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23 Feb 13
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The two young men who died fighting in Syria lived for a time in Ireland but certainly weren't Irish as is being claimed.
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Were those the sentiments that you were trying to express, Borneo?
Wildman can you put more substance to this this story, too busy looking at how my horse and football bets were getting on to worry about the world around me?
Its a tragedy, greaser. Couple of young Irish Muslim lads from Navan and Drogheda respectively killed out in Syria.
Jaysus Borneo, this is a callous new low even for a man with a racist track record like yours. These poor Muslim lads lived in Ireland sine they were 5.
These teenagers are tragically killed and your are pedantically muntering on about misuse of English.
Shame on you.
These teenagers are tragically killed and your are pedantically muntering on about misuse of English.
Shame on you.
Are we talking about something similar to the toe curling Kenny type speech ref Magadalene sisters, you know the one one that had crocodile tears for their plight, oh Enda I think you just bought at least 200,000 votes after yet another phoney performance from a politician?.
We're these people involved with the most dangerous suspicion in the world ie "ISLAM" ?
We're these people involved with the most dangerous suspicion in the world ie "ISLAM" ?
Gentlemen, please bow your heads in prayer and join together in offering up the following;
‘O Allah, forgive Irish Muslims Shamseddin Gaidan and Hudhaifa El Sayed, elevate their status among the guided people, and look after the Irish family that they left behind. O Lord of the universe, forgive us and them, comfort him in his grave, and lighten his stay, To Allah we belong and to Him we return.’
Amen.
‘O Allah, forgive Irish Muslims Shamseddin Gaidan and Hudhaifa El Sayed, elevate their status among the guided people, and look after the Irish family that they left behind. O Lord of the universe, forgive us and them, comfort him in his grave, and lighten his stay, To Allah we belong and to Him we return.’
Amen.
These poor Muslim lads were Jihadists that went into another country to fight,the fact they lived in Ireland for a while is worrying.
Your false concern and sympathy doesn't impress me as you knew neither of them.
Your false concern and sympathy doesn't impress me as you knew neither of them.
These poor Muslim lads were Jihadists that went into another country to fight,the fact they lived in Ireland for a while is worrying.
Substitute 'Catholic' for 'Muslim' and you could be talking about Richters.
Substitute 'Catholic' for 'Muslim' and you could be talking about Richters.
They died fighting for a cause they believed in fighting against an oppressive regime !
For a man who ridicules religion often , Who also seems intent on making homosexuality a HUGE part of any debate , I don't think the islamic people will take kindly to what is a piss take of their religion ....OZY , if anyone on here is making a fool of themselves its you ...leave those lads to rest in peace ....At least show them some respect ......
Rebel songs are being sung in their honour in Kebab shops up and down the country.
Whatever about dying for a cause it should at least be your own.
Silvergreaser you are not alone in thinking Enda Kenny was acting as his first instincts were to believe the report but when all the emotionalism kicked in he swiftly changed tack and joined in with the tears.
Silvergreaser you are not alone in thinking Enda Kenny was acting as his first instincts were to believe the report but when all the emotionalism kicked in he swiftly changed tack and joined in with the tears.
Without sounding racist but forgive me if we don't act now our childrens future problems won't be the bank debt but the unstoppable force of the evil that is Islam.
How can people be so effing ignorant?
Ban all contraceptives in western countries we need to breed again to offset the greatest evil the world was ever confronted with.
I'm not faithful but for those of you who are please multiply!.
How can people be so effing ignorant?
Ban all contraceptives in western countries we need to breed again to offset the greatest evil the world was ever confronted with.
I'm not faithful but for those of you who are please multiply!.
Well said wonky, I also have no idea why Borneo is nit-picking about use of English when such an awful tragedy has occured.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that they are gay as well as being Muslim so I take it we can rely upon you support in remembering their sacrifice?
I don't think anyone is suggesting that they are gay as well as being Muslim so I take it we can rely upon you support in remembering their sacrifice?
Much simpler solution close down their mosques and don't give them welfare,nearly all Imams in Britain and France are dole drawers.
" awful tragedy " this is a perfect example of this misuse of language.
OZY ,i suspects you are showing your true colors now.....Shameful to say the least , At your most decrepit , and i'm no lover of islam ...Your last few post would shame the devil....
Are you calling for a 'Spanish Inquistion' style purge on all religions other than your own? Or just Muslims?
unwilling to except our way of living, yet want to colonise us and then have the neck to suggest their medieval ways should be excepted in our secular society and the liberal left give this evil a voice?, spare me!
