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I don't think the older horses are up to much this year,the prince of Wales at Ascot looked an unbelievably weak group 1 to me.
I would rate the race through the consistent Miblish who before this had been well beaten in two Group 3's(beaten 5 1/2 lengths here).
The runner up Mukhadram is at least a Group 3 winner(beating Main Sequence 1/2 length hardly boosts the form tho)and had been beaten off 105 in a handicap on his seasonal reappearance.
Al kazeem will be about even money to win this,I think in other seasons he would struggle to be competitive in Group 1s .
I would imagine the race will cut up to about 6/7 runners and it's surely a year ripe for 3 year olds to flourish(Epsom Derby form debatable now,interesting to see how the Curragh works out,but the milers seem decent.)
Mars has had a similar 3yo campaign to Rip Van Winkle and hopefully will go for this race because I think his third in the St.James Palace stakes is the strongest form and the 10 furlong trip looks ideal but will he run??
If you knew he was a definite runner, 8/1 with Coral(if you can get on) would be massive each way value (1/4 123).
I would rate the Fugue as a danger,she should improve for the run and Buick gave her a lot to do.
Very low liquidity on this on here but does anyone know AOB'S plans for the race
Mars -9.4
Declaration of war-38.0
Camelot-50.0
BOM-90.0
I would rate the race through the consistent Miblish who before this had been well beaten in two Group 3's(beaten 5 1/2 lengths here).
The runner up Mukhadram is at least a Group 3 winner(beating Main Sequence 1/2 length hardly boosts the form tho)and had been beaten off 105 in a handicap on his seasonal reappearance.
Al kazeem will be about even money to win this,I think in other seasons he would struggle to be competitive in Group 1s .
I would imagine the race will cut up to about 6/7 runners and it's surely a year ripe for 3 year olds to flourish(Epsom Derby form debatable now,interesting to see how the Curragh works out,but the milers seem decent.)
Mars has had a similar 3yo campaign to Rip Van Winkle and hopefully will go for this race because I think his third in the St.James Palace stakes is the strongest form and the 10 furlong trip looks ideal but will he run??
If you knew he was a definite runner, 8/1 with Coral(if you can get on) would be massive each way value (1/4 123).
I would rate the Fugue as a danger,she should improve for the run and Buick gave her a lot to do.
Very low liquidity on this on here but does anyone know AOB'S plans for the race
Mars -9.4
Declaration of war-38.0
Camelot-50.0
BOM-90.0
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your rating that race through the 5th placed runner miblish? forget about rating mukhadram through a line to main sequence,
the horse improved 14 lbs, your still rating the horse on the race with main sequence beating it 1/2 length. why didnt you
rate the prince of wales through 3rd placed the fugue an established gruop 1 performer that was beaten 3 1/4 lengths?
do you think the handicappers have taken into account the race was run 2.54 faster than standard. looked a visually weak
the horse improved 14 lbs, your still rating the horse on the race with main sequence beating it 1/2 length. why didnt you
rate the prince of wales through 3rd placed the fugue an established gruop 1 performer that was beaten 3 1/4 lengths?
do you think the handicappers have taken into account the race was run 2.54 faster than standard. looked a visually weak
AL KAZEEM OR 126 / MUKHADRAM OR 125 these ratings must be wrong according to your reading of that race.
I politely suggest that you look at what finished third in the Brigadier Gerard stakes(beaten 3 lengths),who was beaten 5 lengths in the prince of Wales(and you might figure out why I rated it through Miblish) ,so the exposed Miblish who has ran 16 times and been hammered multiple times in Group 3s has suddenly improved 10lbs??
The Fugue is a Group 1 Filly against her own sex (her first race against the colts),was beaten 6 lengths by in a group 2 at Ascot last year.
As for the times the ground was fast what do you expect??The first race on the Wednesday-a group 3 won by Gale force ten was run 2 seconds faster than standard and the queen mary was a second faster than standard.
If you think that wasn't a substandard Group 1-I suggest your in the wrong game.
The Fugue is a Group 1 Filly against her own sex (her first race against the colts),was beaten 6 lengths by in a group 2 at Ascot last year.
