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paulie wallnuts
09 Dec 13 12:58
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Just saw his ride on kates benefit yesterday in Cork.....and what a ride it was......that mare will be sore this morning id say......a broken jaw .....after danny's attempt at the last 2 fences......maybe barry should save the retainer.....and ride them himself.....

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kavvie
When: 09 Dec 13 13:13
dont often agree with you but in this occasion i will
By:
Bigwillystyle
When: 09 Dec 13 13:52
Thought it was comical.  He was craping himself coming to the last.  I backed the winner so i was delighted but he should have won easily.  Awful ride.  He is getting a bit better but still looks awful over fences.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 09 Dec 13 13:58
I wouldnt comment on their relative merits a a jockey but Barry obviously could teach him a thing or two about making money. However Danny would probably beat him hands down when it comes to buying/selling/owning horses
By:
Arklearkle
When: 09 Dec 13 14:00
Tbf its great that enthusiasts like Barry support Irish racing as he does. I would imagine he pays his taxes also unlike some.
By:
paulie wallnuts
When: 09 Dec 13 14:17
bigwillystyle is right.....he is getting better......but he is starting from a low base.....
By:
soapp
When: 09 Dec 13 19:37
I must say it's not often that I think a ride is poor but having been down in Mallow with a few bob on the winner I thought he was never going to beat Danny's mount. Basically I said straight after the race Danny got Katie D beat not Dessedtothenines.

Now fair is fair and I thought 15 months ago he gave Faltering Fullback a monster ride to win the Kerry National to balance it up.

Thinking back he did me a good turn at Fairyhouse last weekend on Foxrock a once paced beast.
By:
culdesac
When: 10 Dec 13 07:39
I think he has improved no end as a rider. Having made the progression from the flat he looked a little light early on but he has really strengthened up and his three winners for Barry the weekend before last were testament to that. His general handling of MOunt Benbulben (who admittedly fell last time) has also been notable.
On balance a much improved jockey. Did he give Kates Benefit a below par ride? - perhaps
It does not however warrant a title to the thread such as this.
These guys do this for a living and dont need us here knocking them to the level of suggesting they are worse than a 50 year old amatuer
By:
GANT007
When: 10 Dec 13 10:11
Culdesac.........no racing professional would pay a blind bit of notice to the crap spouted on here. The country is littered with barstool trainers, jockeys and self confessed experts. Oh and name droppers.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 10 Dec 13 10:22
Very fair and totally agree he is getting better Culdesac,easy to knock anyone on the spur of the moment particulary if it costs you but a tough,brave job at the end of the day and they don,t the criticism thats directed at them in a lot of cases.
By:
silvergreaser
When: 10 Dec 13 10:33
I presume Barry O'Connell is a good judge of a jockey, I don't think he would be putting Danny up on his expensive purchases if he didn't think he was up to the job.

I do agree in hindsight that he should've fired Kates benefit over the last fence instead of nursing her over it as Dressedtothenines was building up momentum from behind, whether the horse would've won or not is up for debate.
By:
Bigwillystyle
When: 10 Dec 13 10:35
Of course they deserve the criticism.  A lot of them are very well paid to do their jobs.  Some of them are poor enough at it too.  Are you telling me he didnt gve it a shocker in Cork??  Oh but wait because they do a dangerous job we should never criticise.  F  u  ck off with that toneLaugh
By:
pa lapsy
When: 10 Dec 13 10:42
What do want the man to do? Always good,average and poorish jockeys,most are in it for the love of the game,they are not well paid.Agree that i always thought he was poor but as Culdesac says is getting better,fair dues.Bigwillie i,d say you are some man on a horse that would have no hesitation at throwing your mount at a fence at 35mph.
By:
GANT007
When: 10 Dec 13 10:42
Barry Connell pays the bills, end of. Most of the better jockeys were retained one way or another so why not employ a lad you know and trust.
By:
paulie wallnuts
When: 10 Dec 13 10:52
It will be easy to identify the clueless on this thread.......anybody in the danny camp is obviously so......
culdesac.....quite obviously he isn't worse than barry Connell was.....but I think most get my point.....he is one from three in graded company on mount benbulben......big swing......and you will see the real danny as we did in down royal.....next time in the king George.....he is riding good horses but he is far from being a top rider.....in fact one of the worst rides this season was by him on a winner in Naas......if he wasn't called mullins he wouldn't be considered for these rides.....any anybody who knows anything about the game knows he is a real liability against the top 6 or 7 jockeys in this country.....
As for barry Connell being a good judge of a jockey.....obviously not so......why would anybody feel the need to retain him.....its not as if anybody else would want him for a big race.....
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 10 Dec 13 11:00
Barry Connell is a friend of the family,has ridden out for Tony for years saw Danny growing up obviously likes him so gave him the job.