Just Muslims because its a barbaric religion intent on destroying Western culture and wiping us out as to them we are the infidel.
workrider, speaking of misuse of English, kindly respectfully award Islam a capital 'I'.
Ozymandius 23 Feb 13 23:20
Rebel songs are being sung in their honour in Kebab shops up and down the country.
Talk about taking the piss ....i hope the moderator has a look at that ...shameful....
Rebel songs are being sung in their honour in Kebab shops up and down the country.
Talk about taking the piss ....i hope the moderator has a look at that ...shameful....
Just Muslims because its a barbaric religion intent on destroying Western culture and wiping us out as to them we are the infidel.
I believe Adolf Hitler said something similar about the Jewish Race. Are you proposing a 'Final Solution'?
I believe Adolf Hitler said something similar about the Jewish Race. Are you proposing a 'Final Solution'?
Have no doubt London will be under Sharia law within the next twenty years,we can see which way things are going yet our politicians are trying to appease these people,it won't work.
Get your daughter home to safety while there is still time, Borneo.
Tis the Muslims want a final solution they want to kill all Jews,all I want is the Religion to be banned here,I don't want to kill anyone although a fair few of them would want to kill me for my views.
Lads remember these are two young 16 year old lads that lost their lives, they're just kids, have some respect please.
Are you referring to 'Fundamentalist Muslims' when you say 'Muslims' or do you see them all as equal threat?
No final solution ozy, the muslims themselves as people have to be saved from their own ignorance, they're following a religion that is simply evil and I can't stress the word EVIL because thats all it teaches.
really gresaer, how familiar with the teachings of Islam are you?
I take that point but feel the fundamentalists will win out..
I have grandchildren in London and I am frightened for them,I have long been worried about the transformation of London but my last trip their left me fair shook.
I have grandchildren in London and I am frightened for them,I have long been worried about the transformation of London but my last trip their left me fair shook.
I know what you mean. Between the gays, the Muslims, and the blacks there are bogey men every where you look in London. I am not surprised that you were 'fair shook'.
The West sighed in relief when Rimsha Masih, the 14-year-old Christian girl arrested in Pakistan on August 16 for allegedly burning pages of the Quran, was finally released. Yet the West remains clueless concerning the graphic abuses—including rape and murder—Christian children in Pakistan routinely suffer, simply for being Christian. Consider two stories alone, both of which occurred at the same time Rimsha’s blasphemy ordeal was making headlines around the world.
On August 14, another Christian girl, 12-year-old Muqadas Kainat (which means “Holy Universe”) was ambushed in a field near her home in Sahawil by five Muslim men who “gang raped and murdered” her. At the time, her father was at a hospital visiting her sick mother. He and other family members began a frantic search, until a tip led them to the field where his daughter’s body lay. The postmortem revealed that she had been “gang raped and later strangled to death by five men.” Police, as usual, did not arrest anyone. As a Salem News report puts it, “Complicating matters is the fact that several Christian girls in this remote area have been raped and forced to both marry into the Muslim community and abandon their own religion, human rights groups report. … [T]here is a history in this part of Pakistan according to the Christian community, of local authorities failing to investigate cases of rape or other violence against Christians, often for fear of influential Muslims or militants.”
Similarly, on August 20, an 11-year-old Christian boy, Samuel Yaqoob, went to the markets of Faisalabad to buy food for his family, never to return. According to Wilson Chowdhry, Chairman of the British Pakistani Christian Association, “After extensive searching his body was found near a drain in the Christian colony, bearing marks of horrific torture, with the murder weapon nearby. His nose, lips and belly had been sliced off, and his family could hardly recognize him because the body was so badly burnt. Some 23 wounds by a sharp weapon have been identified in the autopsy. When sending his body for an autopsy, police raised the possibility of sodomy. Parts of Pakistani culture have a strong homosexual pederast culture, and Christian and other minority boys are especially susceptible to rape and abuse because of the powerlessness of their community and their despised status. In one case fairly recently, a Christian boy was kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed by a police officer, his body similarly being dumped in a drain.”
These were just some of the stories concerning the sexual abuse and murder of Pakistan’s Christian children that occurred last August—even as the world stood in awe at the Rimsha Masih blasphemy case. Here are ten more anecdotes, chosen at random from the many former documented cases:
1. Nisha, a 9-year-old Christian girl, was abducted by Muslims, gang-raped, murdered by repeated blows to her head, and then dumped into a canal (May 2009).
