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06 May 14
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Thanks to anybody who may help in advance.....I just want to know out of interest what happened need to know yesterday in the hunters chase at down royal......well I know what happened it really.....but id like to know the official line....
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"The Turf Club" give steward reports but not sure that will be there in the context you are asking.
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There will have to be some form of enquiry into its running pa.....a horse goes from evens out to bigger than 2/1 in a race with a handful of runners....is dropped out last....being slapped down the neck after a mile.....being whipped at half way and is pulled up shortly afterwards.....
Surely they will need some form of explanation..... |
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There was no enquiry,should have been alright.
It should all be in the form book,that used to be the case although few seem to bother with the form book anymore isint it all on computer. |
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Well in the report on that site it states,The turf club veterinary officer examined Need To know at the request of the stewards and reported the animal to be CLINICALLY ABNORMAL.Samples were taken for analysis.
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End of thread....
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How is it the end of thread ya ginitt.....it shouldn't be the end of the matter.....it was the most lack lustre display ive seen from any favourite in years.....and the huge drift told its own story....First of all the horse finished abnormal....the samples haven't been tested.....and the people who laid it heavily should be asked why they did so.....
So how is that the end of thread.... Thanks to pa for his help by the way.... |
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http://www.turfclub.ie/web/index.php?option=com_postrace&Itemid=391
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Thanks again....
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You wanted to know [just out of interest
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JR with respect think it is a fair question, that the horse ran a stinker after a huge drift,the fact the horse didn't come back sound does't answer it and begs a more obvious question.
Not for a minute saying anything untoward happened and would wait till the results of the samples are known myself. The "clinically abnormal" expression is one that is heard a lot, won,t pretend to understand that one fully but my impression of it is it is just an expression used when a horse doesn't come back right normally through lameness or a discharge through the nostrils most commonly,open to correction with the last part as i know at least one on the thread would have a lot better idea on that than me. |
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I'd imagine that the drift was because the horse was encountering firm ground for the first time Pa....all the horses form is on soft.....not that it takes a lot of money for a horse to drift in a hunters chase at down royal.
The firm ground might also account for the horse being found clinically abnormal.......as you've said could be a number of causes....i doubt the samples will tell you much tbf. |
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Id imagine the drift had fukk all to do with the firm ground......and it takes a lot of money to be risked on any horse to force it from even money out to 2/1 and bigger.....no matter what kind of race it is....
The samples may not tell us much who knows.....but why wasn't the jockey asked for his tuppence worth.....did he think it was the ground....or did he feel the horse was lifeless....whatever the case.... The reason being is because the people that run the sport don't have a clue....and don't care either..... They just go through the motions making idiotic decisions one after another...... Some good ones.....two national hunt metings on Friday....and all flat on Saturday..... Last sunday 2 flat meetings clashing..... only the other day Dundalk and kilbeggan on the same evening.....with a blank day 2 days previous.... I suppose the fella that needs 2 seats to sit his big bottom down is overseeing all these beauties.... |
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The drift had nothing to do with the firm ground!....
.....if you can't read form Paulie why bother reading anything else. |
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paulie, I told you not to be backing those Even money shorties.....quickest way to the poorhouse. you'll never learn.For someone as clued in as yourself I was surprised you didn't know where to find the Turf Club website. Think I found what you are looking for below. Anyway, I have a good E/W bet for Fairyhouse, I'll put it up later.
Downroyal 098F0 Newmac Contracts Ltd. Hunters S'chase The Turf Club Veterinary Officer examined paulie wallnuts, trained by dj876, at the request of the Stewards and reported the animal to be clinically abnormal. Samples were taken for analysis.  |
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Date Course Conditions Race Result Jockey OR
05May14 Dow 23GF 4y+ S(7K) 11-1[15/8F] pulled up in race won by Carmels Boy Mr B O'Neill 21Apr14 Cor 24Y 5y+ S(9K) 11-11[10/1] 4th of 16, 3.63L behind Winter Magic Mr B O'Neill 06Apr14 Fai 25S 5y+ S(8K) 10-13[10/1] 6th of 12, 19.25L behind Hix Fix Mr J J Burke 02Mar14 Tin 24SH 4y+ Point to Point 12-2[5/4JFF] 1st of 5, 6L to One Cool Clarkson B O'Neill 16Feb14 Pun 24H 4y+ Point to Point 12-2[10/3] 8th of 10, 44.50L behind Davyroy B O'Neill 02Feb14 Bel 24S 4y+ Point to Point 12-2[3/1] 2nd of 6, 2L behind Driftashore B O'Neill 19Jan14 Bal 24YS 6y Point to Point 12-2[4/1] 1st of 16, 3L to The Boss's Dream B O'Neill 29Dec13 Dro 24SH 5y Point to Point 12-2[3/1] 4th of 14, 15.75L behind Shantou Bob B O'Neill 29Oct12 Gle 24G 4y Point to Point 11-7[7/2] 4th of 12, 13.00L behind Famousandfearless J J Codd Not rocket science is it? |
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Very good The Gotchee. |
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So JR.....the ground was described by harry Kelly as having a little juice in it.....and by Robert Power as good.....certainly not firm.....as you describe it.....it was by definite article whos progeny are suited by quickish conditions....it had never been tried on this surface so there is no evidence whatsoever to say it was going to be inconvenienced....
