Ned Buntline

and he wins and jumped like a tank.

What a absolute beast a beautiful looker looks like a bigger Bright New Dawn.

Bigger, but softer, I would say Ruby. Looks good against inferior opposition, but not much there when push comes to shove.

yes did it well..Moscow mannion was disappointing..i done my doe..

I would not doubt that assessment Callitasucit but is that because he has still not learned to settle over a bare 2 miles.

That is something, because Meade has tainmed the wildest horses ever seen to settle over a bare 2 miles. He has excelled with this type of horse over hurdles.

If you watch back the race Ned Buntline actually was nearly unrideable at stages, head up in the air, wandering all over the place. Carberry needed to every inch of talent their. If they can get him to settle he will have more energy towards the end of his races and hence look less soft.

There is undoubted star potential in there, just need to harness it. Carberry and Meade are the best in the business IMO with a horse like this.

His jumping was also violent..he fired himself low and with some velocity and his fences. A real sign of a natural jumper IMO.

ruby was you not disappointed with him lto ?the way he dropped out quickly?..i knew he was the one to beat today..but at the prices I went for Moscow chancing fitness..but jesus he was poor..

Not sure on Moscow, I have no opinion on the horse. Never followed him closely. I just never forget that day Ned won at Naas....it was the truest steering job i have ever seen. The cash that came that day was huge aswell even money into 1/3

did you back him lto?

carberry and meade may be best with these types but remember ap could ride this lad in future. may not be a plus.

I was hoping he would be more impressive in the end.

Less chance of him going off a silly price next time and he will be found badly wanting when he races in top company.

Yeah McCoy will be a worry but he won't be riding him i would not imagine in his next start. Remember he is still only 5, so there is no rush with him. His next start will tell me a lot.

Goes to Naas in January says Meade and that is a right decision.

Stiff fences, stiff finish....hopefully decent ground.

Interesting

Wudnt say he is a natural jumper ruby

will he run at cheltenham??

I reckon he's a big soft chap as well. Combined with Meade's awful record at Cheltenham, you'd need to be mad to back him for the festival. Talented horse though, I'm sure he'll win his share of smaller races.

Ned Buntline would not be mapped at any decent level. Yesterday he won a race that his two main rivals flopped and even at that he struggled to beat Irish Thisle. I not sure he really stays 2 miles either.Thought Paul Carberry was good on him.

As he grows into his frame he might strengthen up a bit and get 2 miles a bit better? Horse with a lot of natural ability but a few chinks.

Nice take on the horse Ruby. I think these Meade horses are often generalised just because they are trained by him and ridden by Paul Carberry. If he goes to Cheltenham, might be more of a Jewson horse rather than the Arkle. You'd probably prefer Carberry to keep the ride on him but if he does run in the UK, likely to be AP.

interesting thread this......for what its worth this is the wallnuts take on this horse.....no way a soft horse can win a bumper at naas.....a hurdle at leopardstown  and a chase at navan......the race for him is the grand annual.....and there must be a chance that carberry will ride it.....as the green and gold is bound to have a few representatives.....
they have won the race the last 2 years with good novices.....carberry even rode one of them.....so they like the race and target it.....guaranteed a suicidal pace.....and guaranteed to be thrown in......if it puts in a blemish free round.....it wins without coming off the bridle.....
and how do people think it doesn't stay 2m......that is really mystifying.....any horse that would win a bumper in naas would stay 3m more than likely.....they definitely stay 2 anyway.....
Happy Xmas to ye all......

The Grand Annual would be the ideal target alright, Bellvano was a similar enough type two years ago. An absolutely magical ride. Though I think it would take one of similar proportions to get this lad to land in front on the line there. If he wins another couple of soft novices though Paulie, he will have attracted the handicappers eye more than Bellvano or the non trier Alderwood did.

I be surprised if he runs at Chelts.....I think they keep him at home.

