The Handicapper and Dermot Weld

Are his hands tied,he dropped him down to 70 this looks to me done specifically to get him into that Galway race.

I take your point and a drop of 2lb would have been very nice, but would he then simply have targeted him at another race?

Along Came Casey was one of my favourite races from 2 years ago. Beaten through sheer bad luck off 67.

you are right about tarfrasha.......he was stopped at leopardstown......in the end they made a small effort to win as teh fav wasnt much good and was coming back to them

A friend of my brother was talking to Noel O'Brien just before the Cheltenham festival and he thought the Mullins trained Tennis Cap was thrown in, he wasn't far wrong the horse had everything in trouble bar the eventual winner Ted Veale, if you took Ted out of the race the horse would've won in a canter, so he was pretty spot on, of course we all had a good ew bet on Tennis Cap.

Does anyone think that these handicappers often handicap the odd horse for their own benefit and some trainers benefit?.

Anyone remember the famous Curley horse I think it was Tusculum which dropped something in the region of 50lbs in just 4 runs?, virtually unheard of, the handicapper in question was asked to give another example of a horse to drop so much so quickly he could only give one example which was something like 5 years previously.

While I agree with some of what you said it it very difficult to assess potential improvement and indeed it is not within the handicapper's remit to do so.

However the silence of the stewards into the improvement of some of these well backed winners is deafening.If I had time I would love to find out the average improvement of DKW horses in Galway from their previous runs.

Two points.

1/ The handicapper is not allowed to bet.

2/ DK Weld is now on the Galway race commitee.

the game in UK and Ireland is not regulated.........thats the reality and it will never change because the prize money is not high enough (especially in britain) to force them to behave. other countries have a tote monopoly and higher prize money so the rules can then be enforced. we can keep going on about this and that but there is nothing that can be done.

There is indeed nothing to be done -and I can tell you here and now I'm going to do it.

hardly surprising that the opening thread was pulled.

do us a favour wildman: you might post a few of these handicap "good things" before they run in future?

In fairness he stated that he had missed it himself

RoyalAcademy I posted six or seven winners in a row on the previous handicap thread.

The point was about the handicapper dropping a horse three pound enabling him to qualify for a specific race at Galway,that the horse was trained by Dermot Weld was significant.

All race goers play spot the Weld horse getting ready for Galway from June onwards,I pointed out the ride Tarfrasha got at Leopardstown and it seems Dermot Weld is allowed do what he likes.

I have been saying the same as the OP for years. The big boys are playing at Goodwood. Dermot Weld is of little consequence in terms of top-class flat racing bar the odd good filly. Even then, the number of poor, small field quality pattern events in Ireland is astonishing.

how many horses has hamdan al maktoum given him.............lots........has he achieved anything with them? i cant think of many.

The Hamdan horses I'd forgive, they send their **** to Ireland and their best are not that good to begin with. He has done quite well with the Juddmonte horses, but the Reality is Famous Name would have been sold to some Mike DeKock owner if he was with Ballydoyle or be in Australia or North America if he was with Stoute or Gosden.

He has knocked a few Group 1's out of his fillies to be fair, but then, who cares?

I can't believe people are giving out about Wildmanfromborneo, we all know he's not the full shilling and that you must allow for him, his rants make no sense so i'm not sure why people get upset over them.

What some one need is to set up a site or blog for Borneo so that he can spout away to his hearts content, uncensored by the deadly liberal elite that stalk his every move and frustrate him at every turn.

Rocky, would you be able to spare one of your IT guys to put something together for him?

Any ideas for a name for the website/blog?

* what some one needs to do..

brief truce, refuse to bend and grey swallow are welds best horses.........not really champions are they.....compare this to bolger.......st jovite, teofilio, new approach, dawn approach...........all 4 not far off superstar status

I was just about to say the last good colt he had was Grey Swallow. I was only just getting interested in racing then to tell the truth.  Vinnie Roe was a grand horse, but staying races here are the same as NH racing really, grand sport but no one will want to stand the winner anywhere.

Excellent target trainer, but not a man I'd associate with top horses having seen what Oxx managed to do with STS and what AOB and amazingly Jim Boger seem to manage to do year in year out. I hope Michael Winters gets the Plaudits and horses that his double Galway hurdle victory deserves. I remember people creaming themselves over Ansar.

The two non racing non gambling members of the forum don't understand a thread about handicapping,no surprise there.

