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There is a serious amount of prize money on offer for this meeting but sadly Navan/HRI couldn't get one race sponsored. My local had a race night last week and every race was sponsored.
Anyway, leaving that aside, I believe the Grade 1 is a two horse race and Apache Stronghold is the one to beat. I will take a Navan Grade 2 winner over a Wexford maiden hurdle winner any day.
Although he is not the trainer he use to be I think Arthur Moore's Hop In should go close in the 12.35. E/W
Anyway, leaving that aside, I believe the Grade 1 is a two horse race and Apache Stronghold is the one to beat. I will take a Navan Grade 2 winner over a Wexford maiden hurdle winner any day.
Although he is not the trainer he use to be I think Arthur Moore's Hop In should go close in the 12.35. E/W
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apache is very doubtful runner gotchee
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Didn't realise that rich, is there a problem?
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a foot absess according to atr site gotchee,was at navan the last day he won and he looked a serious animal.....
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Taking things literally, on a line through "The Liquidator", BRIAR HILL easily has the beating of APACHE STRONGHOLD....
Granted, that was bumper form, but if the improvement is the same BRIAR HILL should come out on top... if only it was that easy lol |
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12.05 Tiger Trek dropping into maiden company could go well here at a decent price. Certainly a good place bet a 3/1 on here.
12.35 Hop In will appreciate the stiff track today and could go well at 5/1. 1.05 Even though Apache Stronghold a NR I still think there are enough question marks against Briar Hill re trip and hurdling experience to take him on with Azorian who had to do a lot of work last time . 2.15 I boil this down to Sizing Gold and Operating and will go for Operating who has run well in a few races recently and prefers to go left handed. 2.45 Golden Ticket may be a horse with improvement to come. Good luck all. |
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The 2 Sizing horses one trained by very much in form Mullins other by the out of form De Bromhead and both ridden by a jockey that is riding not a shadow of what he was 2 years ago.Thought they both looked winners but dont like having doubts at short odds.Thought if Turnandgo and Faugheen could start at 1/10 and 1/9 that the last fav was up there with them when you consider he doesnt have to jump 10 flights of hurdles as Turnandgo did.Dont bet that sort of odds on myself but if your that way inclined.Wss giving horses chances that shortened up overnight and this morning Mireya and Brian Who.
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I'm disappointed that Apache is a nr as I was looking forward to having a few quid on this one today, actually its a 2 horse race now, will be interesting to see how Azorian gets on against Briar Hill with his form behind Apache last time.
Briar Hill won the champion bumper impressively but was it a bit of a fluke as he went off a virtually unconsidered 25/1 shot, did it surprise the Mullins camp that day?. |
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It was a surprise..........some horses do it on the track and others do it at home on the gallops.
You can't just gallop the head off them and run them in races. |
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Placepot for interest:
1st: Sizing Tennesse & Kick On Boss 2nd: Mireya & College Boy 3rd: Briar Hill 4th: Call Me Bubbles 5th: Sizing Gold 6th: Troll D'Oudairies & Golden Ticket Happy punting |
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WELL DUN THE GOTCHEE/SANTRY AN WINNERS BET BLACLLOUGH 16 HIT 1.4 IR GREED BEATS ME AGAIN
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well done Gotchee and Santry
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Well done lads, plenty of winners on these threads of late. This place isn't as bad as made out at all. Ozy, what would you make of United today at 4/5? I'm tempted as I don't rate that Villa team at all, bunch of Track & Field athletes...
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I wouldn't bother Neill. We should win, but not a betting prospect for me.
Our confidence is shot, poor looking bench, of our front 6 only Rooney and Januzaj have anything in their locker, Cleverley and Giggs might get run ragged in midfield. Villa licking their lips imo. |
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You're probably right, having just looked at the team myself there. Going to let it go. Thanks
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Sizing Gold should have no trouble winning this-value at odds against.
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top stuff again ozy??????
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 Sorry Neill! |
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Not a bother Ozy, I'm taking a more disciplined approach to things gambling and have already wiped my nose and moved on.
I think this is more a reflection of how bad Villa are than any meaningful improvement from United. I notice with Villa that they often fall apart when they go one down, their chronic lack of creativity means they have to force things and leave gaps. |
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Sorry what I mean to say is sometimes you just have to watch them win if the price isn't enticing enough.
Fancied one big-time at Wolverhampton last night, Solar Deity, he was beaten a head incidently. I missed all of the 3/1 on Saturday though having spent half the day in bed after doing the 12 Pubs. All I could get was 9/4 so I left it. It was one of the proudest moments of my life |
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Villa are mostly a counter attacking side who rely on their pace players - probably explains why they fall apart when they go behind.
