The IGB

my final nail was one nite i has a young well bred bitch drawn wrong coming from behind winning her first race in limerick in 29.13. i was expecting to get lots of calls...not one.sold her in sales for 1100 a month later.she cost that and more to buy rear and run etc.i have had nothing since on the track,and wont have.they took their eye off the ball.

Kavvie........How are the igb at fault for not selling your bitch.......bitches are very hard to sell fullstop at the moment. The place is awash with 29.40/29.50 dogs and nobody can sell them.

Workrider......The country lads wouldn't be bringing a bad one up to the big smoke.Some chancers in that Dublin owners and trainers organisation. But a few good eggs also.
As my auld lad told us......if you have no dog with you, pay in.
They carry on in hrx over the years was cat with lads trying to get in for nothing......they would swarm around a lad with more than 1 dog.

I do not know 1 person who pulled the plug over reduced prizemoney.

i wasnt talking about the igb specifically.i was on about the game in general gone non economic..that was 6 years ago,so its gone worse now im told.

I think at this stage Gant all the "hobby" boys and girls have bailed out.
Lo and behold the IGB have announced new tack ratings and the Premier Track is to be rated 30 fast for 525. But they have not done this in a retrospective manner so the new track record stands. The new ratings are from early Jan 2013, but they should be from the start date of this years derby when the new sand was layed down, come on IGB add 30 to the new record at SP it makes proper sense to do so.....

http://www.igb.ie/upload/TalkingDogs/Bord-na-gCon-Notice-Track-ratings-PR%5B...

If you are going to constantly moan you should at least know what you are moaning about. Going allowances do not count for track records so it would not matter when they put the plus 30 on as it is the actual clock they do not the estimated clock

Oh I see its going to be permanently rated 30 fast, still if they want to get accurate going they should be doing it from night to night, it is clearly faster some nights over others so if they want to do it right that's the way it should be done

Shelbourne should have been +30 for the last few years.

Jaytrump...........The hobby breeder/trainer/owner is alive and well maybe you don't see many in shelbourne on saturday night but he/she is still around.

The IGB ratings are nothing to do with going allowance, they are to do with track shape circumferences, they are an inprecise way of trying to evalauate different tracks so dogs can move from one track to another without trialling there.
Individual rating of how track is running each night is a totally different issue. Further info on this will be from yer man webser on the belle vue forum, although he has explained it numerous times in the past 12 years.
480 metres  times differs as much  on the shape of the track as the surface.

Very few hobby/owner, breeders, now in the game. Its far too expensive. Breed a bitch now and bring your litter, all your litter to qualifying stage, and your out some pot of money. Now your only chance if your doing this is to get a real good fellow, or bitch, because you wont any longer be able to move on your moderate grader. No market much anymore in England, and very hard to sell anything at home here, be it a pup, a sapling or race dog.So if the hobby breeder can continue to take this 'hit', well good luck to him.
I see now on the Greyhound Data site that the owner/breeder is waking up to the IGB and they are beginning to get very agitated, on that site. With the shutdown for the holiday period and the very serious curtailment of racing during Jan/Feb the 20% increase is now thought to be window dressing.Less racing less expense and more money for the IGB suits to divide out for their expenses. The greyhound game in Ireland needs a radical overhaul, and the present IGB seem not to care. And in the last two months I have been racing in a number of tracks and most of the 'doggy people', I spoke with are very concerned with the way the game is going, its down hill and its going fast. People cant afford the huge expense involved anymore, and are getting out.No incentive to stay in. Only those that have their mouths in the trough will be left, but it will only scraps in that trough.

a good post jay...very accurate as well , sad to see the way the games gone....

