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Any views on Clondaw Court's chances in this? Thought Old Kilcash was the real deal. Its run the last day at Leopardstown was to bad to be true. Where to now for him?
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A change of stables for a start.
I dont think we will win the bumper this year.
I dont think we will win the bumper this year.
kitty how would you think anything trained by the shark would be the real deal.......if anything since shark got the beast it has regressed......2nd in its first run for shark at christmas....i can only assume he hadnt got it that long at that stage for it to perform so well.......50 lengths 10th to th giggi horse at leop.....think david pipe has a few decent entries vieux lion rouge
At a preview tonight in The Goat, Patrick had his charity bet on Clondaw Court 
Richters..What did you think of Pipes Red Sherlock? Out of Lady Cricket looked very good on debut,although carrying a handy enough weight on day due to allowances . Running both wide(in search of better ground)and freely throughout he skated away to a 23 length win.
sorry for intruding oufies pal , i layed this on its debut to my cost , it was very impressive and all the right noises are been made about it by david pipe...the dam was high class , so one to keep on the right side of , to their credit the english now seem able to produce a bumper horse worth its place in the champion bumper , a few other across the water showing some decent form , so we might not have it all our own way come march....
He has entries for Saturday(Ascot) and Monday(Southwell)
take note!the pro punter,wr,has been so kind to give the forum another nugget of wisdom.get on!!!!
Im glad you posted these entries Lapsy as i may have missed him. cheers.
Agree Workrider re the English and bumpers.Time was when they crawled for all but the last two furlongs then sprinted home. No pace to most of the races and when thrown in at the deep end (Chelt/Aintree bumpers)were usually found out big time. Taken more seriously these days to be sure.
Patrick said last night that Willie could have bought Golantilla but chose to decline :)
Patrick mention Moyle Park at all, ChildO' ?
Yep, the Landrover Bumper is the most likely target for him - It's worth more than the Cheltenham Bumper
No but I've heard he's had a another setback so won't be ready. Patrick said that they're running three in the bumper, Union Dues, Clondaw Court & Sizing Tennessee!
dear child of mine,
as a self professed rep of tallamaia, the currency of your information has the same value as monopoly money to me.
it does not matter to me who wins the cheltenham bumper. fans of golantilla may be somewhat taken aback by the refernce you made that patrick said willie choose to decline to buy.
for the record, as i was involved at a distance, in proceedings, willie did eventually decline, not because he did not like the horse, just he felt he was getting too expensive. willie was in fact the underbidder and told me he loved the horse. sean o brien has and will confirm to anyone that willie bid into the 300s.
and these previews so far out from the festival as just a joke, so much can happen in the next few weeks.
as a self professed rep of tallamaia, the currency of your information has the same value as monopoly money to me.
it does not matter to me who wins the cheltenham bumper. fans of golantilla may be somewhat taken aback by the refernce you made that patrick said willie choose to decline to buy.
for the record, as i was involved at a distance, in proceedings, willie did eventually decline, not because he did not like the horse, just he felt he was getting too expensive. willie was in fact the underbidder and told me he loved the horse. sean o brien has and will confirm to anyone that willie bid into the 300s.
and these previews so far out from the festival as just a joke, so much can happen in the next few weeks.
Does that mean COM2 that Moyle Park won't run at Cheltenham.!!??
I'm only retelling what was said last night Keen Leader.
Always Collect, according to Patrick last night, Cheltenham looks unlikely for Moyle Park.
Always Collect, according to Patrick last night, Cheltenham looks unlikely for Moyle Park.
Questions x 2 for Keen Leader.....
(1). Whose bid was the final bid at the attempted sale of Golantilla in England, ?
(2). What tax band does a sale of a horse like Golantilla come under, ?
(1). Whose bid was the final bid at the attempted sale of Golantilla in England, ?
(2). What tax band does a sale of a horse like Golantilla come under, ?
i dont see the relevance of the two questions
(1) horse was a last minute entry at sale, won on sunday, entered late monday, rush job to organise to get there, turns up looking like he had swam across the irish sea. willie wanted to buy him, but was at home, kirk and jacqui were repping him and because the way he looked they were afraid to kick on. frank b also wanted him, between them they bid to 180, a fresh air bid made it 190, reserve 200, no sale.
(2) if i buy a winner of a bumper today for 100k, in two days time i find he has jumped out onto the road and suffered a fatality, am i entitled to claim a tax rebate for my misfortune?. is there a tax band which covers this?.
(1) horse was a last minute entry at sale, won on sunday, entered late monday, rush job to organise to get there, turns up looking like he had swam across the irish sea. willie wanted to buy him, but was at home, kirk and jacqui were repping him and because the way he looked they were afraid to kick on. frank b also wanted him, between them they bid to 180, a fresh air bid made it 190, reserve 200, no sale.