Danny Mullins is a decent flat jockey,he is a poor chase jockey but is improving.

It is an act of loyalty but one that will cost Barry Connell at some stage.
By:
paulie wallnuts
When: 10 Dec 13 11:00
Gant 07.....what was wrong with brian cooper riding our conor.....the stable jockey who has won the triumph hurdle on him.....a young jockey going places.....a polished rider.....with Cheltenham experience.....and experience of winning there......that is criminal.....and is an act that will get its just rewards.....and maybe even has already......
By:
GANT007
When: 10 Dec 13 11:03
Nothing wrong with Bryan Cooper riding Our Conor but is he not No.2 man for Gigginstown.
By:
paulie wallnuts
When: 10 Dec 13 11:08
and what in gods name has that got to do with anything.....gigginstown haven't even got a horse being mentioned for the champion hurdle......not to mind two of them.....I will guarantee that every day our conor runs with danny mullins on it.....cooper will be sitting in the weigh room.....
By:
Bigwillystyle
When: 10 Dec 13 11:13
Silver if a jockey is not willing to fire a horse at a fence he has no business riding.  He wasnt going 35MPH as you suggest.  By the  time he got to the fence he was doing about 5MPH as he was tugging it back from about 200 yards from the fence.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 10 Dec 13 11:15
Agree that B Cooper should have kept the ride,he seems to get on very well with the horse,Barry O'Connell got one of the biggest hatchet jobs ever in racing by J Mc Cririck after the supreme with Dunguib, the man did nothing wrong that day the horse was over hyped and has shown after exactly what he was.
By:
Bigwillystyle
When: 10 Dec 13 11:16
PA go back to bed.  It was Brian not Barry who rode Dunguib and he deserved the flak he got.  Gave it a shocker.
By:
GANT007
When: 10 Dec 13 11:18
I'm sure Michael or Eddie O'Leary didn't even know that back then.........speculation. Bryan has put his hat in the Gigginstown ring.
And yes he is a far better jockey than Danny Mullins.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 10 Dec 13 11:20
You,re right there BWS, I might come back later.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 10 Dec 13 11:25
Brian Cooper second only to Ruby Walsh and a big threat to Davy Russell.
Will have the Gigginstown job shortly.
By:
paulie wallnuts
When: 10 Dec 13 11:34
Brian Cooper is a top jockey.....the other fellow is so so ordinary.....anyway its crystal clear Connell hasn't a bulls.....look at some of his trainers......he has at least 2 or 3.....that you wouldn't send to the shop for sweets.....
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 10 Dec 13 11:40
Tony Mullins is one of the most personable racing,widely popular and a great judge of a horse but he is not a trainer lacks the dedication.He is however a personal friend of Barry Connell which is why he gets the odd horse,the friendly match is another matter,an imposter who has been found out his business with a Carlow vet is going to do for him.
By:
kavvie
When: 10 Dec 13 11:45
paulie i agree to a certain extent re barry but he has talent for something..a very rich man. nh horses are his hobby.along with mick o leary and jp were lucky to have them irish racing would be on its knees but for them.if he wants danny thats his perogative.same as yer man that owns long run.puts up his son and fcuk the begrudgers..
By:
Arklearkle
When: 10 Dec 13 12:09
I dont wish to get into an argument on this one but ..... Barry Connell is entitled to put whoever he likes up on his horses. Mount Belbulben has had 10 chase runs and one could say he is a difficult ride. Danny has ridden him four times winning on him twice including a grade one win. Different jockeys rode him in his six other chase starts. Most of these were mickey mouse races and they could only win once one him.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 10 Dec 13 12:09
I dont wish to get into an argument on this one but ..... Barry Connell is entitled to put whoever he likes up on his horses. Mount Belbulben has had 10 chase runs and one could say he is a difficult ride. Danny has ridden him four times winning on him twice including a grade one win. Different jockeys rode him in his six other chase starts. Most of these were mickey mouse races and they could only win once one him.
By:
callitasucit
When: 10 Dec 13 12:33
You could look at this few ways. From O Connells perspective, he is obviously a decent, loyal sort, in it for the love of the game, who obviously has an affinity with the Mullins family, and is more than happy to have Danny riding all his horses.