WR, have a read of the thred ova on Greyhound Data, seems all the doggie people on here are eating outta the IGB trough, (of course bought and payed for by the poor owner

Lurked around here for a long time. My experience with the IGB left me with a bitter
taste in mouth. I had a 1/2 share in a dog who we entered in an 64 dog A1/A2 stake in Galway.
Week leading up to it was told we were a  1st wide reserve but we would get in,so wife and I decided
to book a hotel in Galway for the weekend and travel up and take in the first round.
We were informed on the Saturday that we didnt get in was pissed but what can you do i thought?
Went to the track and see 14 A3 dogs in the stake and 2 A4 dogs all with well known trainers in the stake.
Then last heat T6 is empty having supposed to be filled by an A4 dog. I went mental we had a dog
we couldnt get racing for sitting in Cork while this A1/A2 stake was full of A3 dogs and now
the wide trap was empty. I was told we didnt get a call because the trainer only informed the
track when he arrived that the dog had been put off the night before in Letterkenny for fighting.
I spoke to the track manager and racing manager and gave both dogs abuse. Both stated that the
trainers with A3 dogs in the A1/A2 stake were long time members and therefore were given some grace
by the igb. I left Galway that night gave up my share and never went greyhound racing again.
Needless to say the trainer who was running his dog 2 nights running is a very well known individual

Sorry you'd a bad experience but surely your beef is with the Galway racing manager?

Ya your right my view on it was he worked for the igb, i had a long conversation with him on the
night aswell as with the stadium manager. I was promised if we entered that dog again there we would
definitely get a run.They shrugged their shoulders when I asked about unqualified dogs getting in
before qualified dogs i.e A4 dogs in an A1/A2 stake while A2 dogs are reserves. It became crystal
clear it was an old boys club and we werent in it nor wanted in it so I walked away.
Ironically my wife and I were at a stage where we would go to Curaheen once a week and were
seriously considering investing more money in the game because we just loved it.
I might even be persuaded to give it another go if I thought things had changed.

Specific, I cannot understand why any trainer worth his salt, would want to run an A4 grader in a competition 2/3 grades higher.Makes no sense. It doesn't normally happen. Everyone likes and tries to have a bit in hand when going for these competitions, and they are always very competitive.Also anyone with basic knowledge of the doggy game would know that to take your grader from say Curraheen to Galway for a stake, any grade of stake, you wont be winning unless you have a potential open class dog.None of these stakes in any event are 'drawn', they are graded by the race manager for betting purposes, so you will be in 'hot'in a wrong trap.So you probably wont be winning unless you have a machine, that can beat all the odds. In my view you are better off staying at your local track, and if your dog is any good he will get his turn. Limerick was a no go area for 'foreigners' when a recent manager was there , and now I truly lol when I see where he is now, retired but active, for owners.    Everyone with a bit of courage has run-in's with the racing manager's and imho you should give it another go especially when you and your good Mrs., enjoyed the game.Dont give in to the bullies..........

Well the IGB have now made admissions of not adhering to best practices, when breaking spending rules. See Conor Ryan in todays Examiner.
But wait for it, as the industry goes down the tubes, the masters at the IGB up their own expenses by a whopping 35%. How's that for good governance. No sign of the chairmans 5yr plan, promised at the Laurels forum in Curraheen last October. They have ran this great sport into the ground, and seems to be very bleak future if any. Of course Limerick stadium is the noose around the industry's neck. Put there by the shocking behavior of the IGB bosses..............

For the first time the Irish Greyhound Board (IGB) has admitted it broke spending rules and did not properly tender for a number of different contracts.


By Conor Ryan
Investigative Correspondent
It has also revealed its continuing debt problems mean it needs each of its tracks to perform better and the Government to keep giving it €11m a year if it is to stay in business beyond 2016.

The details were revealed in its accounts for 2011, whose publication had been delayed because of issues raised by the Comptroller and Auditor General (C&AG).

In the financial statements the company chairman, Phil Meaney, and the C&AG, Seamus McCarthy, reported on its failures to follow the rules.

The Irish Examiner previously revealed how a €5m shortfall had emerged because of a series of ill-fated informal arrangements set up with private parties involved in the development of its new Limerick stadium.

The IGB had originally denied it broke the rules. However, in the accounts Mr Meaney accepted there had been failures.

“The audit revealed a number of instances where goods and services had not been tendered for,” he said.

Mr McCarthy said there had been non-compliance with procurement guidelines and control weaknesses.

The Public Accounts Committee has demanded reports from the Department of Agriculture and the IGB on these matters.

Problems associated with the Limerick development have been a key factor in the financial difficulties.

