Navan Tomorrow.

apache is very doubtful runner gotchee

Didn't realise that rich, is there a problem?

a foot absess according to atr site gotchee,was at navan the last day he won and he looked a serious animal.....

Taking things literally, on a line through  "The Liquidator", BRIAR HILL easily has the beating of APACHE STRONGHOLD....
Granted, that was bumper form, but if the improvement is the same BRIAR HILL should come out on top...

if only it was that easy lol

12.05 Tiger Trek dropping into maiden company could go well here at a decent price. Certainly a good place bet a 3/1 on here.
12.35 Hop In will appreciate the stiff track today and could go well at 5/1.
1.05 Even though Apache Stronghold a NR I still think there are enough question marks against Briar Hill re trip and hurdling experience to take him on with Azorian who had to do a lot of work last time .
2.15 I boil this down to Sizing Gold and Operating and will go for Operating who has run well in a few races recently and prefers to go left handed.
2.45 Golden Ticket may be a horse with improvement to come.

Good luck all.

The 2 Sizing horses one trained by very much in form Mullins other by the out of form De Bromhead and both ridden by a jockey that is riding not a shadow of what he was 2 years ago.Thought they both looked winners but dont like having doubts at short odds.Thought if Turnandgo and Faugheen could start at 1/10 and 1/9 that the last fav was up there with them when you consider he doesnt have to jump 10 flights of hurdles as Turnandgo did.Dont bet that sort of odds on myself but if your that way inclined.Wss giving  horses chances that shortened up overnight and this morning Mireya and Brian Who.

I'm disappointed that Apache is a nr as I was looking forward to having a few quid on this one today, actually its a 2 horse race now, will be interesting to see how Azorian gets on against Briar Hill with his form behind Apache last time.

Briar Hill won the champion bumper impressively but was it a bit of a fluke as he went off a virtually unconsidered 25/1 shot, did it surprise the Mullins camp that day?.

It was a surprise..........some horses do it on the track and others do it at home on the gallops.
You can't just gallop the head off them and run them in races.

Placepot for interest:

1st: Sizing Tennesse & Kick On Boss
2nd: Mireya & College Boy
3rd: Briar Hill
4th: Call Me Bubbles
5th: Sizing Gold
6th: Troll D'Oudairies & Golden Ticket

Happy punting

WELL DUN THE GOTCHEE/SANTRY AN WINNERS  BET BLACLLOUGH 16 HIT 1.4 IR  GREED BEATS ME AGAIN

well done Gotchee and Santry

Well done lads, plenty of winners on these threads of late. This place isn't as bad as made out at all. Ozy, what would you make of United today at 4/5? I'm tempted as I don't rate that Villa team at all, bunch of Track & Field athletes...

I wouldn't bother Neill.  We should win, but not a betting prospect for me.

Our confidence is shot, poor looking bench, of our front 6 only Rooney and Januzaj have anything in their locker, Cleverley and Giggs might get run ragged in midfield.

Villa licking their lips imo.

You're probably right, having just looked at the team myself there. Going to let it go. Thanks

Sizing Gold should have no trouble winning this-value at odds against.

top stuff again ozy??????

  Sorry Neill!

Not a bother Ozy, I'm taking a more disciplined approach to things gambling and have already wiped my nose and moved on.

I think this is more a reflection of how bad Villa are than any meaningful improvement from United. I notice with Villa that they often fall apart when they go one down, their chronic lack of creativity means they have to force things and leave gaps.

Sorry what I mean to say is sometimes you just have to watch them win if the price isn't enticing enough.

Fancied one big-time at Wolverhampton last night, Solar Deity, he was beaten a head incidently. I missed all of the 3/1 on Saturday though having spent half the day in bed after doing the 12 Pubs. All I could get was 9/4 so I left it.

It was one of the proudest moments of my life

Villa are mostly a counter attacking side who rely on their pace players - probably explains why they fall apart when they go behind.

Would Apache have taken care of Briar Hill today, considering it barely broke sweat last time to dismiss Azorian

i think so sil,very much so after the manner he dispatched of azorian lto at navan

Richters I think this apache can be a serious horse, and with Glens Melody getting crucified in England yesterday, maybe the Mullins dominance is not as powerful as it seems?

sil i went down to navan that day to back one horse and that was the obrien horse that finished 3rd to apache but i must say apache was a lovely looking horse and won that race effortlessly.....i dont see any entries for him but id say hel be entered for one at the leop christmas.

Richters with all due respect to Hurricane Fly what the hell has he ever beat?

