Dawn Approach Update

Thats very concise SG,jeez i might have been betting under a misapprehension all my life.

Copy and paste pa, like a lot of things in reading race form its far from foolproof just a gauge.

if the ground is genuinely good with no hint of soft in it then Cristoforo Colombo will do for me,A very decent animal who needs the ground in his favour to show his true colours.

Thanks for replies lads, think ill be sticking with Dawn Approach anyway. Looked a bit of a beast last year and by all accounts still looks the part.Hard to believe he won the first 2yo race of season and still looked to be progressing at Dewhurst time,not to mention what he achieved between times.

Turf time are not reliable at all, if you take the epsom derby times the great Shergar won by 10lenghs and his time[2.44] is the 2nd slowest in the last 80years only Teenoso 1983 is slower ..and that morning there was a downpour at epsom...for the record the fastest time i can find is Workforce [2.31].

I was very surprised to hear the Korals guy on tv the other day say he thinks they could both go off 7/4........I'd say no chance.... I think on the day Bolgers will be heavily punted, and could go off quite short............. Korals guy just trying to put people off the fav., maybe or some such trick.....

I am a little cautious about a horse that won so early in its two year old career, and has won at 5 furlongs.  That suggested to me early maturity.

So I did a little pedigree digging.  At this stage it is a little early to know much about the offspring of Dawn Approach's sire, New Approach, as he only went to stud in 2009. New Approach had no problems winning at the top level as a 3yo.  How New Approach's offspring do as 2yo, 3yo .... don't know .... not enough data yet.

I looked at the Dawn Approach's dam, Hymn Of The Dawn, trained by Jim Bolger.  She ran five times in 2001 and 2002 without success.  He best run was her first run as a 2-y-o, 4th over 6f, "Led, ridden and headed 2f out, 4th and no extra final furlong". That is not much help, but hints at early maturity.

So I looked at Hymn Of The Dawn's sire, Phone Trick (1982).  The Blood-Horse 1996 stallion register has a page on Phone Trick, but is is not easy to assess if he is a better sire of 2-y-0 or 3-y-o+ from the stats (1988-93: runners 239; winners 151; 2yo winners 51).  What is interesting is when I look at the record for Phone Trick's sire son Caller ID in the 2003 stallion register is it lists the best offspring of Phone Trick in order of importance (?): Favourite Trick (Horse Of The Year and champion 2yo colt; Breeders Cup Juvenile G1); Phone Chatter (champion 2yo filly; Breeders Cup Juvenile Fillies G1); Caller One: champion older male in UAE (8 lifetime wins at 6f, 2 at 7f, 0 from 1 at 8f).

I decided to check my copy of the book "Dosage: Pedigree & Performance" by Steven A Roman to see if he had anything to say about Phone Trick.  He has Phone Trick listed not as a chef-de-race (top stallion) by does list him under in Non-Chef-De-Race Sires as "Aptitudinal Guidelines" and classes Phone Trick as "Dominant Speed".  Other categories are Intermediate Speed, Balanced Speed, Intermediate Stamina, Dominant Stamina.  Phone Trick is not listed / classified in Broodmare Sires.
Steven Roman also has a section "Sire Influences For Early Maturity": Superior; Above Average; Average; Below Average; Poor.  Phone Trick is listed as "Superior" for Early Maturity".
In "Sire Influences For Turf Ability" Phone Trick is listed as "Poor".  Note that these are sire listings (offspring likely ability) not broodmare listings.  Phone Trick is Dawn Approach's broodmare sire.

Confused?

An early season 2yo that was unbelievably impressive on the opening day of the season last year.There is a fair chance that he hasn't as  much scope for improvement and the others will have improved a lot.

I thought Toronado was very impressive in the Craven and as previously mentioned on thread O'brien's son of the Henrythenavigator is a serious player if he gets good ground.

I am not sure I would be a layer(unless the ground is good or better)but 11/8 on a horse that was an early season 2yo winning the opening classic on his seasonal debut??No thanks.

dj876, did you not think Dawn Approach was impressive in the Dewhurst ?, remember (while I respect your opinion), as far as I am aware Toronado is not a group 1 winner, and therein lies the reason why Bolgers is fav. Its a big step up for Toronado. Also JIM is the real deal as regards having one spot on for the big day........