In 2011 its debt burden rose by €1.5m to €22.7m, edging closer to its €25m limit set by AIB and the Department.

The IGB has now revealed all of this loan is on an interest-only basis until December 2016.

The company had to include a note to explain how it could continue to trade once the principal of the loans had to be paid off.

Its plan assumes that operating surpluses would increase each year because the Government would continue to supply an €11m grant annually and turnover from its racing facilities would rise.

Turnover fell in 2011 and it is understood to have slipped further in 2012.

Much of the firm’s debt was built up because its decision to build a stadium and headquarters in Limerick, which opened in 2010.

This project was underpinned by a doomed gentleman’s agreement and its cost was expected to be offset with €10.8m generated from the sale of three key sites around the city.

The 2011 accounts show one of the properties was sold for €1.5m (a €934,000 loss) and the remaining two properties have been written down in value to €1.5m.

Despite the precarious position facing the company, in 2011 there was a 35% increase in the expenses claimed by members of its board, rising to €71,273 for its seven directors.

Previously the IGB has refused to release the expenses details for its chairman, Mr Meaney, claiming it would affect his commercial interest. This Freedom of Information case is before the Information Commissioner.

Thanks BJG.,for putting that up......

The good newz man doesn't see fit to mention this at all on the IGB website, but has loadza greetings of celebration to his frends on there, such utter nonsense, some of these still think the celtc tiger is around. There's an elephant around allrite but no tiger, and that elephant is white and stands close to the treaty city, just out the road there........

Jaytrump , They killed the game for the little man , lots of us who once loved this great sport were left high and dry , Stadium managers also have a lot to answer for , only interested in the top trainers ..Always catering to their every whim , yet the mainstay of the game , the guy with the couple of dogs , ignored , been told , sorry cant fit your dog in this week etc etc , dogs running out of time , yet week after week the same trainers having multiple runners , a part of me says it serves them right , yet the greyhound lover in me feels for the death of this great sport...

Plenty of lads priced out of the game during the so called boom are getting back into it.

i'm glad to hear that Gant , as i said a wonderful sport , just abused by those who should have known better ...I'm lost to it and shall never return ...

Most sports were abused during the Celtic Tiger.

im lost to it also,track at least.the small man was only filling boxes

It's all about knowing your dogs level.

You know gant is well connected anybody says anything against his cronies the political elite and he out in force defending them. Listen to us the little men gant the working class heroes.

Not interested in politics only our small sport, just as you care about your sport of a similar size. Greyhound racing and LOI soccer are struggling at the moment.

gant we mostly knew our dogs level but getting put in with dogs from big yards you know uv no chance with.you know what im talking about.!!

I know what your saying......from A4 back to A9 you are always at the mercy of an improver/timefinder........A3 to AAO are safe enough.

Well you see Gant you don't know it all, as you should be aware that the backgrader will catch you in these A1's, A2's, and A3's. The grading system is utter rubbish, lets say you win an A5 and do A1 time its good luck for a while now, you wont be winning unless you have the exceptional one.

Workriders post at 09.08 is right on the money, and I agree with kavvie also, as he knows what he is talking about.

Well said rocket, as Gant is not one of the 'stonethrowers', and is a true supporter of the inept board.

Never claimed to know it all and I only gave my opinion. The greyhounddata stonethrowers.

What is it you activists call he rest of us who are less vocal(and also unhappy with the bord).....oh yea groupies

Gant does not like the working class interfering, he like wildman is a rich farmer, wildman even has his own baler something not very common where i am from.

Gant I don't no nuttin about groupies

and Rocket not suir where it is that you hang out, but if you in the west coast no need for a baler as who needs baled ferns
and of course if its Tallaght area you'd only be baling goats knobs

no offence intended.........

Fair enough Jaytrump..........I wonder will Conor Ryan sponsor an auld stake at his local track.

Rocketfingers.......You lads are too busy spending your CAP money buying paint to control the visiting fans.......comedy gold.