2. Gulfam, another 9-year-old Christian girl, was raped by a Muslim man. Though not killed, she was left “in shock and in the throes of a physical and psychological trauma.” During her ordeal, her rapist told her “not to worry because he had done the same service to other young Christian girls” (Dec. 2010).
3. Lubna, a 12-year-old Christian girl, was kidnapped, gang-raped, and murdered by a group of Muslims (Oct. 2010).
4. Kidnapped last Christmas Eve, a 12-year-old Christian girl known as “Anna,” was gang raped for eight months, forcibly converted and then “married” to her Muslim attacker. After she escaped, instead of seeing justice done, “the Christian family is in hiding from the rapists and the police” (Oct, 2011).
5. After gang-raping a 13-year-old Christian girl, a band of Muslims came to her house when all male members were away working and “mercilessly” beat her pregnant aunt causing her to lose female twins to miscarriage: “They murdered our children, they raped our daughter. We have nothing left with us,” lamented an older family member. The police went on to accuse the 13-year-old raped girl of “committing adultery with three men” (June 2012).
6. A Muslim man murdered a teenage Christian girl, Amariah, during an attempted rape: he had “grabbed the girl and, under the threat of a gun, tried to drag her away. The young woman resisted, trying to escape the clutches of her attacker, when the man opened fire and killed her instantly, and later tried to conceal the corpse” (Dec. 2011).
7. Muslims abducted a 14-year-old Christian girl, Mehek, at gunpoint in broad daylight from her parents’ house. One of her abductors declared he would “purify her” by making her “Muslim and my mistress” (Aug. 2011).
8. Shazia, a 12-year-old Christian girl, was enslaved, raped, and murdered by Chaudhry Naeem, a rich Muslim lawyer, who was acquitted. His wife and son had participated in abusing the child (Nov. 2010).
9. Nadia, a Christian girl who was abducted in 2001 when she was 15-years-old and forced to marry a Muslim, only recently returned to her Catholic family (Jan. 2012).
10. A powerful Muslim businessman had two Christian sisters kidnapped, forced to convert to Islam, and “married” to him (May 2011).
In every one of these cases, Pakistani police either failed to act or sided with the rapists and murderers.
The above anecdotes represent a mere sampling of the documented atrocities committed against the children of Pakistan’s Christians, who amount for a miniscule 1.5% of the nation’s population. Then there are the stories that never make it to any media—stories of silent abuse that only the nameless, faceless victims know. For example, it took five years for the story of a 2-year-old toddler who was savagely raped because her Christian father refused to convert to Islam to surface. After undergoing five surgeries, her anatomy remains disfigured and she suffers from several permanent complications. Her family lives in fear and hiding.
How many Christian children in Pakistan are being mauled in silence, with their stories never surfacing?
And what animates this savagery? Discussing the aforementioned rape of 9-year-old Gulfam, local sources in Pakistan put it well: “It is shameful. Such incidents occur frequently. Christian girls are considered goods to be damaged at leisure. Abusing them is a right. According to the [Muslim] community’s mentality it is not even a crime. Muslims regard them as spoils of war.”
Indeed, here is how the late Majid Khadduri, “internationally recognized as one of the world’s leading authorities on Islamic law and jurisprudence,” explained the idea of human “spoils” in his War and Peace in the Law of Islam:
The term spoil (ghanima) is applied specifically to property acquired by force from non-Muslims. It includes, however, not only property (movable and immovable) but also persons, whether in the capacity of asra (prisoners of war) or sabi (women and children). … If the slave were a woman, the master was permitted to have sexual connection with her as a concubine.
From here, one can begin to understand the rabid fanaticism that possessed Pakistan’s Muslims concerning the Rifsha blasphemy case, which resulted in mass riots, Muslim threats to take the law in their own hands, and the dislocation of Christians, some of whom have been forced to live and worship in the wilderness: If infidel Christians, especially their children, are seen as mere “spoils” to be used and disposed of with impunity, certainly it must be intolerable for Muslims if one of these “sub-humans” dares to desecrate Islam’s holy book—the same book that ordains their inhuman status.
And herein is the true significance of the Rifsha Masih case: success is measured not in the fact that this one particular Christian child got away from the savageries of Islamic law and culture, but whether her ordeal will begin to open Western eyes to the terrors Pakistan’s Christian children routinely face.