So how come the huge drift.....and how come the jockey wasn't quizzed.......ya can give me your answers when your ready.... |
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paulie have a look at the dam, she needed soft ground.
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gobshee....the mare won on all types of ground including both good to yielding and heavy.......who says she needed soft ground....you?....
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Just watched it quickly, Changing its legs a fair bit and unable to lay up with a slow pace.
Didn't enjoy the going and surely a virus will be the reason given, Would've been scoped by vet for signs of internal bleeding and legs would have been checked for any soreness if they thought the ground was the issue, If neither of these showed anything and there was no blood present on nose then a sample will be taken and sent away, Although it could just be a dog. Correct Pa clinically abnormal is a roundabout way of saying "F@ck Knows" |
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Where did the mare win on Good to Yielding paulie?
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The official going was good to Firm the only two occasions the horse won was on soft and soft to heavy....what the horse is by is irrelevant.....it's a divisive subject anyway certainly
not an exact science.....whether a horse handles certain conditions is mostly down to confirmation which can be passed on from the stallion or the mare, then you have to take into account conformation faults....which may stop horses performing on certain types of ground. The jockey wasn't 'quizzed' because the stewards were satisfied that there was a reason for the poor run i.e clinically abnormal, which in my experience usually involves the horses heart rate. Despite what what you think Paulie a horse doesn't have to be laid to drift.......if no fcker wants to back them they will drift!......looking at the horses form who in their right mind would take anything close to evens ffs.... |
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The Gotchee
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gobshee.....according to irish racing.com....it won a 20k chase in fairyhouse April 2006 on good to yielding......
JR......how can the stewards be satisfied the reason for the poor run.....when nobody knows what clinically abnormal means....its similar to a mechanic wondering what is wrong with a car without asking the driver..... Despite what you think JR....when plenty of people who would know what they are doing are backing a horse......and its price is lengthening.....then that my auld pal is more than the good ground.....and despite what you think what a horse is by is very relevant..... |
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Race Result Fairyhouse Wed, 19th Apr, 2006
Going - Hurdle & Bumper course - Good to Yielding; Chase course - Yielding. Fine Jackpot Not Won.Pool €2,658.50 carried forward to Tipperary on Thu, 20th Apr. Placepot Pool - €408.50 Winning Units - 10 Dividend - €30.60. Tote Aggregate - €69350.00. 2.15 2.45 3.15 3.45 4.15 4.45 5.15 Ratoath Mares Steeplechase of €20000.00 5-y-o plus 2m. 4f. Chase 1st - €13020.00, 2nd - €4000.00, 3rd - €2000.00, 4th - €800.00 8 Ran A steeplechase for five yrs old and upwards mares only that have not won more than one steeplechase Weights - 5-y-o 10st 9lb; 6-y-o and up 11st 2lb Penalties - Winner of a steeplechase 5lb extra; 1st Desperado Queen (IRE) 11-4 (L W Doran) (5:17.72 4.65 secs slower on today's going ) Un Desperado (FR) - Auburn Queen(Kinglet) Breeder - L W Doran SP 6/1 paulie, spoofing again. |
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Jesus Mark Enright was lucky there on Knockanarragan, looking around him between the last two taking all his horses momentum away and then over-jumps the last nearly ending up on the floor. Rode 95% of the race really well and was good and positive but looking like Paul Carberry doesn't even work that well for Paul Carberry. Put the thing to bed, especially when the cash is down!!
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paulie wallnuts • May 6, 2014 5:37 PM BST.................'Despite what you think JR....when plenty of people who would know what they are doing are backing a horse......and its price is lengthening.....then that my auld pal is more than the good ground'
What!.... i got in late last night and was in fits reading that....the obvious question's are..who are these people and how do you know them Paulie?... On a more serious note i'm quite happy to discuss the subject regarding the ability for a sires progeny to handle certain conditions and the reasons why with you Paulie as it's something that i'm interested in........should make an interesting thread. |
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JR.....there would be no point telling you who some of these people were.....as you wouldn't have heard of them.......
Theres an old saying.....theres no arguing with a fool.....and that's why im going to give you a swerve from now on.... As for having a discussion about the sires progeny........don't think so..... |
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I didn't think so either Paulie......
.......give my regards to all those 'knowledgeable' friends of yours..... |