here,the thread title says "Brave men betting those odds",the horse was backed from memory when the post went up from 1.43 to 1.25 approx, hindsight wonderful but it was crazy in a handicap.(i had no bet in the race but at that price surely should have been at least a little on.)
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I myself wouldn't back any horse at 2/9.....no matter who owned it.....its not part of my overall plan betting those prices.....
The thing is you said that they were brave men indeed when you consider the owners of Clondaw Warrior......that's what you said.....that has nothing to do with green and gold....harry Findlay....or Ballingarry....none of those people have anything to do with this animal.....nothing whatsoever.... Basically what you wanted to do was let people know that you knew who the third party was.....and have some sort of cryptic quiz along the way.....Anybody who watched the racing on ATR on Saturday night would have gained that information..... |
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Stop now Pa.....the title "brave men betting these odds" was fine without being qualified.....with the snide" when you consider the owners of clondaw warrior brave indeed".......its aload of bollox as usual.....and you know it is too.....
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It's a comparison.
You don't back horses owned by people who make their living gambling,ask Gary OBrien. |