Once again the IGB manage to make a 'horlocks' out of the top Irish competition of the year, i.e the Derby. Four runner heats, five runner heats and all to prolong the competition, and not for the benefit of the dog. I don't think its right for all dogs in  heats to qualify in such a prestigious stake. This is not even a back door. Surely this ruins the spectacle and is not done for the good of the racing dog. I can't believe that a dog that fell in his heat, KO, is still in the competition after getting to his feet to finish, last. Is this a joke or not ?. Lots of doges picking up injuries also, so why could it not have been run as a 96 dog competition ?. Sadly I think they have got this wrong again. Shameful treatment of the connections last weekend when the identity cards were left at home. Not allowed run, when the cards were being rushed up later and all the information on the IGB site re identity etc.  This should not have been a problem.

Once again it goes to show were this once great sport is heading ....Jay the fact that a dog who was k.o'd is still in says it all ..They cant even fill the best race in Ireland ..Cant say I feel sorry for them either....

You can't bend the rules for certain trainers and expect the small man to obey them.
When the stake didn't fill it would have been hard to change the date of the final..........5 qualifying in the 1st round was a joke but that's life.
So you are blaming the IGB for the stake not filling. It will turn out to be a serious derby and the men will be sorted from the boys next weekend..........always easy to knock from the sidelines.

Gant these guys at IGB are on big money, to be on top of the game, and if they felt that they would get past numbers well they are sleeping on the job. I think everyone knows that there is a big scarcity of top open dogs, and its happening all over the Country's other tracks, with A1,A2 stakes failing to fill. Even A1 races being put back when a manager couldn't get 6. That's happening. Did the IGB think that owners of A3 or A4 dogs were going to fork out 300Euro to fill a box ? The derby is only starting now, so the REAL START could have been deferred, and should have been.............thanks WR for your comments as even though I understand you have left the game you do still know the score..............

Correct jaytrump......I am well aware of what's happening in the real world outside of Saturday night in Shelbourne. Friends of mine put an A1 dog in and done their €300 (their choice). Dogs are scarce and it will get worse......money just aint there.
Tracks are sending out letters to owners now looking for certain dogs to fill stakes.
The Bar One sprint was 6 dogs short of filling and a dog that was 5th in his 1st round heat is now in the final.
Most of us notice that the same faces are still complaining in bad times.........feeding a journalist only brigs the grant into the spotlight.

Gant , I'm sure you love the game , as I do , but having been thrown to the wolves by management over the years , bring fodder for the big lads etc ..I find I am experiencing  a slight morbid pleasure  at their plight ...Hopefully its a lesson they will never forget ...As a small owner/breeder/trainer , I feel , and many like me feel , that we  were ignored by IGB in their love affair with top trainers , everything was geared for them .What they failed to remember was that we contributed just as much , if not more ...The old saying of , it'll jump up and bite you in the arse springs  to mind....

I agree Workrider........The chap who does security at the back gate at HRX is a big Shamrock Rovers fan and he compared it to the way the LOI has gone.

A few rough years ahead, except this time money is just not there to cover the cracks. Sure if you roll over they will tickle your belly.

agree totally with workrider.me him and hundreds/thousands got shafted over the years for the benefit of the big boys.most people that kept track dogs like i did and many more loved the rearing and to see the greyhound progressing into adulthood..the hand slips, anticipation of the first time in a box etc.see will they break ok.then first race(usually very valid excuses if they dont win!!)..then eventually if they win maybe a sale..but the market collapsed,the igb took a different direction and the game is now on its knees...im not sorry to be honest.limerick is my nearest track and i havent been to it and many more like me havent either.

Kavvie, loads of lads that were once involved want to see the whole house of cards tumble.

sad really. i remember going for trials one of my last days and queing like everyone else which was enjoyable in its own way..bit of banter chat etc with like minded individuals.a local"big" boy walked straight to the top of the queue with 4 dogs and straight to the weigh in..i was livid.i asked the control steward when i reached the weigh in and he sid he had them pre booked!?..just a small thing but that was the attitude that was there at the time..

To be fair if trials are pre booked they should be honoured. I had 2 solo's privates pre booked at Dundalk one Saturday morning and some auld gob>Hite arrived with 4 dogs, they were not booked in so him being a big name created a scene but was told to wait until a gap appeared to fit him in.........trials were delayed by 30 mins.

You can't book qualifying trials, can you?.