On August 14, another Christian girl, 12-year-old Muqadas Kainat (which means “Holy Universe”) was ambushed in a field near her home in Sahawil by five Muslim men who “gang raped and murdered” her. At the time, her father was at a hospital visiting her sick mother. He and other family members began a frantic search, until a tip led them to the field where his daughter’s body lay. The postmortem revealed that she had been “gang raped and later strangled to death by five men.” Police, as usual, did not arrest anyone. As a Salem News report puts it, “Complicating matters is the fact that several Christian girls in this remote area have been raped and forced to both marry into the Muslim community and abandon their own religion, human rights groups report. … [T]here is a history in this part of Pakistan according to the Christian community, of local authorities failing to investigate cases of rape or other violence against Christians, often for fear of influential Muslims or militants.”
Similarly, on August 20, an 11-year-old Christian boy, Samuel Yaqoob, went to the markets of Faisalabad to buy food for his family, never to return. According to Wilson Chowdhry, Chairman of the British Pakistani Christian Association, “After extensive searching his body was found near a drain in the Christian colony, bearing marks of horrific torture, with the murder weapon nearby. His nose, lips and belly had been sliced off, and his family could hardly recognize him because the body was so badly burnt. Some 23 wounds by a sharp weapon have been identified in the autopsy. When sending his body for an autopsy, police raised the possibility of sodomy. Parts of Pakistani culture have a strong homosexual pederast culture, and Christian and other minority boys are especially susceptible to rape and abuse because of the powerlessness of their community and their despised status. In one case fairly recently, a Christian boy was kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed by a police officer, his body similarly being dumped in a drain.”
These were just some of the stories concerning the sexual abuse and murder of Pakistan’s Christian children that occurred last August—even as the world stood in awe at the Rimsha Masih blasphemy case. Here are ten more anecdotes, chosen at random from the many former documented cases:
1. Nisha, a 9-year-old Christian girl, was abducted by Muslims, gang-raped, murdered by repeated blows to her head, and then dumped into a canal (May 2009).
2. Gulfam, another 9-year-old Christian girl, was raped by a Muslim man. Though not killed, she was left “in shock and in the throes of a physical and psychological trauma.” During her ordeal, her rapist told her “not to worry because he had done the same service to other young Christian girls” (Dec. 2010).
3. Lubna, a 12-year-old Christian girl, was kidnapped, gang-raped, and murdered by a group of Muslims (Oct. 2010).
4. Kidnapped last Christmas Eve, a 12-year-old Christian girl known as “Anna,” was gang raped for eight months, forcibly converted and then “married” to her Muslim attacker. After she escaped, instead of seeing justice done, “the Christian family is in hiding from the rapists and the police” (Oct, 2011).
5. After gang-raping a 13-year-old Christian girl, a band of Muslims came to her house when all male members were away working and “mercilessly” beat her pregnant aunt causing her to lose female twins to miscarriage: “They murdered our children, they raped our daughter. We have nothing left with us,” lamented an older family member. The police went on to accuse the 13-year-old raped girl of “committing adultery with three men” (June 2012).
6. A Muslim man murdered a teenage Christian girl, Amariah, during an attempted rape: he had “grabbed the girl and, under the threat of a gun, tried to drag her away. The young woman resisted, trying to escape the clutches of her attacker, when the man opened fire and killed her instantly, and later tried to conceal the corpse” (Dec. 2011).
7. Muslims abducted a 14-year-old Christian girl, Mehek, at gunpoint in broad daylight from her parents’ house. One of her abductors declared he would “purify her” by making her “Muslim and my mistress” (Aug. 2011).
8. Shazia, a 12-year-old Christian girl, was enslaved, raped, and murdered by Chaudhry Naeem, a rich Muslim lawyer, who was acquitted. His wife and son had participated in abusing the child (Nov. 2010).
9. Nadia, a Christian girl who was abducted in 2001 when she was 15-years-old and forced to marry a Muslim, only recently returned to her Catholic family (Jan. 2012).
10. A powerful Muslim businessman had two Christian sisters kidnapped, forced to convert to Islam, and “married” to him (May 2011).
In every one of these cases, Pakistani police either failed to act or sided with the rapists and murderers.
The above anecdotes represent a mere sampling of the documented atrocities committed against the children of Pakistan’s Christians, who amount for a miniscule 1.5% of the nation’s population. Then there are the stories that never make it to any media—stories of silent abuse that only the nameless, faceless victims know. For example, it took five years for the story of a 2-year-old toddler who was savagely raped because her Christian father refused to convert to Islam to surface. After undergoing five surgeries, her anatomy remains disfigured and she suffers from several permanent complications. Her family lives in fear and hiding.
