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Now i know i am probably going to get a load disagreeing with me but in my own humble opinion i honestly think that England should be at least 4/7 on sunday against Ireland and that evens ( or +1 10/11 in places ) is an all ireland price .........
Also think the truck needs to be backed up a bit with regards Zebo ...Good lad and all that and is taking his chance well but i think he got well exposed in defence when needed at the weekend and is far from the worlds greatest player that some people are making him out to be ..
The real problem will be the final 20 on Sunday especially if our front row is out on its feet ..... If either Healy or Ross need to go could be serious problem and don t know why kidney keeps picking Sean cronin as reserve hooker when its clear for all to see that kidney doesn t rate him ( leaving Sean o brien throw the ball in on Saturday )
I could look a fool come Sunday evening we ll wait and see
Interested in BJG thoughts ?
Also think the truck needs to be backed up a bit with regards Zebo ...Good lad and all that and is taking his chance well but i think he got well exposed in defence when needed at the weekend and is far from the worlds greatest player that some people are making him out to be ..
The real problem will be the final 20 on Sunday especially if our front row is out on its feet ..... If either Healy or Ross need to go could be serious problem and don t know why kidney keeps picking Sean cronin as reserve hooker when its clear for all to see that kidney doesn t rate him ( leaving Sean o brien throw the ball in on Saturday )
I could look a fool come Sunday evening we ll wait and see
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I would agree for three reasons
1.This is a very good English side
2.I am not convinced there is anything special about the Irish side.
3.England had a very easy game at the weekend in contrast to the Wales/Ireland match which was a real war of attrition and surely bodies will be feeling the effects.
1.This is a very good English side
2.I am not convinced there is anything special about the Irish side.
3.England had a very easy game at the weekend in contrast to the Wales/Ireland match which was a real war of attrition and surely bodies will be feeling the effects.
I would agree,England should be 4/6
Manu Tulagi will be back(Gordon Darcy will have to play,Keith earls is a weakness at centre defensively)
Not convinced by Zebo in a defensive capacity.(No doubting his attacking ability but might still lack international experience)
Gilroy's kicking is a worry,England will definitely have identified this.
England's physicality is immense,will our scrum hold up??
Manu Tulagi will be back(Gordon Darcy will have to play,Keith earls is a weakness at centre defensively)
Not convinced by Zebo in a defensive capacity.(No doubting his attacking ability but might still lack international experience)
Gilroy's kicking is a worry,England will definitely have identified this.
England's physicality is immense,will our scrum hold up??
Darcy wont be match fit by Sunday , BOD will have to play the 2 England centres more or less on his own .
Having said that at times Scotland made England look fragile and I dont buy into the English hype machine ( which surrounds all their sports representatives ) . But Ireland are not as good as they looked in first half vs Wales , Wales did not turn up for the first 40 minutes for some reason .
Super Bowl was similar last night , 49'ers did not turn up until the third quarter , post electricity failure , and were 28-3 down , but ultimately were slightly unlucky to be beaten 34-31 .
Getting harder to be sure of results anywhere in sports these days .
Having said that at times Scotland made England look fragile and I dont buy into the English hype machine ( which surrounds all their sports representatives ) . But Ireland are not as good as they looked in first half vs Wales , Wales did not turn up for the first 40 minutes for some reason .
Super Bowl was similar last night , 49'ers did not turn up until the third quarter , post electricity failure , and were 28-3 down , but ultimately were slightly unlucky to be beaten 34-31 .
Getting harder to be sure of results anywhere in sports these days .
I agree Mick and have availed of plenty of the England +2 at 10/11 when the prices went up and believe they should be favs
Dont get me wrong, it was a very decent irish performance in the 1st half v Wales but equally it was just a horror show from the Welsh, they were absolutely attrocious for the 1st 50 mins, nothing went to hand, poor decision making and they were just massively sub standard in all areas.
But in the last 30 mins we were lucky to hold on to be very honest
The big factor this week is the news Manu Tuilagi is back, if Gordon Darcy doesnt play and Keith Earls starts he will have an absolute field day, Earls only came off the bench last week and stil was at fault for a try and was caught out of position too often!
The Irish pack wont have the freedom they had in that 1st 50 v Wales here, they were gifted turnover after turnover from a toothless Welsh side and made look a lot better than they were
It was a bruising encounter and i see there is a good few sittin out training to have scans etc Heaslip, BOD, Darcy, Earls, Kearney, Ross all have niggles in one way or another
That said England are likely to be without Ben Morgan who is struggling with an ankle injury and he would b a big loss to them but i still think the English backrow will have the beating of us, still missing that proper no 7! Added to that the growing maturity and absolute quality of Owen Farrell controlling the game i think England could win by 10+ here personally
Dont get me wrong, it was a very decent irish performance in the 1st half v Wales but equally it was just a horror show from the Welsh, they were absolutely attrocious for the 1st 50 mins, nothing went to hand, poor decision making and they were just massively sub standard in all areas.