From a punters perspective, in say the case of Our Conor, I think he could be upward of a 10lb disadvantage to the horse come CH day. There are a number of ways you wouldn't have to try to hard to envisage, for him being the reason he gets beat. The simplest, is will he have him jumping with anywhere near the same fluency?? From the punters perspective, he clearly wouldn't be the one to be on board, and as this hasn't been factored into the price as yet, I haven't backed him. With Cooper on board I would back him at current odds.

Danny did look a very promising pilot as a 7lb claimer winning feature races at the Galway festival years ago. But that is as far from a Champion Hurdle as you can get, and the anticipated progress has not been made. I dont think he has the intelligence or natural ability to be a top jockey, and unless Our Conor has a stone in hand, these deficiencies will be found out in the cauldron of the Champion hurdle.

A similar case , though not quite on as large a scale, would be William Buick. As a 7/5lb claimer, I had him down as a very promising jock for the future, one who spoke very intelligently, and hence would progress. This he has done, but like Mullins, when you get a top job, retained to a top owner or trainer, you need to rise to a different level, and he hasn't either. In my opinion in Buicks case, its lack of balls that is costing him(and consistently lately, The Fugue), in Dannys case, he just isn't good enough, with quite a few reasons being for that.

But we don't own the horses, so we don't choose who rides them. But we can choose not to back one because someone who we deem to be inept is on board. Everything has a price, and if you believe that Danny is a liability, until what you believe that liability to be, has been factored into the price, well then its a no bet. I hate lads giving out about a jock, whether it a lady rider, amateur etc, after a race, when you knew who was riding it, and their downfalls beforehand.
By:
kavvie
When: 10 Dec 13 12:54
still reckon cooper will ride it in ch hurd..
By:
Tolmi
When: 10 Dec 13 13:14
Having looked through this thread I've come to the conclusion that silver is slipping up.Where is his "its horses win races not jockeys" contribution?
By:
silvergreaser
When: 10 Dec 13 13:22
All jockeys make mistakes and that includes the big boys, but most of the time tolmi the best horse does win regardless and that is an undisputed fact, you simply can't make a slow horse go any faster.

The amount of times a jockey actually makes a difference is minimal so I never factor the jockey into my betting.
By:
Tolmi
When: 10 Dec 13 13:36
I'm only winding you up silver.While I am in agreement that the majority of the time the best horse wins it's the race where jockeys fail to appreciate that the pace is too fast/slow and are in the wrong position because of it that annoy me..Even worse you have the jockey who persists in going up the rails on the fancied horse in the 6th race on churned up winter ground with the first 5 races having been won by the horse racing widest.

Sometimes the best rides are those when the jockey does something small and it appears that he was on the best horse yet if he hadn't changed tactics mid race he would have been beaten.
By:
paulie wallnuts
When: 10 Dec 13 13:39
an excellent post by callitascuit.......a breath of fresh air for this place......somebody who can see it the way it is.....and theres other people saying barry Connell pays the piper.....that may be so....but that doesn't make it a nice song.....and what has his ability to make money got to do with anything.....he is clearly wealthy....but he isn't bad at throwing it away either......
By:
kavvie
When: 10 Dec 13 13:52
i agree again with you paulie..the point i was making is hes entitled to throw it away..silver in a race lik the ch hurdle a  good jockey is v important..surely even ou would concede that presenting a horse seeing a stride etc..one missed hurdle and ur fcuked usually.theres only 8 of them!
By:
paulie wallnuts
When: 10 Dec 13 14:07
yes kavvie......barry Connell is entitled to do as he pleases......perfectly entitled to use jockeys that nobody else would use at that level......perfectly entitled to use bum trainers......it is after all his loot......but in any game when you don't give yourself the best chance of being triumphant......you rarely are.....and I for one wont be sorry for him either......not that hes a bad fella or anything.....its just that he will get what his decisions deserve.......
By:
silvergreaser
When: 10 Dec 13 14:08
Mr Colin Magnier, Jimmy Frost and Philip Carberry all won champion hurdles kavvie.
By:
kavvie
When: 10 Dec 13 14:12
how many bad jockeys have lost one tho silver..hundreds
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