(2) if i buy a winner of a bumper today for 100k, in two days time i find he has jumped out onto the road and suffered a fatality, am i entitled to claim a tax rebate for my misfortune?. is there a tax band which covers this?.
As far I am aware once a horse is sold having been in training all proceeds are tax exempt.
keen leader 14 Feb 13 12:21
......and these previews so far out from the festival as just a joke, so much can happen in the next few weeks.
Is the one in Francis McKenna’s Pub on this year??? Thur.7th.March.2013???
"In Aid of the Irish Motor Neuron Disease Association. ”COVERING THE HANDICAPS”. Panel yet to be finalised but usually include Patrick Mullins, Roger Loughran, Andrew Lynch, Ado McGuinness, Ryan McElligott (Irish Field) and other SPECIAL GUESTS !"
......and these previews so far out from the festival as just a joke, so much can happen in the next few weeks.
Is the one in Francis McKenna’s Pub on this year??? Thur.7th.March.2013???
"In Aid of the Irish Motor Neuron Disease Association. ”COVERING THE HANDICAPS”. Panel yet to be finalised but usually include Patrick Mullins, Roger Loughran, Andrew Lynch, Ado McGuinness, Ryan McElligott (Irish Field) and other SPECIAL GUESTS !"
kl,
I know Jay's question about the tax rate was probably spurred by some agenda or other but it is possible that these pointing sales are taxable?
probably depends if the taxman can establish a "trade" and previous winning form (of the owner/trianer) might be one criteria. I think there's blurred line as to what is tax-free in racing these days and pointing muddies the waters a bit.
Sometimes the Revenue can be a law unto themselves and i have seen industry insiders paying tax on what might be regarded generally as exempt racing profits (i.e. he doesn't believe in the tooth fairy!).
I know Jay's question about the tax rate was probably spurred by some agenda or other but it is possible that these pointing sales are taxable?
probably depends if the taxman can establish a "trade" and previous winning form (of the owner/trianer) might be one criteria. I think there's blurred line as to what is tax-free in racing these days and pointing muddies the waters a bit.
Sometimes the Revenue can be a law unto themselves and i have seen industry insiders paying tax on what might be regarded generally as exempt racing profits (i.e. he doesn't believe in the tooth fairy!).
Could you clarify what might constitute exempt raicng profits that you have seen people paying tax on?
Tolmi,
let me put it this way: generally, both race winnings and profit from selling racehorses is exempt from tax. A serious windfall for an individual involving one of the foregoing was taxed on inspection by Revenue on the basis that he was involved closely in the industry and therefore had some edge or other over the hobby owner. The guy paid up without demur-was a bitter pill but appealing didn't appeal at the time. He might have won the appeal (at significant expense) but he settled for a quieter life. I think that certain earnings/winnings/sales proceeds are now less clearcut and selling on a winning pointer, for example, might be regarded as taxable by revenue.
let me put it this way: generally, both race winnings and profit from selling racehorses is exempt from tax. A serious windfall for an individual involving one of the foregoing was taxed on inspection by Revenue on the basis that he was involved closely in the industry and therefore had some edge or other over the hobby owner. The guy paid up without demur-was a bitter pill but appealing didn't appeal at the time. He might have won the appeal (at significant expense) but he settled for a quieter life. I think that certain earnings/winnings/sales proceeds are now less clearcut and selling on a winning pointer, for example, might be regarded as taxable by revenue.
By windfall do you mean proceeds of a sale of a horse in training?The only way I could see that being taxable would be if the seller involved was a trainer or something similar.I always have a difficulty with Revenue deemed something to be taxable i.e. profit from a trade in one instance while declaring it to be a hobby if loss making.
agreed but the purpose of my original post was to suggest that taxation of certain "racing" profits (normally deemed exempt) can be targeted by revenue and it's hard to escape from their clutches if they feel they have a pay day. I'd go so far as to say this approach could also be adopted if a punter proved himself a regular "professional" winner.
just to give my to bobs worth..i dont think the irish will win the bumper this year..EMPIRICLE of j scotts is rated better than melodic rendezvous by some at the yard?..if true the horse should take some stopping..i admit its huntingdon win looks only average but you can only beat whats in front of you..also ROYAL ENCORE, CAPTAIN CUTTER,...although you can never discount anything mullins runs..the man is genius...what ive seen so far makes think it,ll go to this side of the water this year....? just my opinion lads
take note!the 2 pros have spoken,wr and tony are no mugs,get on!!!
kingrat id say your a nice person to meet.all you do is skit threads.have you ever offered any thing constructive to any thread ever?