But in the last 30 mins we were lucky to hold on to be very honest
The big factor this week is the news Manu Tuilagi is back, if Gordon Darcy doesnt play and Keith Earls starts he will have an absolute field day, Earls only came off the bench last week and stil was at fault for a try and was caught out of position too often!
The Irish pack wont have the freedom they had in that 1st 50 v Wales here, they were gifted turnover after turnover from a toothless Welsh side and made look a lot better than they were
It was a bruising encounter and i see there is a good few sittin out training to have scans etc Heaslip, BOD, Darcy, Earls, Kearney, Ross all have niggles in one way or another
That said England are likely to be without Ben Morgan who is struggling with an ankle injury and he would b a big loss to them but i still think the English backrow will have the beating of us, still missing that proper no 7! Added to that the growing maturity and absolute quality of Owen Farrell controlling the game i think England could win by 10+ here personally
A lot to disagree with on this thread.
AFAIK SOB threw the ball in because the ref wouldn't allow a front row replacement at lineout time (only scrum time). It turned out well anyway.
England are not a very good side. Backline flawed in so many respects. Twelvetress is not the second coming, not especially quick and I thought not a particularly astute passeer at times either. Barritt is a journey man. Farrell is a poor runner and distributor, Goode is not special in any regard, Brown is a good player but should be at fullback. Big questions marks over Ashton's decision making in defence.
Marler is not in the league of Corbuiseiro or Sheridan at scrum time. Youngs at hooker further weakens England at scrum time, assuming selection. Back five decent (but so is ours), no natural 7 and Morgan runs out of steam early.
Tuiliagi is a very threatening player, lets hope he doesn't make it.
Granted England are better than they have been for several years. Reliable goalkicker, strong at set peice and forwards that are finally competing at ruck time and producing quick ball.
And ok, it would be easy to pick similar holes in Ireland. And I too, slightly favour England, more so if Tuilagi plays. But then England haven't won in Dublin since 2003 in the 6 Nations.
AFAIK SOB threw the ball in because the ref wouldn't allow a front row replacement at lineout time (only scrum time). It turned out well anyway.
England are not a very good side. Backline flawed in so many respects. Twelvetress is not the second coming, not especially quick and I thought not a particularly astute passeer at times either. Barritt is a journey man. Farrell is a poor runner and distributor, Goode is not special in any regard, Brown is a good player but should be at fullback. Big questions marks over Ashton's decision making in defence.
Marler is not in the league of Corbuiseiro or Sheridan at scrum time. Youngs at hooker further weakens England at scrum time, assuming selection. Back five decent (but so is ours), no natural 7 and Morgan runs out of steam early.
Tuiliagi is a very threatening player, lets hope he doesn't make it.
Granted England are better than they have been for several years. Reliable goalkicker, strong at set peice and forwards that are finally competing at ruck time and producing quick ball.
And ok, it would be easy to pick similar holes in Ireland. And I too, slightly favour England, more so if Tuilagi plays. But then England haven't won in Dublin since 2003 in the 6 Nations.
i love it when ireland get hyped up in the rugby, its like england in the soccer, for some reason we think we are world beaters and it always ends in disaster. 2009 was a lucky exception. England by 7+.
I have yet to hear anyone hype up this Ireland team tbf. If anyone is being hyped up, it is England imo.
England get hyped up in every sport , its in the nature of the beast , certainly as far as those in the English media are concerned . Mind you some of our Dublin fourites who are involved with rugby are also guilty of hype betimes , and Munster supporters tend to see red at every opportunity . Ulster supporters tend to be lower key , no real flag supporters thankfully so far , and Connaught have traditionally less to put forward .
Can pick holes in both teams , England a bit ponderous , Ireland not , but facing a strong pack they may struggle . Waiting for the opening exchanges before I commit any money , plus the injury influence thing lurking for both teams .
Can pick holes in both teams , England a bit ponderous , Ireland not , but facing a strong pack they may struggle . Waiting for the opening exchanges before I commit any money , plus the injury influence thing lurking for both teams .
Poor game - money in the bank anyway 
To the game - time for ROG to b sent off to stud, give one of the younger lads a chance as number 2! Was woeful, everytime he got the ball he may as well have handed the ball over to eng
Sexton a big loss when he went off
Heaslip - average to say the least, cant for the life of me understand why he is captain when BOD is on the pitch(or POC when he is back) for that matter
Decent performance from the front row, bar Bests lineout throws in the 1st half and the odd handling blip from McCarthy
Backs could nt get anything going, granted mainly due to the incredibly slow ball they were forced to recieve from the 10 slot wen Sexton went off and had little to no front foot ball, was always goin backwards.