His champion hurdle crown looks in some serious danger this year, at least this season he has to beat a decent horse?.


And if he does which I seriously doubt then maybe I can speak of him in the same breath as the king Istabraq, but as I said I seriously doubt Hurricane Fly would've got a sniff of Istabraqs behind as he disappeared into the distance.

Similar pattern. I'm sure Hurricane fly would beat Palette, French holly, theatreworld, limestone lad.
Istabraq only started odds against 3 or 4 times in his career.

Silver, Glens Melody getting stuffed yesterday has no significance on the rest of Mullins string. She is a decent mare, but was a poor price in yesterdays race. Them mares races she has been winning were pure useless. Apart from Quevega, the David Nicholson has been a lottery in recent years. All finishing in a heap, and anything could be second on any given day. When she faced something decent, Annie Power blew her away. And she too has plenty to find to be CH candidate.
And as regards Hurricane, yes he has never beaten a superstar, but that's not to say hes not close to one himself. I too don't think he would have beaten Istabraq, but not many would. I think he gets unfairly crabbed, and has been a fine ambassador. Probably the worst looking animal Willie has, but no questioning his enduring ability.

Anyone think Davys ride on f.blues a little strange today , kept it well off the pace , then when the race was nearly over brought it into contention ..A well judged ride or a poor one....?

Callitasucit..........I wouldn't worry too much, he is only having a cheap pop at Willie Mullins.

Workrider.......The 2 in front went a fair clip in that race. He should pick up a small beginners chase around Christmas.

Great to see Jennies Jewel win a decent pot for small time connections today. See really is a very consistant mare and got the reward today. Shows the NH season can produce good stories. Unfortunately having backed her last 3 runs deserted her today-I enjoyed it though and well done to connections.

God Gant maybe I can say the same about you, you seem to have a cheap pop at me even if I'm talking sense, but maybe its the Meath man coming out in you, well we all know you cant stand Kildare.

I suppose it might have escaped you that Istabra was trained by none other than the weird one and I'm having a pop at Willie because I genuinely think Hurricane Fly hasn't had a real good horse to beat in his entire career.

Why spout on about Willie Mullins because you don't rate Hurricane Fly, he is only the trainer doing a job for the owners.

I couldn't give a toss about Kildare and the edge of the Curragh syndrome but I would like to see your footballers win something one day.

The bit about you talking sense is funny but then again most of us are sheep who are afraid to ask the hard questions.

Hurricane Fly was all out to beat Peddlers Cross and Oscar Whiskey, what has Peddlers done since?. Won a few Micky Mouse races at long odds on, both he and Oscar Whiskey were pulled up behind the decent but hardly world beating Solwhit in the world hurdle.

Gets stuffed the next year on genuinely good ground by two of the greatest hurdlers of all time, Rock on Ruby and Overturn, wins 2nd Champion hurdle after getting woefully outpaced before staying on again when ROR started to wain after going off far too quickly on rain softened ground, and you can't see the likes of Our Conor, The New One etc finally putting to bed the myth of Hurricane Fly as an all time great?.

All good horses get put to bed at some stage, it's what you do when they are your peak that counts......losers are easily forgotten.

Our Conor will get his chance on the 29th of December and if he is worth €1 million he should easily dispose of the opposition.

I didn't even realize there was even an Istabraq type myth about Hurricane Fly.

I would think Glens Melody would like it a bit easier than what it encountered at Cheltenham.

What's all this hype about Glen's Melody, would it be in the top 15/20 animals at Closutton?. NO.

Its not the hype gant but its form has close links to the likes of Annie Power.

Glens Melody got beat nearly 30'L's yesterday by two Brits, might have Mullins scratching his head a bit that maybe the Brits have a pretty strong team this year?.

She is 20lb inferior to the Cheltenham types.

Yeah gant but she would be a pretty good yardstick to gauge the ability of your better ones, so Glens Melody's comprehensive defeat yesterday has left Willie much to ponder over?.

Maybe he will just have to work harder.

Just to add this, the 3 C.Hurdles won by Istabraq where poor contests in my opinion the opposition where not proper 2m hurdlers at all. By a long way the strongest Champion Hurdle races were back in the 70`s 80`s very competitive with so many having an equal chance.

Yes Istabraq was a proper champion in his time, but by along way there where better quality horses running against each other.

I'd say Glens Melody's defeat has not even registered with Willie never mind giving him something to ponder over!

Why not tolmi, maybe he sent Glens Melody over on a fact finding mission?

I doubt he needs to send anything on fact finding missions.I'd say what he has at home will do that for him.