Ya he was impressive enough Jay beating a horse who broken his maiden tag on his tenth attempt,but the third horse did frank the form in Santa Anita.

I wouldn't take a short price on any 3yo making his seasonal debut after being so physically forward on his 2yo debut-looked a pure 2yo to me and there has to be major doubt about how much more physically he could have improved.

No doubting Jim Bolger's credentials but he has never trained the winner of this race and recent impressive 2yos such as St. nick have being turned over in this(trained by AOB who has won the race 6 times).

Dawn approach could win easily no doubt but personally I couldn't take 11/8 on 2yo form.

The race is cutting up a bit but I saw Dawn Approach in all his Curragh victories and to me he won't train on.

All winter I was expecting a bogus injury and then off the stud with all the what would have beens,sadly for me that hasn't happened so the sweat goes on.

As has already been said on here ,I also find it hard to believe he can win the gns ...He was no doubt a smashing horse at two , A friend of mine tried to buy him for stallion duties before he ran at naas , that's how impressed he was with him after a few runs ..Jim refused the offer .He would be the first horse i'd say in the history of racing to win the first 2yo race of the season and go on and win a gns ...What he has going for him is , there is no real stand out horse apart from himself ...The stats are all against him ....Buckets of ice needed till after 4 pm sat Wildmanfromborneo...

this horse is a exception imo..the hannon horse is his only threat..i agree that he is no value but thats cos it looks a 2 horse race..i take the point about him winning so early on in the season but he still won well in his last race..you normally get a vibe about a horse training on....and all the signs are that bolger is super confident the horse has...im happy with 11/8...

Opposition is weak, and he looks the part, doesn't have to improve to win it, and I guess owners could do with a shot in the arm....  Toronado is just a Gr.2 winner, and beat his stable companion in the Craven,so I will have the buckets of ice with the champers, as Im on DA.............................

Tony , this will be some training feat , if he does win that is...over the years i've seen horses touted as superstars as 2 yos ,only for them to come up short in their 3yo season when others have caught up with them physically ....So hes no good thing by my reckoning ...All the best with that bet though...

The same applies to you JAY..good luck with your bet......

The problem for me is he doesn't look the part,he was a precocious two year old that towards the end of the season was showing signs of temperament
The race cutting up is probably good news as he is a layers price,I have laid him ante post but not alone intend laying him again but place laying him.

If he loses I should take a holiday but if he wins I will have to take a holiday.

All in.

Wildman ,what prices have you laid him at?Don't become blind sided and think DA winning isn't possible.

Only Mugs go all in(even though I know you don't mean this literally)Slowly,slowly catchy Monkey.

I can think of better 8/11 shots than this not winning,eg St.Nick to win the Coronation Cup @1.95

I thought ya gave up the pink button anyhow?

All rates from fives down

Even if this lay is successful I doubt if I will be doing it again,I laid the OBrien horse Recital last year but even though I collected it cost me as my money was tied up for ages,the same has happened here.

i understand what your saying workrider..but the trainer seems very hopeful..his record speaks for itself..and i do think only hannons will put it up to him...so i see were the layers are coming from at the prices..but form says hes well ahead(if trained on)..
fair play to you wildman..your backing your judgement thats whats its all about..although may i ask the temperament he showed?..

His last run tony ..He clearly showed signs of having had enough of it for the season at least ....Thats what got me thinking ...Maybe he wont train on...

Still think Cristoforo Colombo is the one to be with if and only if its genuine good ground,

Henrythenavigator was himself beaten a few times in his 2yo career before winning the Guineas on his 3yo debut beating none other than New approach,This has all the hallmarks of a repeat as the son of Henrythenavigator will be beating the son of New approach

No French dark horse, no Aidan talk of the next wonder horse but I'll guarantee at least one of his will be bang there at the business end?, his horses have been pretty forward this year from the get go.

Hannons challengers are never usually faraway, Trumpet Major 4th last year, Dubawi Gold chased home Frankel at a distance, and in 2010 Dick Turpin and Canford Cliffs were 2nd and 3rd behind Makfi, make no mistake about it Toranado is a huge danger to the fav.

As for Dawn Approach? he won't want for fitness thats a fact, but remains to be seen if he is still ahead of his peers as lot can happen from 2 to 3.

Moohajim might be worth a 2nd look if the ground comes up on the fast side?, travelled like a dream in the Greenham before not quickening on the soft ground, the trip is an unknown but fastish ground will certainly help to get over that hurdle.