I think Dermot Weld is a great trainer but it seems he can do what he likes with regards Galway even getting the handicappers help to get Treasure The Ridge into a 50 to 70 race.

I think we'll call it www.AftertheRaces.com where he will explain why the winning horses of the day won, he will also explain how these trainer and owners cheated to get these good handicap marks and how it was so obvious. Remember at Crimbo when Willie told everybody to back his other horse as he did not want pressure on Patrick He'll have more content like that plus exclusive incoherent rants on his site. Also anybody who argues against any of these rants him will be blocked for not being gamblers.

The same connection (Treasure the Ridge)have a mark of 80 in the 50 to 80 in Magnolia Ridge tomorrow,they have been double lucky.

Loads argue against me and do it with rational argument,the Billy boys of the forum are incapable of rational debate and neither understand racing or gambling.

this is a very good thread.......it stimulates lots of noteworthy debate which this forum should be proud of.......unlike 99% of teh nonsense discussed on the horseracing forum.........please lads, dont start this personal crap on another thread........stick to teh issue.

Regarding the relationship between DKW & Galway,I think as DKW gets older his sights get lower & lower,the heady days of Go and Go and Vintage Crop and The Caretaker (amongst others) are like a distant memory and while Galway was always on his radar and a very important part of his racing year it's now the be all and end all of his season which is totally baffling.

"The billy boys"? There is no need for your sectarian comments Wildman in this day and age. Surely you don't have to stoop so low to either sectarianism or racism to try and win an argument and put people down? I know your frustrated and Ozy is destroying you time after time, maybe you're punch drunk from his virtual beatings and now i've pointed it out to you you'll apologise to Ozy and the rest of the forum for your poor choice of vocab used?! Btw please don't blame it on that over used thesaurus of you either !

You support Linfield but maybe you forgot that with your infamous low attention span.

You couldn't follow the thread, not unusual made no contribution to it,again not unusual and came on with Ozymandius not far behind with similar type posts.

Not a thing wrong with the OP's original post, entitled to query, thats why racing is such a closed shop horses can't talk, give me a David Walsh and Paul Kimmage any day and let the truth be known not deleted.

Apparently, I cannot understand the thread.

Can someone please help me.  Is there a hidden underlying meaning?  Are there inaccessible depths or unfathomable paradigms at play? 

I mistakenly thought this was a straightforward discussion of Dermot Weld and the handicapper that is rehashed at this time every year.  Apparently its a re-interpretation of Finnegan's Wake.

The handicapper dropped a horse trained by DKW 3 pounds thus enabling it to run in a specific race in Galway,I can't recall that happening before.

It wasn't a straight forward discussion and it proves that you and Rocketfingers didn't follow the thread,too busy trying to score points together and failing

I'm a Linfield fan as well Ozy my infamous low attention span must be very low

Bang on Punchestown, anyone like myself who has only been following racing the last 10 years is baffled that he his still held in such high esteem. Stoute has a few years without a good horse and the media are all over him, Weld hasn't had one since 2004.

stuccodor ran a good race today over an inadequate trip..........im convinced hes a group 2 horse over 10f.........wonder why mr weld runs him over 7

WMFB has got his facts wrong - Treasure the Ridge was rated 71 at the time of his last race at the Curragh , he was one pound out of the handicap and his jockey Leigh Roche carried a pound overweight so he appears to have run off a mark of 73 . The handicapper only dropped him a pound after his Curragh run - from 71 to 70.

Fair point STELLAR but the point was he dropped a horse trained by Dermot Weld that enabled it to get into a specific race in Galway.

WMFB , I am sure that there are horses rated 71 or 81 that are dropped every day of the week which enables their trainers to run in 0-80 or 0-70 or whatever and I am sure plenty of requests are made by trainers to the handicapper to that effect .If the handicapper thinks it is fair to do so , what is wrong with that ?

The handicapper handicaps by ratings not sight and is easily fooled.

We all know June and July are preparatory months for Weld with regard Galway,all his horses runs should be viewed with scepticism but for the handicapper to cooperate with Weld and let him into certain targeted races is not fair to other trainers.

The handicapper should use that old maxim If in doubt handicap him out.

We all know June and July are preparatory months for Weld with regard Galway,, Jesus that is sad for a world-class trainer.

horse racing is corrupt
you want to bet on it,go ahead.....

Jesus that is sad for a world-class trainer.

Since when was Weld World class?

Not a trainer in the world is world class the only thing that is world class in horse racing is the odd brilliant horse.