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J.R,
Given the importance that a couple of pound weight can make to a hoss, is there a product to encourage hosses to empty their bowels prior to racing? Or perhaps there is a manual stimulation method?
Thanks
Given the importance that a couple of pound weight can make to a hoss, is there a product to encourage hosses to empty their bowels prior to racing? Or perhaps there is a manual stimulation method?
Thanks
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Serious responses only please.
My preliminary research indicates that a hoss defecates around 50 pounds per day.
And that an average hoss goes on average 8 times a day. So approx 6.25 pounds per manuring.
If you could empty a hoss prematurely of say two dungings (sorry am unsure about the correct technical term here) prior to racing would you not be almost a stone in hand?
My preliminary research indicates that a hoss defecates around 50 pounds per day.
And that an average hoss goes on average 8 times a day. So approx 6.25 pounds per manuring.
If you could empty a hoss prematurely of say two dungings (sorry am unsure about the correct technical term here) prior to racing would you not be almost a stone in hand?
This is a serious question indeed.
I've always been satisfied to see one of my fancies have a good dump in the parade ring or behind the gate.
Thank goodness , I say to myself, that the poor beast doesn't have to tote that load along for the guts of a mile or more...plus the only thing it's likely to be thinking about in the last few furlongs might be 'when am I going to get the chance to go to the equine loo'? ...which might be deemed a negative.
As against that ,the thought of an urgent need to excrete might make it run even faster to get to the post-race situation when the need might be more expeditiously accomplished...which could be a positive.
This raises an ancillary question -can a horse let fly when at full gallop anyway ? If so -that takes care of that.
Also -if a galloping bowel motion is possible and the animal should happen to be near the front -the consequences for pursuing rivals could be dire indeed as it can't be easy to run straight at full tilt if your visage is being bombarded by flying turds. Similarly, jockeys could be seriously discommoded by any such material coming at them at speed.
We await further illuminating comments on these issues from those most worthy to expound.
I've always been satisfied to see one of my fancies have a good dump in the parade ring or behind the gate.
Thank goodness , I say to myself, that the poor beast doesn't have to tote that load along for the guts of a mile or more...plus the only thing it's likely to be thinking about in the last few furlongs might be 'when am I going to get the chance to go to the equine loo'? ...which might be deemed a negative.
As against that ,the thought of an urgent need to excrete might make it run even faster to get to the post-race situation when the need might be more expeditiously accomplished...which could be a positive.
This raises an ancillary question -can a horse let fly when at full gallop anyway ? If so -that takes care of that.
Also -if a galloping bowel motion is possible and the animal should happen to be near the front -the consequences for pursuing rivals could be dire indeed as it can't be easy to run straight at full tilt if your visage is being bombarded by flying turds. Similarly, jockeys could be seriously discommoded by any such material coming at them at speed.
We await further illuminating comments on these issues from those most worthy to expound.
wow..and I thought there was no kickback in ireland
Unfortunately I cannot read Wonky's posts. I know he mucked out for a period at the National Stud, so I may be missing out on some specialist input here.
On the other hand, he may just have made a lazy, obvious and predictable joke. My money is on the latter.
On the other hand, he may just have made a lazy, obvious and predictable joke. My money is on the latter.
The fact that they do not let fly in races (as they do on the gallops) suggests that their bowels may well have been somehow emptied pre-race.
Horses don't sh@t while galloping or racing, Those that do are as rare as rocking horse sh@t.
Also horses aren't fed the morning of a race like they are on usual days so there would be less need to void their bowels.
What's your angle here Ozy ?
Do you want us all talking sh@t or do you actually think there's some weight angle to be exploited here ?
Also horses aren't fed the morning of a race like they are on usual days so there would be less need to void their bowels.
What's your angle here Ozy ?
Do you want us all talking sh@t or do you actually think there's some weight angle to be exploited here ?
Interesting, gf.
There is quite a bit of weight involved and what with weight being key...I thought it was a interesting subject to explore further.