Sitting on the fence for this one, race to savour rather than bet on.

the way poor old tony is going ,he wont have a bean to back dawn approach.i will be laying it.

Chuckle at people thinking it's between 'the fav and 2nd fav'

Your local bookies will welcome you with open arms!

I did say in my earlier post that Dawn Approach's sire, New Approach, has not enough runners yet to assess the distance and going preferences of his offspring.

From the Racing Post:
Heavy 1/6 (17%)
Soft 5/21 (24%)
Gd-Sft 8/21 (38%)
Good 6/25 (24%)
Gd-Fm 1/18 (6%)
The RP do not separate Good/Firm and Firm.

The numbers are small, and Dawn Approach's six runs/wins are part of those numbers, but the numbers suggest they like it on the soft side of good.

Big Drift-Won't start favourite,ground is currently good to firm.

There will be avalanche of money for Christoforo Colombo @ 9.4-These sons of Henry the navigator are completely different prepositions on fast ground.

traders are the main reason for the drift and with his run style he will trade a fair bit bigger in running if I had he backed I wouldn't be worried

Tips that makes no sense any longer(it did once) because of the lack of liquidity in running.
He's drifting because of the ground.

Surely not many can win this race,the fourth favourite is trained by Richard Fahey and if he ever trains a winner of a classic i will retire from betting. On top of that they have some North Of England journeyman on it. The ground is definitely some concern for Dawn Approach,it would appear to me that he may have a better chance with an ease .

punters who are on at bigger prices are trading out as they are worried about the ground and if you haven't backed him already they are waiting for a in running price

Why would you want to back him in running ? Would you like to back him when he is about to lose maybe ?. Do you think that people that play in running never saw him running before ?. If dawn approach goes to 5 or 6/1 in running his real price will be 1000/1.

A dutch of CC and Toronado works out at 5/4 on here(after commission if you're not on PC)rather than a straight lay of DA @ 1/2.

I would wait to see the betting regarding the Coolmore horses dj876,the market has to be a good guide with regards to them. Saying that its hard to see how Joseph O Brien wont be on the correct one. If there is a rag with an outside chance it might be Van Der Neer,hes obviously the stable neglected but he looks a goodish horse in his own right and they have a good jockey booked.

did they not know his run style in the Dewhurst?he traded much bigger if memory serves me right

And what price do you put him in at then tips?. I would gladly give anybody who wants it 10/1 that its matched to a four figure sum at 5/1 and wins.

Traded at 2/1 in the dewhurst(don't know for how much)Bsp of 1.28.I think Jimeen's point is if you keep putting in running lays blind it will cost you in the long run.

With neopotism the driving force behind Coolmore/Ballydoyle these days less and less of of their supposed 2nd and 3rd strings will be winning, just a continuance of a trend thats been taking root since Joseph was given the hot seat.

Ya ur right SG and with the ground coming right for him I'd be confident that they think CC is their No.1. but Rock of Gibralter beat Hawk Wing (and Spencer)in this a few years ago.

I didn't like the way Mars worked at the Curragh.
Christoforo Colombo will be a different animal on better ground,he is absolutely ground dependant.
Ground won't matter to Dawn Approach,the lack of a run and the possibility of him not training on are what will beat him

Place lay him as well.

You're sounding very confident today Wildmanfromborneo....I think you have a great chance of winning that lay....

Wildman,Fair enough DA has won a few times on good ground but can't believe you're saying ground won't matter to him.His running style suggest he is a grinder rather than a horse who quickens.The stepping up in trip argument is eroded because most juveniles who need 7f need a lot further as 3yos.

IMO Ground is the most crucial factor outside bare form and have no doubt this fast ground is a massive negative for Dawn Approach.