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Would Apache have taken care of Briar Hill today, considering it barely broke sweat last time to dismiss Azorian
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i think so sil,very much so after the manner he dispatched of azorian lto at navan
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Richters I think this apache can be a serious horse, and with Glens Melody getting crucified in England yesterday, maybe the Mullins dominance is not as powerful as it seems?
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sil i went down to navan that day to back one horse and that was the obrien horse that finished 3rd to apache but i must say apache was a lovely looking horse and won that race effortlessly.....i dont see any entries for him but id say hel be entered for one at the leop christmas.
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Richters with all due respect to Hurricane Fly what the hell has he ever beat?
His champion hurdle crown looks in some serious danger this year, at least this season he has to beat a decent horse?. And if he does which I seriously doubt then maybe I can speak of him in the same breath as the king Istabraq, but as I said I seriously doubt Hurricane Fly would've got a sniff of Istabraqs behind as he disappeared into the distance. |
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Similar pattern. I'm sure Hurricane fly would beat Palette, French holly, theatreworld, limestone lad.
Istabraq only started odds against 3 or 4 times in his career. |
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Silver, Glens Melody getting stuffed yesterday has no significance on the rest of Mullins string. She is a decent mare, but was a poor price in yesterdays race. Them mares races she has been winning were pure useless. Apart from Quevega, the David Nicholson has been a lottery in recent years. All finishing in a heap, and anything could be second on any given day. When she faced something decent, Annie Power blew her away. And she too has plenty to find to be CH candidate.
And as regards Hurricane, yes he has never beaten a superstar, but that's not to say hes not close to one himself. I too don't think he would have beaten Istabraq, but not many would. I think he gets unfairly crabbed, and has been a fine ambassador. Probably the worst looking animal Willie has, but no questioning his enduring ability. |
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Anyone think Davys ride on f.blues a little strange today , kept it well off the pace , then when the race was nearly over brought it into contention ..A well judged ride or a poor one....?
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Callitasucit..........I wouldn't worry too much, he is only having a cheap pop at Willie Mullins.
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Workrider.......The 2 in front went a fair clip in that race. He should pick up a small beginners chase around Christmas.
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Great to see Jennies Jewel win a decent pot for small time connections today. See really is a very consistant mare and got the reward today. Shows the NH season can produce good stories. Unfortunately having backed her last 3 runs deserted her today-I enjoyed it though and well done to connections.
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God Gant maybe I can say the same about you, you seem to have a cheap pop at me even if I'm talking sense, but maybe its the Meath man coming out in you, well we all know you cant stand Kildare.
I suppose it might have escaped you that Istabra was trained by none other than the weird one and I'm having a pop at Willie because I genuinely think Hurricane Fly hasn't had a real good horse to beat in his entire career. |
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Why spout on about Willie Mullins because you don't rate Hurricane Fly, he is only the trainer doing a job for the owners.
I couldn't give a toss about Kildare and the edge of the Curragh syndrome but I would like to see your footballers win something one day. The bit about you talking sense is funny but then again most of us are sheep who are afraid to ask the hard questions. |
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Hurricane Fly was all out to beat Peddlers Cross and Oscar Whiskey, what has Peddlers done since?. Won a few Micky Mouse races at long odds on, both he and Oscar Whiskey were pulled up behind the decent but hardly world beating Solwhit in the world hurdle.
Gets stuffed the next year on genuinely good ground by two of the greatest hurdlers of all time, Rock on Ruby and Overturn, wins 2nd Champion hurdle after getting woefully outpaced before staying on again when ROR started to wain after going off far too quickly on rain softened ground, and you can't see the likes of Our Conor, The New One etc finally putting to bed the myth of Hurricane Fly as an all time great?. |
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All good horses get put to bed at some stage, it's what you do when they are your peak that counts......losers are easily forgotten.
Our Conor will get his chance on the 29th of December and if he is worth €1 million he should easily dispose of the opposition. I didn't even realize there was even an Istabraq type myth about Hurricane Fly. |
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I would think Glens Melody would like it a bit easier than what it encountered at Cheltenham.
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What's all this hype about Glen's Melody, would it be in the top 15/20 animals at Closutton?. NO.
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Its not the hype gant but its form has close links to the likes of Annie Power.
Glens Melody got beat nearly 30'L's yesterday by two Brits, might have Mullins scratching his head a bit that maybe the Brits have a pretty strong team this year?. |
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She is 20lb inferior to the Cheltenham types.
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