Noel Meade did say however that it was JP who wanted him to start his career asap over fences after last year. I found that interesting.

Rubyisgodinthesaddle......he's a certainty to run in Cheltenham......keep him at home for what.....Cheltenham is the be all and end all for the green and gold......and you think they are going to leave a potential winner at home....
Callitascuit......if ned buntline isn't up to grade 1 action.....then ya can be sure that he wont be winning between now and March.....

I wonder though do they need to send him this year as he is only 5.

I guess we will see

Very good thread lads and it is very hard to pick a hole in Paulie's argument. He'd remind you a lot of Belvano alright Call and I remember reading that they were absolutely heart-broken with what happened to him, sure why wouldn't they be, if horses like these two wouldn't grab your affection....you might as well get a 9-5. Henderson said something to the effect that he used to work the place down every time.

Chancol for the same connections has a similar profile to Ned Buntline....in terms that they look alike and are the same stamp of a horse. Travel really well.

Be interesting to see how he gets on in the 12.50

We shall see what he's made of tomorrow

He will need the Fav to fall to beat him that is for sure, and may even struggle to hold on for 2nd.

Not a fan of the horse at all, always leaves me with the impression that it really doesnt find that much at the end of its races, we will see, GL

did ye take the dog for a walk

Come on Ned

Bubble burst??

Looks likely...again pulled to hard. Looks like he never settle.

Looked very ordinary today

Giving 6lbs to winner tbf .

He did Kriskin.

He looks like a horse that needs a asterisk beside him. One paced

Then again when Carberry is riding it can be difficult to see what is what.

Now that he has been beaten today, Paulies assertion that he will go for the Grand Annual is a huge runner. He may or may not come up the hill, but he will never be in a race that will be more run to suit him.

wish could watch horse on the track and know if its going to be any good, have you planned out its targets and can you tell me what
OR rating the horse will be in the future and how much stud value might be

If that is the best he can do he would need a taxi to get up the hill at Cheltenham. Mind you I did say IF.

Would you think Ned Buntline might make a good stallion RR?

he will be going to coolmore for sure rr id say

more likely to end up in rubyisgodinthesaddle's back yard, with him taking care of the horse after its racing days are over.

v well bred.he might make a low grade stallion

Just replace the B in the 2nd part of its name with a C and it sums this horse up for me.

Doubt if he was wanted today,a massive drifter,I think he is this years Alderwood.

A friend of mine said the same at naas today Wildmanfromborneo ...Pointed out that w/o him in the field Malloney was a 1/9 shot , and they got 7/4 for their money ...

I don't like his sire but think they are going the Alderwood handicap route with him.

Defy Logic is their Arkle horse so not going there has to be a handicap.

big drifter today.....drifted from evens all the way out to evens........the signs were there for all to see.....

He opened 9/10 for your info ....and there was plenty of 5/4 for a while...Come racing as John would say...

Didn't see the racing today but that was never going to be the be all for a horse like this. He already had a reputation so why not use that rep to make a good mark a very good one. I'd doubt he had done much at home since the last day.

He was 2.3 here on the off.

What do you think of him Paulie ?
Do you think he tried today ?
Many times last year I pointed out the way Alderwood was being run on unsuitable ground and in the Fairyhouse race sailing close to the wind in the not trying stakes,think this fellow going down the same route.

"I wouldn’t say there is anything wrong with the yard, my horses are just not firing. Maybe that is as good as Ned Buntline is, but he was disappointing, and Very Wood only started running when the race was over. He did make a mistake at the wrong time and maybe he will make a better chaser."

Additional reporting by Gary Carson

before people get carry away with this bollix ^^^ ned buntline will not be running at the festival.dont waste any ante post bets on this nag.

I'd find it interesting that they are so keen to tell us all he is useless, they are rarely so forthcoming.