What would a typical horse eat on the morning of a race? And would the horse bowel movements not be partially connected to its diet the day before?
I have read that a horse will not urinate when stressed which presumably is why you see so few of them peeing at the track.
There is quite a bit of weight involved and what with weight being key...I thought it was a interesting subject to explore further.
What would a typical horse eat on the morning of a race? And would the horse bowel movements not be partially connected to its diet the day before?
I have read that a horse will not urinate when stressed which presumably is why you see so few of them peeing at the track.
Hard to believe this guy once told us his Dad had horses ...Oh I nearly forgot , didn't he tell Wildmanfromborneo recently he'd once legged up LESTER ...A comedian if ever there was one....This thread gives a whole new meaning to , they've weighed in.....
Do me the favour of not commenting on my threads pleas Wonks. If I want insight on the inner workings of a thoroughbred, I do not seek my answers in Tallaght.
Ozy we are talking about near half a ton of animal and you are wondering if a few extra pounds of waste carried internally is a angle to be exploited !!! The biggest problem they have with excess sh@t is who is booked to ride usually more than anything else.
Typical feed varies from yard to yard(Feed to the workload rule of thumb), I'm used to doing a bowl of feed early(1 scoop cubes/1 scoop coarse, Quite heavy but suitable for those in full time training) followed by slab of haylage within 3 hours or after horse has worked, Same for evening stables but does vary from horse to horse on haylage as some eat more than others(Hungry horses will eat bedding so you just give them some extra hay although constant eating of straw can point you to stomach problems and can cause compaction colic so if you ever have this problem consider calling a vet or bedding them on paper)
Of course you can add supplements as some will for a variety of reasons(Joints/calcium levels/Gastric problems ect ect)
Anyway on racedays you'd half everything, Trust me they sh@t as fast as they eat so it's never a problem feeding the day before making your horse heavier than it should be.
As for can't pee when scared I have no experience of this, Let me know when you're going to remove me from your net, Cheers
Typical feed varies from yard to yard(Feed to the workload rule of thumb), I'm used to doing a bowl of feed early(1 scoop cubes/1 scoop coarse, Quite heavy but suitable for those in full time training) followed by slab of haylage within 3 hours or after horse has worked, Same for evening stables but does vary from horse to horse on haylage as some eat more than others(Hungry horses will eat bedding so you just give them some extra hay although constant eating of straw can point you to stomach problems and can cause compaction colic so if you ever have this problem consider calling a vet or bedding them on paper)
Of course you can add supplements as some will for a variety of reasons(Joints/calcium levels/Gastric problems ect ect)
Anyway on racedays you'd half everything, Trust me they sh@t as fast as they eat so it's never a problem feeding the day before making your horse heavier than it should be.
As for can't pee when scared I have no experience of this, Let me know when you're going to remove me from your net, Cheers
Well I didn't fancy wet wet wet tonight so had a night off, Hope you're well Tony.
This is not a net, gf, and its great to hear from some who clearly works with horses.
Ozy we are talking about near half a ton of animal and you are wondering if a few extra pounds of waste carried internally is a angle to be exploited
Why, then, if Joseph is a pound overweight, are the punters are apoplectic? It's nether here nor there when compared to what may or may not be in storage in the horse's upper anus.
Ozy we are talking about near half a ton of animal and you are wondering if a few extra pounds of waste carried internally is a angle to be exploited
Why, then, if Joseph is a pound overweight, are the punters are apoplectic? It's nether here nor there when compared to what may or may not be in storage in the horse's upper anus.
yes thanks mate..could do with a few winners..stinking atm tbh...
The biggest problem they have with excess sh@t is who is booked to ride usually more than anything else. brilliant Gut...
brilliant Gut...
I'd say that's because a punter is reading form & considering weight/lengths in their bet rather than any waste carried inside the horse.
another one beat..beckworth star..what ever I touch ..turns to ****..getting back on to the subject as it were...
i bkd it too tony.i thought jock was easy enuf on it going into the last..he mite have held on if he pinged it
I think my original point stands gf.