     DATE    RACE CONDITIONS    WGT    RACE OUTCOME    JOCKEY    OR    TS    RPR
    13Oct12       Nmk 7GS C12yG1 170K    9-1    1/6 (2¾L Leitir Mor 9-1) 30/100F    Kevin Manning    —    *    *
    15Sep12       Cur 7Y 2yG1 96K    9-3    1/7 (4¾L Designs On Rome 9-3) 2/5F    Kevin Manning    115    *    *
    19Jun12       Asc 6Gd C12yG2 48K    9-1    1/22 (¾L Olympic Glory 9-1) 7/2    Kevin Manning    —    *    *
    04Jun12       Naa 6Gd/Y 2yL 32K    9-3    1/6 (2¾L Mister Marc 9-3) 4/9F    Kevin Manning    —    *    *
    16May12       Naa 6Gd/Y 2y 8K    9-7    1/6 (5½L Canary Row 9-7) 4/6F    Kevin Manning    —    *    *
    25Mar12       Cur 5Y 2y 10K    9-5    1/8 (1¾L Canary Row 9-5) EvensF    Kevin Manning    —    *    *

"DA has won a few times on good ground"

Frank I am well aware of the ground he has won on(Did you really think none of us no what ground he has run on???)

he won despite of it because he was so physically ahead of the rest of the 2yos

Have a look at a few of the videos there and look at his style of victories and tell me fast ground has enhanced his chances??

toronado is a back to lay and dawn approach is a lay to back,two totally different run styles if pushed I think toronado will win

My saying ground won't matter is because its the not training on and first run of the year that I think will beat him.

I accept your point about the ground but his action suggests better ground not a problem,I think he showed signs of temperament last year.

Can a High Chaparral really win a Guineas?

Wildmanfromborneo,not training on is a nonsense , just as not having a run is another load of rubbish. That training on crapp is a load of old tosh,who was the last guineas favourite not to train on?,and as for not having a run,nowadays with the top trainers it could be considered just as much a negative having a run than not having one.
Why cant a high chapparal not win a guineas?, last year the same old bull was being thrown around about Montjeu,next year it will be someone else. People get caught up in nonsense statistics much too often,another one i read was Bolger never trained the winner of the 2000 gns as being some sort of negative,and Hughes never rode a classic winner,thats another beauty.

Apalachee and Try My Best both trained by Vincent OBrien are two that spring to mind.

I saw Dawn Approach in all his Curragh wins and he looked like a precocious two year old to me,they ran him in the opening two year old race of the year which meant they thought the same.

He was trained last year with the sole purpose of selling him to the Sheikh,I don't believe Bolger when he says all this stuff about working brilliant,I still think there is a chance of a shock announcement that he has picked up some injury and will be retired forthwith.

I also think he showed signs of temperament towards the end of last season.

Dawn Approach is Group 1 winner, so the others have to step up, and thats never easy to do. Walter Swinburn reckons the fact that he's won atNewmarket, is worth 7lbs to him..... because of the undulations etc.....how many lengths is 7lbs....

The examples of not training on you give while they may be accurate,they are obviously many moons ago. Nowadays not training on is rarely an issue,it isnt even mentioned to be honest. Im not so sure it was a precocious sort either,a bit like the horse they had for the same race this year,it was a 7f 2yo running in a 5f race. The drying ground is its biggest worry i would have thought,if its not a worry then anybody who lays will be in a bit of bother.

toronado has won at Newmarket as well

Although you might find it hard to believe jimeen , some of us still believe that certain horses have an edge as a 2yo over their later developing mates ....I agree with Wildmanfromborneo and think he's very beatable ...I'm sure you read the r/post etc , Delamere and others like him have huge success backing horses from their stats ..So stats do have a bearing on peoples decision to have a bet ...

JayTrumpOldTomDubbl
Dawn Approach is Group 1 winner, so the others have to step up, and thats never easy to do. Walter Swinburn reckons the fact that he's won atNewmarket, is worth 7lbs to him..... because of the undulations etc.....how many lengths is 7lbs....

You are correct.  George Vancouver is a Grade 1 winner.  And on firm.

Exactly workrider there has been plenty of examples of top 2yo's not cutting the mustard at 3, its not a case of them not training on but a case of others maturing catching them up and passing them by.

Ok, I've backed George Vancouver

I like to look at the background of horses.
On pedigreequery.com you can see the progeny of horses.