To the game - time for ROG to b sent off to stud, give one of the younger lads a chance as number 2! Was woeful, everytime he got the ball he may as well have handed the ball over to eng
Sexton a big loss when he went off
Heaslip - average to say the least, cant for the life of me understand why he is captain when BOD is on the pitch(or POC when he is back) for that matter
Decent performance from the front row, bar Bests lineout throws in the 1st half and the odd handling blip from McCarthy
Backs could nt get anything going, granted mainly due to the incredibly slow ball they were forced to recieve from the 10 slot wen Sexton went off and had little to no front foot ball, was always goin backwards.
I think the game proved Ireland are a limited side. England didnt have to be at their best to win. Well done Dinglemick. Always nice to see a poster take a strong position on here .
Well done, Mick. Weather spoiled the occasion. Hard to draw any conclusions really. Two fairly ordinary teams, all told.
Can't for the life of me understand going for the posts when 6 points down with 10 minutes to go, and an easy position to kick to the corner. 5 points down, I would agree with kicking for goal, but not at 6 points down.
Can't for the life of me understand going for the posts when 6 points down with 10 minutes to go, and an easy position to kick to the corner. 5 points down, I would agree with kicking for goal, but not at 6 points down.
You would have to have a bet to endure that rubbish although was advised to back no try scorer because of conditions by a good hurling man.
Think Rog should concentrate on the gambling,great player as he was surely those days are long gone.
Think Rog should concentrate on the gambling,great player as he was surely those days are long gone.
Nearly all the predictions were spot on , hope everyone got a few quid out of their opinions . The weather was a big factor , completely against anything approaching skilful handling and skill .
Ireland should have been in front at half time , unbelievably simple handling and fumbling errors cost us , and ultimately the match as England are a solid team , thats about all it needed .
No idea why we persevere with O'Gara , only use for him was when playing behind a winning pack in "Munster" conditions , pin them down and pick up the empties .
Just wonder how many of our lads were carrying niggles , there was little spark from any of them at any time during the match . Guess England deserve a bit of praise for that .
And playing in Jan / Feb what do the afficionados expect ? Always queried that , suppose it is a case of fitting games in somewhere in the calendar .
Ireland should have been in front at half time , unbelievably simple handling and fumbling errors cost us , and ultimately the match as England are a solid team , thats about all it needed .
No idea why we persevere with O'Gara , only use for him was when playing behind a winning pack in "Munster" conditions , pin them down and pick up the empties .
Just wonder how many of our lads were carrying niggles , there was little spark from any of them at any time during the match . Guess England deserve a bit of praise for that .
And playing in Jan / Feb what do the afficionados expect ? Always queried that , suppose it is a case of fitting games in somewhere in the calendar .
The 6-Nations is one for the romantics now, the true glory for the players is now the Heineken Cup. A remarkable parallel with soccer where the Champions League has usurped the World Cup as the pinnacle of the sport.
Continuing to watch the breaking news . Freudian slip in the statement , use of the word "bark" instead of barque . Translation error ? Maybe someoene likes rotweilers ?
Sorry , wrong thread . But maybe Ireland need divine intervention ! Pope news .
Ah, there's no real winners when England win, even when you back them. 
db, agree with you re 6 nations being trumped by Heineken Cup but Football World Cup dwarfs Champs League at every level.
I have long thought George Hook was seriously lacking when it came to reading a game but his comments re ROG in todays Indo take the biscuit.
I don't have it in front of me at the minute but basically said that Ireland were very lucky to have an outhalf replacement the calibre of ROG.
the same g.hook who was bad mouthing brian o driscoll a few yr back?!?!?
It annoys me when RTE insist on using the likes of Hook and (sometimes) Dunphy for their sports coverage. They are basically used to draw the viewer in in the hope that they will say something controversial and/or against the grain just for the sake of it. It's insulting to the viewer that they think people can't handle proper sports analysis. I've given up on half-time and post-match analyses at this stage, can't remember the last time I sat through one.
Reckon they should save up all the ads for halftime and show them all together while most of us make a cup of tea or raid the cooler for another beer .
15 minutes discussion on what transpired in the previous 40 or 45 minutes is a bridge too far for most of us . Sympathy for the studio guests though , they are trying to fill up space and keep the interest up . Think how hard it must have been at half time for those in the studio in the Wales -Ireland match , there was basically nothing to say . And yet it turned out to be an entertaining game 40 minutes later .
15 minutes discussion on what transpired in the previous 40 or 45 minutes is a bridge too far for most of us . Sympathy for the studio guests though , they are trying to fill up space and keep the interest up . Think how hard it must have been at half time for those in the studio in the Wales -Ireland match , there was basically nothing to say . And yet it turned out to be an entertaining game 40 minutes later .
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