If you have heard this from the years tony then have I assume that the negatives regarding him have also be relayed to you?
The Yard not years. That is worse than a typo and just plain stupid.
POSSIBLE Entries.....in order of highest RPR.
| FORM | HORSE/ days | TRAINER | TS | RPR | |
| B-1211 | Oscar Rock32 | 5 | Harry Fry | 107 | 131 |
| 11 | Owen Mc102 | 5 | Noel Meade | 72 | 130 |
| 01-Jan | Clondaw Court116 | 6 | W P Mullins | 59 | 127 |
| 11 | Golantilla67 | 5 | Sean O O´Brien | 69 | 127 |
| 11 | Union Dues87 | 5 | W P Mullins | 54 | 127 |
| 1 | Moyle Park77 | 5 | David Harry Kelly | 39 | 125 |
| 01-Jan | Regal Encore151 | 5 | Anthony Honeyball | 83 | 125 |
| 1 | Le Vent D´Antan46 | 4 | Miss Elizabeth Doyle | 27 | 124 |
| 1 | Red Sherlock41 | 4 | David Pipe | 115 | 123 |
| 04-Nov | Sizing Tennessee48 | 5 | W P Mullins | 99 | 122 |
| 12 | Champagne James87 | 5 | T M Walsh | 67 | 121 |
| 1 | Captain Cutter82 | 6 | Nicky Henderson | 38 | 120 |
| 1 | Empiracle148 | 6 | Jeremy Scott | 60 | 120 |
| 2 | Gone Too Far104 | 5 | Alan King | 106 | 120 |
| 14 | Pure Science32 | 5 | Nigel Twiston-Davies | 46 | 120 |
| 12F | Kings Palace49 | 5 | David Pipe | 36 | 119 |
| 11 | Sgt Reckless68 | 6 | Mick Channon | 85 | 112 |
| 1 | Doctor Harper90 | 5 | David Pipe | 23 | 106 |
Keen Leader is probably the most respected forumite here but his comments on this thread are unworthy of him.
ChildOfMine2 is kindly giving us the lowdown on what's being said at these previews and somehow Keen Leader took some of it personally,the comment that seems to have irked Keen Leader
" Patrick said Willie could have bought Golantilla but chose to decline "
Keen Leader then gives the story involving the sale of Golantilla which I accept but that statement of ChildOfMine2 is compatible with that as declining to buy is the same as being outbid.
ChildOfMine2 is doing the forum a service and I hope he keeps it up.
ChildOfMine2 is kindly giving us the lowdown on what's being said at these previews and somehow Keen Leader took some of it personally,the comment that seems to have irked Keen Leader
" Patrick said Willie could have bought Golantilla but chose to decline "
Keen Leader then gives the story involving the sale of Golantilla which I accept but that statement of ChildOfMine2 is compatible with that as declining to buy is the same as being outbid.
ChildOfMine2 is doing the forum a service and I hope he keeps it up.
I agree with your 09.35 post today wildman, and I too am somewhat disappointed with KL.
In fact KL says that he was involved at a distance, well it must have been some distance if he (KL) is not aware of the pertinence of the second questio I posed to him earlier.
From my own information I can say KL is most likely correct with his answer to my first query. That 'fresh air' bid was just that and probably was noted
Good man tolmi your answer 14/02/13 at 16.33 is most relevant in this instance........
In fact KL says that he was involved at a distance, well it must have been some distance if he (KL) is not aware of the pertinence of the second questio I posed to him earlier.
From my own information I can say KL is most likely correct with his answer to my first query. That 'fresh air' bid was just that and probably was noted
Good man tolmi your answer 14/02/13 at 16.33 is most relevant in this instance........
my imput on this thread was to refute an implied suggestion that willie mullins did not want golantilla, he did, not at the eventual sale price.
what did irk me, is that the messenger from the goat with the quote, is on the payroll at tallafornia, like many other covert posters on this forum. while it is deemed necessary to drum up antepost interest in the festival by posting where convenient, none of them have the balls to comment on the NEWROSS episode. lets all ignore the elephant in the room as long as we get our weekly wage mentality. reposition them back into the early 1930s and many of them would have lived happily under the third reich regime, such is their attitude.
what did irk me, is that the messenger from the goat with the quote, is on the payroll at tallafornia, like many other covert posters on this forum. while it is deemed necessary to drum up antepost interest in the festival by posting where convenient, none of them have the balls to comment on the NEWROSS episode. lets all ignore the elephant in the room as long as we get our weekly wage mentality. reposition them back into the early 1930s and many of them would have lived happily under the third reich regime, such is their attitude.