Ok, so diet is regulated on morning of race but that is not exactly a scientific approach to cleansing the colon. I accept that you don't want to dehydrate the horse through a laxative, but if there was a method (chemical or some sort of equine pooper scooper anal implement(assuming digital stimulation wouldn't work, it might!)) then you could easily unburden the hoss of a few extra useless pounds.
Ok, so diet is regulated on morning of race but that is not exactly a scientific approach to cleansing the colon. I accept that you don't want to dehydrate the horse through a laxative, but if there was a method (chemical or some sort of equine pooper scooper anal implement(assuming digital stimulation wouldn't work, it might!)) then you could easily unburden the hoss of a few extra useless pounds.
ffs someone call the men in white coats Norman has lost it bigtime.....
I doubt colonic irrigation could aid a badly handicapped horse. If I have one that isn't regular I take it for a spin in the horse box(Works everytime), if that doesn't work the vet gets called out as a non regular horse is usually a early sign of colic.
tbf..great bit of info from gut on the reality and day to day life with horses..
Not as silly a thread as you might think tbf....i once attended a seminar on nutrition which touched on this subject....the chap holding court had a PHD to his name so you're in good company Ozy...
I wasn't convinced tbh...i would give a early morning feed on race day but no hay, and some people i know would cut down on hay intake the day before for reasons not too far removed from
the op's original point but obviously completely empting the gut wouldn't be that desirable.....like driving a car with no petrol.
I wasn't convinced tbh...i would give a early morning feed on race day but no hay, and some people i know would cut down on hay intake the day before for reasons not too far removed from
the op's original point but obviously completely empting the gut wouldn't be that desirable.....like driving a car with no petrol.
Hartley is right its not silly.
Look at what we know,we know man empties his bowel when nervous this goes back to a time when danger meant being pursued by a predator,so the bowel emptying enabled man to run faster,this seems to me the thrust of Ozymandius question.
The question is half answered by the fact horses are fed less on a racing day.
We also all know the difference between a stallions stable and a mares.
Rocketfingers famously found himself on a Glentoran bus,got nervous its still being cleaned out.
Paulie Wallnuts gets brought to the odd race meeting,has a bet with the inevitable consequences,which is why he inspects every Ilie Nastase when he goes racing.
Paulie will be the Chairmen of the forums Coprophiliac society,Ozymandius the treasurer courtesy of he manual stimulation line in he opening post.
Look at what we know,we know man empties his bowel when nervous this goes back to a time when danger meant being pursued by a predator,so the bowel emptying enabled man to run faster,this seems to me the thrust of Ozymandius question.
The question is half answered by the fact horses are fed less on a racing day.
We also all know the difference between a stallions stable and a mares.
Rocketfingers famously found himself on a Glentoran bus,got nervous its still being cleaned out.
Paulie Wallnuts gets brought to the odd race meeting,has a bet with the inevitable consequences,which is why he inspects every Ilie Nastase when he goes racing.
Paulie will be the Chairmen of the forums Coprophiliac society,Ozymandius the treasurer courtesy of he manual stimulation line in he opening post.
Well, several posters poo poo'd the concept. One wonders if Wonks has actually spent any time around hosses at all?
Thanks, Hartley. Was not proposing the colon be emptied in its entirety but rather divested of already processed matter.
Thanks, Hartley. Was not proposing the colon be emptied in its entirety but rather divested of already processed matter.
Why don't we go the hog Norman , and make sure they have a hit and miss before heading off to the races ...
Wonks, please stick to non technical threads.
Gut Feeling and Hartley are the go to men on all things hoss.
Gut Feeling and Hartley are the go to men on all things hoss.
Norman , another load of **** from you , why am I not surprised that YOU would be the one interested in BACK PASSAGES....
A returned American emigrant was in Borrisokane many years ago and drawled out " gee this is some one horse town "
He got this classic response from the local road sweeper " you wouldn't say that if you had my job "
He got this classic response from the local road sweeper " you wouldn't say that if you had my job "
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