How many Christian children in Pakistan are being mauled in silence, with their stories never surfacing?
And what animates this savagery? Discussing the aforementioned rape of 9-year-old Gulfam, local sources in Pakistan put it well: “It is shameful. Such incidents occur frequently. Christian girls are considered goods to be damaged at leisure. Abusing them is a right. According to the [Muslim] community’s mentality it is not even a crime. Muslims regard them as spoils of war.”
Indeed, here is how the late Majid Khadduri, “internationally recognized as one of the world’s leading authorities on Islamic law and jurisprudence,” explained the idea of human “spoils” in his War and Peace in the Law of Islam:
The term spoil (ghanima) is applied specifically to property acquired by force from non-Muslims. It includes, however, not only property (movable and immovable) but also persons, whether in the capacity of asra (prisoners of war) or sabi (women and children). … If the slave were a woman, the master was permitted to have sexual connection with her as a concubine.
From here, one can begin to understand the rabid fanaticism that possessed Pakistan’s Muslims concerning the Rifsha blasphemy case, which resulted in mass riots, Muslim threats to take the law in their own hands, and the dislocation of Christians, some of whom have been forced to live and worship in the wilderness: If infidel Christians, especially their children, are seen as mere “spoils” to be used and disposed of with impunity, certainly it must be intolerable for Muslims if one of these “sub-humans” dares to desecrate Islam’s holy book—the same book that ordains their inhuman status.
And herein is the true significance of the Rifsha Masih case: success is measured not in the fact that this one particular Christian child got away from the savageries of Islamic law and culture, but whether her ordeal will begin to open Western eyes to the terrors Pakistan’s Christian children routinely face.
I lived with two guys from Pakistan in Uni in the UK, they were good guys, to chat to them was an education. They knew all about Western values and respected them although they did not like the Americans in Afganistan, i got to know their customs and traditions and it was an education. They were also good cooks and we always ate well. I think if people had the same experiences i had it would open their minds and understand these people are the same as us.
There won't be many gays around when they bring in Sharia law.
Meanwhile somewhere in Pakistan a forumite is decrying Catholicism based upon a copy and pasted story about s$xual abuse.
The blacks will mosey as well,I actually like West Indians admire their laid back ways.
There won't be many gays around when they bring in Sharia law.
It's true what they say then about every cloud having a silver lining.
It's true what they say then about every cloud having a silver lining.
I can actually undestand the "fair shook" comment Ozy,I was in east London before Christmas,from Stratford to Seven Kings(about 4 or so miles?) Most businesses were ethnic, most of the people were(particulary the Stratford end)also. Lived there in the 80,s/early 90,s and it was such a transformation.
An awful lot of native eastenders have moved out and are gone.
An awful lot of native eastenders have moved out and are gone.
Christian girls are considered goods to be damaged at leisure. Abusing them is a right. According to the [Muslim] community’s mentality it is not even a crime. Muslims regard them as spoils of war.”
And they say we should respect every religion, and yet they respect nothing but their own fantasy book they call the Quran?
And they say we should respect every religion, and yet they respect nothing but their own fantasy book they call the Quran?
Silvergreaser ignore what they do in their own countries,that's the Wests problem fighting them where they shouldn't and encouraging them again where they shouldn't.
Stop fighting them in Asia and start opposing them in Europe.
Stop fighting them in Asia and start opposing them in Europe.
Yes Pa its true, the true EastEnders all live in Essex now, they have moved out East along the Central Line.
Ironically Essex is not exactly held up as a paragon of civilisation these days, but each to his own.
Ironically Essex is not exactly held up as a paragon of civilisation these days, but each to his own.
And herein is the true significance of the Rifsha Masih case: success is measured not in the fact that this one particular Christian child got away from the savageries of Islamic law and culture, but whether her ordeal will begin to open Western eyes to the terrors Pakistan’s Christian children routinely face.
I'm not even right or left I've a great belief in individuality, think for yourself let yourself decide what is right or wrong.
Islam" wipe it from the face of the earth before its too late, because these people are not thinking for themselves, cocooned by a sufocating religion, leaders using ignorance as a tool.
There is no god you fools!
Islam" wipe it from the face of the earth before its too late, because these people are not thinking for themselves, cocooned by a sufocating religion, leaders using ignorance as a tool.
There is no god you fools!
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