I was originally going to ask what tallamaia was and I am still not sure but presume it is something to do with the headquarters of a bookmaking chain.
I think the statement on Golantilla meant he was simply outbid don't think there was anything implied.
I think we would all like to know about the New Ross episode maybe someone with liathroidi will come on and tell us.
I think the statement on Golantilla meant he was simply outbid don't think there was anything implied.
I think we would all like to know about the New Ross episode maybe someone with liathroidi will come on and tell us.
bassino
ive not been told any negatives on the horse?..i,d appreciate you letting me know any?..seems strange they are going straight to the festival after just one run..but scott does like to come over for punchy so maybe thats on the agenda after the festival?
ive not been told any negatives on the horse?..i,d appreciate you letting me know any?..seems strange they are going straight to the festival after just one run..but scott does like to come over for punchy so maybe thats on the agenda after the festival?
There are some issues with its wind. I don't believe they are major but they were enough to prevent him being sold for very tasty money to a major owner and he is now in the ownership of a syndicate as I understand it. He may well be suited to a flatter track and I don't like him for Cheltenham, but given the enthusiastic owners he will probably line up on day 2.
thanks for that mate..greatly appreciated..i would think they would go for a wind op before the race if needed?..but thats a worry as im already on
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[i]Questions x 2 for Keen Leader.....
(1). Whose bid was the final bid at the attempted sale of Golantilla in England, ?
(2). What tax band does a sale of a horse like Golantilla come under, ?[/i]
1. The final bid was by the owners (in an effort to push it beyond the 200k reserve)....common at these type of sales.
2. Tax exempt.
hth
Tony1957,
Wonder is there is a market for WHO WINS (Ire v Eng) the bumper ?
(1). Whose bid was the final bid at the attempted sale of Golantilla in England, ?
(2). What tax band does a sale of a horse like Golantilla come under, ?[/i]
1. The final bid was by the owners (in an effort to push it beyond the 200k reserve)....common at these type of sales.
2. Tax exempt.
hth
Tony1957,
Wonder is there is a market for WHO WINS (Ire v Eng) the bumper ?
that horse of pipes , red sherlock out tomorrow at ascot for those interested .....
there is catch me if you can..i will try to get the price and get back to you..workrider..pipes horse will have its work cut out imo..hendersons captain cutter will be tough to beat..looks a cracker of a meeting at ascot
yeah tony , looks a really good meet , ruby might have a winner or two , you have to say re was very impressive lto and could be anything....
yes ..my only worry is towcester ...towcester form can be funny workrider..but pipes horse looks to be classy...hendrsons horse won a decent listed contest over cd..that form is a lot stronger than pipes..pipes runner does get weight tho..that my be the differance..atm..my doe is on hendersons..
just to give my to bobs worth..i dont think the irish will win the bumper this year..EMPIRICLE of j scotts is rated better than melodic rendezvous by some at the yard?..if true the horse should take some stopping..i admit its huntingdon win looks only average but you can only beat whats in front of you..also ROYAL ENCORE, CAPTAIN CUTTER,...although you can never discount anything mullins runs..the man is genius...what ive seen so far makes think it,ll go to this side of the water this year....? just my opinion lads
i was told about him a while ago too, never backed him though
i was told about him a while ago too, never backed him though
Can't see the (Ire v Eng) Win the Bumper market anywhere ?
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Big day today for Red Sherlock .Decent opposition for sure from Hendersons but if he is a Cheltenham contender he would want to be winning this.....Im going to take a little of the 12/1 available this morning for champion bumper. Will look a big price this evening. Be joint fav at least by then.Either that or ill look a right tool.
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Yeah and the books cutting him, pulled and the tail going goodo couldn,t touch him.
, pulled and the tail going goodo couldn,t touch him.
KL, I was only passing on info for the benefit of people here regarding the bumper. Don't know what the hell you're going on about or where you're leading with your comments!
i wonder why , temper mental would you say...or maybe 3 quick runs would do for her....
none of them have the balls to comment on the NEWROSS episode
ChildOfMine2,
What are your thoughts please on the....
Paddy Poor (Best Online Social Responsibility Award 2013
particularly in relation to it's handling of the
"Former Post Office Manager (jailed for €1.75m theft to fund gambling").
ChildOfMine2,
What are your thoughts please on the....
Paddy Poor (Best Online Social Responsibility Award 2013
particularly in relation to it's handling of the
"Former Post Office Manager (jailed for €1.75m theft to fund gambling").
No comment on either so lets just get back to the Champion Bumper chat. That's what this topic is about!
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