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21 Dec 13
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Noel Meade fav
Willie Mullins 2nd fav,
Wildman will be watching this one with beady eyes.
Willie Mullins 2nd fav,
Wildman will be watching this one with beady eyes.
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For the sake of pig iron no harm in keeping an eye on it.
On the face of it Wounded Warriors 3rd to Shaneshill looks decent form and is reflected in the prices,not sure how good Killultagh Vics 3rd in a point is,ie 14L behind Aircraftman who incidently fell behind a well touted WPM runner in Alonso in a Wexford maiden. Of note also is that point was in April so possible fitness questions there.No bet at this stage for me. BF prices, Wounded Warrior 2/2.02 Killultagh Vic 3.6/3.7 |
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Now here's a matter that confuses me ,in the last 8 bumpers that Noel Meade has contested-Willie Mullins has had runners in 7 of them.
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It's great to have you back, dj. That's the kind of factual insight that cuts straight through all the bluff and bluster.
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Just to update the early BF market;
Wounded Warrior 2/2.02 Killultagh Vic 3.25/3.3 On the face of it it looks like there is support for the 2nd fav in the weak early market,have my doubts is it genuine and will be interesting to see will it continue. |
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Do Meade and Mullins not avoid each other in Bumpers or has this theory been shelved??
There is market manipulation on every single race today-U'd expect the form horse to be odds on later on. Liquidity is gone on here,often an attempt to hold off course prices.(still a lot of work getting on) |
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Theory as far as i remember concerned up to December or thereabouts,anyway things can change.Accept the market manipulation and liquidity points they are very valid.
As said in the opening post its pig iron and nothing might happen with the race,still it may and was the point i was making on the irish forum thread but was dismissed by yourself. |
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So do you now accept that Meade and Mullins avoiding each other in bumpers was a load of bolloc#s??
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anyway things can change
He just can't bring himself to disagree with his Commander in Chief. The type of **** who votes FF just cause his great grandfather did. A weak yes man. |
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No,i think they did particulary in Sept/oct/nov to a large extent.
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Ah Pa you're leaving yourself down,Mullins had 2 bumper runners in a 6 week period then.
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Another contribution from ya Ozy that falls into the point scoring category rather than the pimping of other peoples work category on yet another racing thread.
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Or maybe it wasn't because of the lack of runners,but because they saw the great Wildman was on to them and now have reacted by suddenly taking each other on in every Bumper.
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With the greatest respect this isn't a Rich Ricci or Gigginstown Bumper horse.
Giggy have a good line as there horse was beat Mullins inmate in his point. Meade will win this. |
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Dj don't underestimate the pally pally nature of Irish racing particularly the close relationship of the Mullins family and Meade.
The presence of the Mullins horse on Meades home turf is keeping his at a backable price?. |
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Greaser,
Have a look at his thread it states Meade and Mullins avoid each other in Bumpers. How anyone can suggest that is factually correct is beyond me. Last 8 Meade Bumper (including today) -Willie Mullins has had 7 runners. I think it's fairy difficult to state that this theory(and I mean this THEORY ALONE)has any credibility? |
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In recent seasons it doesn't seem so prevalent, but going back a few years, Meade use to monopolise all the early bumper races, before Willies got into full stride and many of the graded races too.
But such is Willies almost total dominance these days Meade like many other trainers are struggling to compete against such firepower. |
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Okay different tangent,not much point in continuing there and I am sure Wildman will attempt to move the goalposts too.
If I suggested a theory on here and it proved to be incorrect-I'd hold my hands up and say sorry lads I was way off there. It is important to bear in mind performance of past theories when considering the credibility of future theories. |
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Is there collusion dj?, personally I do not know, but I'd say there is an element of is yours any good Willie or is yours any good Noel.
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Sure it was said it was at least pre Christmas,your point they have been taking each other on lately is of course a fair point.
Just an update; Wounded Warior 2/2.02 Killultagh Vic 2.88/3 Notable that the 3rd fav is weak(Boonadooma) |
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Anyone think Ruby got a bit out of his ground there on Easy Vic? horse isn't the most reliable but he could have been closer I think.
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Jaysus, that is what ya get for questioning Ruby, was on Cedre Bleu there and there is no doubt in my mind that Walsh would have gotten it home, a strength thing.
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Think that fella travels well Neill and seems to find little,a disappointing horse,seemed to have a good chance today,one personally i,d be forgetting about.
No major market moves for the main two yet,Boondrooma being so weak is the reason for slight shortenings. Wounded warrior 1.92/1.93 Killultagh 2.98/3.05 |
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Was just watching but just had a look back at a few of his races on the player Pa and you'd be right, probably should have checked that before commenting.
Jacob probably didn't do a whole pile wrong either but you just sense he is costing Nicholls in comparison to what he had before. |
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Have backed Wounded warrior as I want to be on the side of any horse that has had anything to do with Shaneshill.
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Money now coming for Wounded Warrior 1.75,no major drift on Killtulagh at 3.2.
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Jacob gave it a perfect ride the horse didn't want to know neil.
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I was hoping Walsh might have changed his mind Silver!!
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pa what was the best price you could get for meads please?
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11/10 and a little more to small,plenty of evens around for most of the day Tony.
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thanks pa..be interesting to see the form with the mullins inmate..seems everyone thinks that's his festival horse?
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Mullins has some lovely horses to unveil yet.
Shaneshill looks a very poor price at 8/1 although not quite in the Craanford Mill bracket. |
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form is solid enough eh pa?
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distant,
I agree..but I thought they raved about royal caviar? |
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Not sure who they are to be honest, as I have not heard too much talk outside of the norm about either horse.
They are nearly all talked up and certainly when they wear pink silks. Sicilian Secret was one that I think was 5/1 for Cheltenham and was 16/1 on the day? Having said that Fever was 24s on the machine at the off in the bumper. |
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Well done Neill,concerned the two and while Wounded Warrior was very well backed,he was entitled to be as said above decent recent form against a possible very good horse who ought to come on for the run.Winner went off approx 1.71
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I thought he was beaten in the un the way the Mullins horse went Pa.
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Happened to see Modem last time and he was very babyish, I think he will take the last at Lingfield so had a go.
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welldone neill..great shout..
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Funny one Tony as twas me slipping into old ways!! I had a really close look at Salsalito Sunrise but I passed it up and it was an angry kind of bet really. He travelled twice as well as he did the last day there did Modem.
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