He hasn't got the English horses at home Tolmi so by running against the the English will give him a good gauge as to how his better horses compare.

Glens Melody might not be one of his best but he brought some decent form to the table, but the manner of his defeat suggests the English might have a pretty strong hand this year in the staying division?. More of That won cosily and looks a bright prospect, granted the French challenger was hugely disappointing, surely he's much better than that even allowing for the ground conditions, he was extremely weak in the betting and ran accordingly.

Glens Melody is a mare who has limited opportunities here with better mares in the stable.I think its mainly mares he has sent to England so far as he has too many for the mares races here.I doubt he has any interest in fact finding missions.

and the british broadcasting corporation in donnybrook failed to mention the above in their coverage,a real seethfest indeed.....

wrong fred

You may be right tolmi but from a punters perspective it does give a little food for thought.

Those who check how low a horse went in running should note that they are not always right.

Having laid Golden Ticket at 3.35 before the race, I got cold feet as they turned into the straight and backed it back at the best I could get which was 2.44. As soon as the bet was struck the horse dropped back like a stone LOL!!
Looking at the betfair sp's today I notice it said it went as low as 2.5 during the race which is obviously wrong. Take the lowest in running price as a guide rather than fact I say.

Not a bad crowd down there at all with Michael O'Leary in attendance having a great chat wtih Noel Meade and his brother Eddie after one of the later races. Maybe another non runner coup was being plotted. Only joking.

only 2500 crowd.............shocking

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Great to see Jennies Jewel win a decent pot for small time connections today. See really is a very consistant mare and got the reward today. Shows the NH season can produce good stories. Unfortunately having backed her last 3 runs deserted her today-I enjoyed it though and well done to connections.

Thanks Santry.

They don't come much smaller, David v Goilath would look like a fairly even fight compared to the likes of us against the might of O'Leary Ricci and McManus

Unlucky that you missed out yesterday, to be honest with the extra bit of depth of quality in the race and a few other things we were probably a bit less hopeful than we had been, particularly in Naas.
I was very impressed with McCarthy yesterday the way he adapted cleverly to the way the race played out, he's a smart lad and deserves more opportunities than he gets. Delighted too for Jarlath and his family, he's done a great job with the mare, no messing about and hes always in tune with her, he understands the game and has a real shrewd eye for where the opportunities are but always with the first thought to the mare's wellbeing.

That was one of the great days that make all the rest of them worthwhile. She's some game mare, long may it last!

well done mate,i was there when she finished 3rd to vics canvas a fortnight before when she run a cracker,and i have to agree i thought ian mc carthy gave it a cracker yesterday......

The Gotchee comes up with a decent priced winner.
World Wide Web gets his place pot up.

Not a boom in sight,two classy posters.

Great victory for Jennies Jewel,hope it makes up for the bad luck in Naas.

A good racing thread and well done winners.
You,re obviously involved with her Fishin Joella and congratulations on a nice pot which was well deserved for her consistency, great ride indeed i agree and he kicked well after being so prominent,slightly different tactics which really suited her. Best of luck in the future with her.

Fishin joella , well done a fine win , Would you have been involved with the horse named after yourself many years ago , it was owned by a man from naas , i tried to by it off him , but he wanted a little to much money ...

Ah now, its not that many years ago, probably about 15, you're making me feel old! I do have a vague memory of some derisory offers coming in but she was never really for sale
You are on the right track but it wasn't me you were talking to back then, that man is still the brains behind the whole project and it was him bred Jennies out of Fishin Joella.

ffs.....is that wonky on about buying fishin joella...... fish and chips he was trying to buy in the square in tallaght one night.....

I saw Fishin Joella easily win a bumper for unraced horses at Leopardstown over Christmas and she followed up by winning the bumper at Gowran on Thyestes day. Can't remember her hurdling exploits but I dont think she ever truly fulfilled the promise of those early wins. Nice broodmare to have now though.
On Jennies Jewel,it appears to me the 2.5 miles on a stiff track suits her well. Sure to get a decent hike now and will be rated one of the best race mares in the country. Graded races will probably be on the agenda. Best of luck with her.
That day at Naas I was convinced she'd won and was ready to collect a nice bet at 12/1. She got her reward on Sunday.

Well it was more than i was willing to pay at the time Fishin , I wish you all the best with her , as Santry says Graded races on her cv and he skys the limit , you were not alone thinking she'd got up at naas Santry , and if memory serves she was on the right side ....

How lucky was that for the odds on bettors.Royal Caviar got tossed out of the bumper in Navan after a successful appeal by the Crawfords at the Turf Club.Surprised myself.