Horse is about as tough as a marshmallow

Give him time, you wouldn't know what he might do when he strengthens up, he is doing it all on raw ability at the minute. I've seen much worse come through after a sticky start to be a force in Irish Graded races. What is gas is that I've have seen Meade give way more 'time' to horses who haven't looked to have near his potential. It all only serves to make me wonder if there is a plan.

If he was with Willie mullins, he'd still be over flights learning his trade, they have appeared to fck him up......it all looks a bit obvious to me...and now yer man coming out spouting off, not sure when the Racing public was last afforded the knowledge that a promising McManus horse wasn't Graded class. now he might not be Grade 1 class, but that isn't a baarier to pissing up in a big festival handicap of a mark in the 130's. Look at what they have done with Carlingford Lough.

if thats yre taste neil,get stuck in.its yre money!

We'll see kinger sure, I've always had a thing for talented underachievers

willie mullins didnt waste time letting florida pearl learn his trade over flights.
he went straight chasing if you remember.

Fair enough Mitch but this fella doesn't look to finish his races as well he should and you'd hope that might be weakness.

I'm not sure the approach did Missed That any good in the jumping department and he might have cooled on it going by Champagne Fever.

sorry to labour the point, thought the second reply hadn't gone through.

It could be weakness alright. might even be a slight wind problem but probably the main reason at the moment is hes pulls too much and does too much on the bridle to be able to finish races strongly. needs to settle.

Decent enough run from Ned Buntline at Naas considering he was giving 6lbs to a course specialist (third course win),on ground he loves and who had a R.P. rating for his first run over fences equal to that of N B. and a  hurdles rating actually higher by 2lbs, I think ..Malloney was a good bet on the day on reflection .Well done Workrider I think it was you who flagged him up on Sunday.    But after saying all that I just can not see any comparison between this fellow and Alderwood but for the colours the jock will carry.Even if he is campaigned in the same manner over the next few weeks as Alderwood last year and turns up in the G Annual I wont be touching him with a barge pole . At this stage he has achieved nothing compared to A wood over hurdles , a winner of the toughest 2m handicap  of any year in the County,(festival form) a grade 2 at Fairyhouse and a grade 1 at Punches in what was essentially a swamp. His toughness was well proven where as  Ned Buntline is showing signs of being the complete opposite. Looks a horse that would be much better suited by a track like Liverpool.

I would agree he bears no resemblance to Alderwood Oufies, a tough sort, who keeps finding and ideally suited to further. He is though very similar to Bellvano, bridle horse who will love big field, flat out gallop, and the perfect balls of steel ride from Carberry.

Fota Island springs to mind for me when i watch ned run.

The horse was beaten after 1 fence at Naas.  He had no chance(Yes i did lay it).  He could have had a chance if he had been let stride on but he will never win a decent race unless he settles.  Id say his next few races will be a similar story and not because the horse is a non jigger but because he needs to be taught to settle.  If he pulled like he did at Navan in a decent race he would be tailed off.

Don't think he is a traditional non-trier, but he is being let run away through the winter gaining valuable experience especially in the jumping department. He was kept out of the Christmas fare in case he might run up the arse of something maybe? He probably isn't ready for that anyway. Maybe they will start putting the emphasis now on reigning him in for the spring Festivals. They've landed good pots with less.

The horse will never be more than a handicapper.

I wouldn't be sure what he might do if he'd ever settle!!

Does this freeness tendancy ever correct itself. Say now if he is driven out hard to the line some day when he is legless having pulled too hard, might he remember that feeling the next time he is racing and learn that he has to pace himself? or would it just sour him?

Massive difference between Bellvano / Fota Island and Ned Buntline .Belvano trained by "Festival King" N Henderson ...Fota Island trained by M Morris,no better man to ready one for the March showpiece  .....Ned Buntline trained by N Meade whos record at Cheltenham speaks for its self. Three novice hurdle winners in thirty odd years.( One of which would most likely have finished second had Hurricane fly not missed race due to injury).