As for the times the ground was fast what do you expect??The first race on the Wednesday-a group 3 won by Gale force ten was run 2 seconds faster than standard and the queen mary was a second faster than standard.
If you think that wasn't a substandard Group 1-I suggest your in the wrong game.
the race was still 1.5 seconds faster then the gruop 3 race the next day, the clock does not lie, thats proven over and over again.
know this because tells you on the results page, time analysis. lots of professional gamblers use the times to assess the form.
your rubbishing a race, you think you know better then the handicappers, ive seen the race with my own eyes and know what they
are telling me. lots of people said the same about the dante form, that was proved wrong. miblish is improving thats why its running
in better races, what you saying now the horse has not been improving?
timeform ratings average group 1 performer 125 - 129
you still think mukhadram is a group 3 horse?
fugue had a fillies allowance in that race, still an established group 1 performer
that race was 1.5 seconds faster than the group 3 race for 3yo the next day.
mukhadram has gone up 24 lbs in last two races
know this because tells you on the results page, time analysis. lots of professional gamblers use the times to assess the form.
your rubbishing a race, you think you know better then the handicappers, ive seen the race with my own eyes and know what they
are telling me. lots of people said the same about the dante form, that was proved wrong. miblish is improving thats why its running
in better races, what you saying now the horse has not been improving?
timeform ratings average group 1 performer 125 - 129
you still think mukhadram is a group 3 horse?
fugue had a fillies allowance in that race, still an established group 1 performer
that race was 1.5 seconds faster than the group 3 race for 3yo the next day.
mukhadram has gone up 24 lbs in last two races
The thrust of my original post was that the older horses are weak this year and hence with the 1l lb weight for age allowance that a 3 year old gets in the eclipse,I wouldn't be taking a short price on Al Kazeem.
I was attempting to seek views on the likelyhood of Mars running but instead I find myself countering a smart alec response with smileys from some one that funds his gambling through his winnings from free tipster competitions.
I was attempting to seek views on the likelyhood of Mars running but instead I find myself countering a smart alec response with smileys from some one that funds his gambling through his winnings from free tipster competitions.
your the smart alec telling everyone the form of the race is crap, just giving my views on that race.
Of all the nutcases on here and there are quite a few,the roadrunner is out on his own. The thread that he started which has 46 replies all of which are his own,defies any kind of logic. I think nobody reads the rubbish he writes and quite obviously nobody cares. I quite agree with dj876,al kazeem is no more a top horse than the man in the moon,admittedly hes a good horse but not a real top group 1 animal. It is now crystal clear that Camelot is not the horse he was last year,and there are formlines now to suggest he wasn't even that good then. Quite obviously some group 1's are easier to win than others,and Al Kazeem has picked up a couple of ropey ones. When it comes to races like the Arc you can be certain that Al Kazeem wont be found,and again even in the Eclipse,bar its a dire race,he wont win that either.
you thought camelot would beat al kazeem 2nd time around cant take your views seriously non stop winners on my threads.
take a look
non stop winners on my threads.take a look
I didn't think Camelot would beat al kazeem second time round actually,had no bet in the race. Did think Camelot would win in the Curragh though but looking at that race,it was pretty evident that Camelot was now an ordinary horse. I have read some of your posts,and you don't need to read many to draw a concrete conclusion.
you know more about horse racing then me, why dont you start a thread, then i will judge if you know what you are talking about.
put up some notebook horses and tips in general. then we can see if your any good. thought LETHAL FORCE performed very well for
the top progeny of dark angel i tipped AL KAZEEM on this forum, must of missed that.
put up some notebook horses and tips in general. then we can see if your any good. thought LETHAL FORCE performed very well for
the top progeny of dark angel
i tipped AL KAZEEM on this forum, must of missed that.
HATRICK of group 1 wins AL KAZEEM, do you still think the form of that race is not upto much
just got to look at the last win, the horse is a battler, full of heart. the best horses have those qualitys.
see the fugue won the other day, i did tell you it was an established group 1 performer was a mares and filles race
was a mares and filles race
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