Offspring of VERSAILLES TREATY BY Danzig, dam of George Vancouver
Horse_________________________Year____Sire___________________Record____Earnings
DIKTAT * (USA)________________1995____COXS RIDGE_____________?-?-?-?____Unraced
REPARATIONS (USA)_____________1996____FORTY NINER___________11-1-1-0____$38,590
RHINELAND (USA)_______________1997____MR PROSPECTOR__________?-?-?-?____Unraced
CONFLICTED (USA)______________1998____UNBRIDLED______________0-0-0-0____Unraced
SAARLAND (USA)________________1999____UNBRIDLED_____________21-5-5-1____$595,250
NEGOTIATION (USA)_____________2000____CORONADOS QUEST_______37-3-3-9____$113,704
SUPREME COUNCIL (USA)_________2003____RAHY__________________11-0-4-0____$29,270
PALAIS VERSAILLES (USA)_______2004____PULPIT_________________?-?-?-?____Unraced
SIREN SERENADE (USA)__________2006____UNBRIDLEDS SONG_______10-M-4-1____$49,217
PROVENCE (USA)________________2007____EMPIRE MAKER___________4-0-0-0____$3,350
VERSAILLES SONG (USA)_________2008____UNBRIDLEDS SONG________6-2-0-0____$41,354
GEORGE VANCOUVER (USA)_______2010____HENRYTHENAVIGATOR______7-2-1-1____£442,527

* (not the UK sire Diktat)

Offspring of HYMN OF THE DAWN by Phone Trick, dam of Dawn Approach
Horse_________________________Year____Sire___________________Record_____Earnings
FAINNE (IRE)_________________2004____PEINTRE CELEBRE_________?-?-?-?____
COMADOIR (IRE)_______________2006____MEDECIS________________29-2-7-5____£20,668
OMADOIR______________________2006____MEDECIS_________________?-?-?-?____
WAKE ME UP (IRE)_____________2007____ROCK OF GIBRALTAR_______?-?-?-?____
DAWN APPROACH (IRE)_________2010____NEW APPROACH____________6-6-0-0____£366,188
PRUDENT APPROACH_____________2011____NEW APPROACH____________?-?-?-?____

http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/classics/2013/2013_2000_guineas_preview.htm

Workrider,of course later developing 2yo's might catch up with their mates at 3,but not in an early season classic they wont do. In fact late developing 2yo's normally dont even contest the 2000 guineas. Stats to me are a load of tosh as are any ratings bar the official ones,times are another nonsense that i wouldnt pay heed to. Give me an accurate going description anyday and do the best you can after that.
As for Gerard Delamere, i would imagine that the thing he would be most successful at is cashing his  wage cheque every week,you seriously dont think that if you followed him,that you would make money.

Agree with you there jimeen Delamere wouldnt tip a paper cup.

I was in PP THIS EVENING AND FOR AN HOUR between 6 and 7oc THEY OFFERED 9/4 Dawn Approach ,,I think the right price is 7/4 so i could,nt let 9/4 go,...i just hope he trained on.

I have layed this fellow ....hopefully i am vindicated shortly after 4pm tomorrow....

Jimeen i think you are slightly missing the point ....the early season classic you refer to is now upon us  , The point i'm making is , DA , showed by winning the first 2yo race of the year that he was forward , unlike the horses who came out later in the season and went on to contest races like the dewhurst r/post etc , Of course these horses were forward enough to do themselves justice , but with that experience behind them they would come into their own as 3 yos ...The crux of the situation is , The horses DA beat last year would be more progressive as 3 yos , whereas DA would not be as progressive having done most of his winning while having a little more maturity than his fellow combatants ...It will all unravel tomorrow no doubt...

Dawn Appr., huge price now..............

A more recent example for Jimeen would be the Aidan OBrien trained filly Maybe.i created a thread nearly two years ago entitled " Maybe Won't Train On " she didn't.

There are a few reasons why a horse won't train on
A fast precocious two year old with little scope for improvement
Over trained
Too closely bred
One given medical help

With regards Dawn Approach the first two reasons are definitely applicable.

Now is the time to get your laying boots on and indulge in a bit of place laying as well

Workrider,i think you are underestimating what racehorse trainers,particularly the top trainers can do nowadays. Do you realise that Dawn Approach had a midsummer break,he didnt race at all for nearly 3 months. Training methods have moved on and this training on nonsense is a whole load of tosh,as is early season 2yo's not being any good at 3. The point is and it is quite obvious too,Dawn Approach is so much better than a normal early season 2yo,as is their 2yo this year.
Wildmanfromborneo,how do you know he has little scope for improvement ?,maybe he wont need to improve from last year at all. As for him being over trained,its Jim Bolger that has it,he is one of the best trainers in Europe for gods sake. As for maybe,well as you well know fillies are so much more difficult to figure out than colts,so thats a poor example in my book. Good luck with your lay,i myself wouldnt like to get involved either way,i definitely dont think its a  strong lay though. Id be surprised if one of the front 2 dont win it,but im not betting.

Agree with you about the brilliance of Jim Bolger but I think he over trained him in order to sell him

The point about scope for improvement was done by sight

I have never seen an early two year old win a classic never mind the winner of the opening two year old race of the season,doubt if I will see it today either.

wasn't going to have a bet in the race, but cant get away from match bet hills have, CC to bt garswood at 4/5. CC has its ground, form is on another level, just seems to good to be true!

i backed da first time it won.its a horse thats hard figure.always looks like its gonna be swallowed up a furlong out..but finds more.bolger seems to be very bullish on that clip...n

With Kingsbarns struggling for The Derby.

Looking towards a decent run from Mars, as much as I had my doubts last year it doesn't look a particulary strong group this year.

No bet in it for me,agree with others above the ground would have me worried if i was after backing Dawn Approach.

Has he trained on
Has he a temperament problem
Was he over trained last year
Will the lack of a run count against him
Has the ground gone against him
Can a horse who was winning in March of his two year old career really win a classic
Dewhurst form is poor beating Leitir Mor and a ground hating George Vancouver
He might not like the track

Eight good reasons to lay

For me its now got to the name of a decent poster on here

JUST SAW HIM  ON TV BEEN BROUGHT OVER TO THE STABLES , looks really well in all fairness ...still a lay for me...he looks as if he's grown ...

I think Dont Bother Me will run above himself and think he will beat Dawn Approach

dawn approach and van deer neer for me gl all

The rain and the money has arrived for Dawn Approach.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

BRILLIANT ..SIMPLY BRILLIANT ...NO MORE TO SAY...

What a performance.


He chewed them up and spat them out.

class act that horse, first time ive seen it, looks good. nice coat

different class.....what a horse

Demolition job

just outclassed them a class apart and travelled like a dream

Well done Jim

WD Jim Bolger--4.0 on here for Epsom

LOL....forum classic stuff from the ultimate guesser....dj876........cheltenham and now newmarket.....

says Richters who got cleaned on the voice last Sunday,Gl mate

Superstar, some horse.

He has trained on
He acted on the ground
No temperament problems there
Looks an exceptional horse


thats the end of that

fair play wildman...
get on for the derby!

Impressive !

I had my doubts, matured to early. standout form in the book, and the horse looks exceptional.wd jim

Big Drift-Won't start favourite,ground is currently good to firm.

There will be avalanche of money for Christoforo Colombo @ 9.4-These sons of Henry the navigator are completely different prepositions on fast ground..


hurricane fly,grandouoet,long run and now dawn approach.......Bingo halls for you me thinks dj

Jim Bolger,(great trainer), knew he had the best horse and just wanted a clean run race, the rain was a bonus......Kevin Manning is a fair pilot, and one cool chap.

frankalsoran60     03 May 13 20:54  
I was in PP THIS EVENING AND FOR AN HOUR between 6 and 7oc THEY OFFERED 9/4 Dawn Approach ,,I think the right price is 7/4 so i could,nt let 9/4 go,...i just hope he trained on.
happy days     

THE Racing journalists wont be to pleased with  Claire baldwin asking Sheikh Mohammed personel questions only 30secs in to his interview for the after the race celebrations, he walked away so she did,nt get to ask him any questions about the future for D.W.  ..THERES A TIME AND A PLACE TO ASK THE RIGHT questions CLAIRE

should of had crack at the tricast, both my selections were placed in the race. no one seemed interested in
trying to find the 1-2-3. shame really  because it paid £2980. could of landed that for 22 bets
my selections were dawn approach and van deer neer.

What a performance, a seriously good horse.

Looked a proper tank today - more impressive than last yr

Delighted for connections

Worth taking note when Jim Bolger is positive about one .....unlike the lad with the shades

Hope everybody took note of Jim's wise words in the interview. Looks as tho Dawn Approach only has to turn up at Epsom, that's after he completes the Guineas double :)

A very unassuming man is Jim well done to the stable,[ nice to see kevin manning son putting his arms around his dad;] D.A has come a long way since i saw him at naas last season..and a lot more to come.

Enjoy the horse, don't anyone give me Jim Bolger as a "HUMAN BEING", it really costs nothing to be a human being?