Spot on Kavvie , one rule for them another for us ...Having said that Paul Hennessy was one of the nicest people you could meet and was a credit to greyhound racing ..I remember asking a Derby winning trainer one night at Shelbourne about a dog closely related to my breeding ....He totally ignored me , Paul who was standing near by overheard , called me aside and told me not to mind , the , in my words Bollox , and went on to sit with me till the end of racing . Regaling me with some smashing stories ..A real gent ...

Kavvie what track did this happen at?. Booking qualifying trials at a trialing session is a new one to me.

you cant book qualifying trials.you book private trials.these were qualifying trials..

you can guess

ran one a night in galway in same race with one of pauls .a gent.having said that the fcuker beat me a head!!

Can anyone tell me how to bring up tonights card at dundalk ..its showing just as racing tonight at dundalk but its not allowing me access...

...just your luck eh Kavvie..

Probably the only track that doesn't do private trials.......Am I right.
That's bad form we wouldn't be as quiet out in the sticks if it happened.

There you go

http://www.igb.ie/Racing/Upcoming-Events/Upcoming-Race-Cards/upcoming-race-summary/?track=DLK&id=70006&date=18-Aug-2013

Thanks Gant , I'm gonna go now ...Horse racing and the dogs all in one ...You cant beat that ..might see you there...?

stop talking fkin bullshit ffs - it was 3 qualify last night and there was no heat when all dogs got through

as for last week Matt forgot the cards and rules are rules so they where not allowed run - simple fkin as

i guarantee had they been allowed run there would have been a post on here about how they where allowed run bashing them over that - ffs

prem why are you so agressive?were having a nice exchange of views and you come on all fcuking?go easy man

some people come on bashing the IGB when they have done no wrong though - is that right??

as Gant said it was not their fault they didn't get the Derby to fill to the amount of entries they needed, someone says run it as a 96 runner comp, so what do that and then all those English punters who have booked flight and hotels for either the 1st round or final night [of which i know a load] miss out as they change the schedule??

some people just like to bahs the IGB constantly for no reason, yes round 1 was a joke and hurt me more tham most as i'd layed quite a few of those that finished 5th and qualified but it was not their fualt.

PF........well said.

people bashing the igb for reasons outside the derby prem.the first round of the derby was a shambles but wasnt igbs fault..just how it turned out

Kavvie........No sport is without it's faults.

agree totally gant.

Obviously one shouldn't really be laying dogs in this Derby without putting in the required homework. If 5 dogs are drawn to run in a heat, and if 5 are allowed qualify from that particular heat well that does mean that all the dogs in that heat are going through. They are all going to turn up in the next round so you really got to do the homework if your laying them. No ifs or buts about that. Just do the sums.

Not So Scottish ( a decent enough dog around Shel. Pk.), was knocked over and yet went through to the next round. For the record he finished a distant last.For anyone to say different is not correct, just check this dogs form on IGB.

Lets just stick to facts.

pmsl

do my homework - **** me ytou come out with some nonsense

Any one remember the old crosswords on the Sunday Indo ?. Used to go something like.....Its easy to [b]?ind[/b] people up on here, put in the missing letter its either F....M....or [b]W[/b].........

On a much more serious note Puma sustained a broken hock, and that follows on form 2 similar injuries to dogs from the KK stable. Not good something amiss, in Shel Pk., and Puma's trainer is upset over the track surface. Obviously the long dry spell has had a very bad effect on the track esp., that first bend...........

Does seem to be a problem at SPK at the moment - noticed a good few weeks back, the night Milldean Panther trialled back that quite a few dogs seemed to lose their footing around the first [Linwood Peter was another].

Hopefully the problem will be sorted

Just to add , I was very impressed with Dundalk yesterday . It was my first time horseracing there since the 90s ..I went a few times to the greyhounds and had a few runners there since it was refurbished . I never bothered going since they reopened the Racetrack , have to say i was impressed , viewing is not the greatest , but overall its a pleasant enough place , having eaten before heading off around 1 pm , I was feeling a little peckish around 7pm and decided to have a little snack , there was a huge line of people waiting in line , a young lady appeared with a notebook , took orders from each person , as you arrived at the counter your meal was ready ...Really smooth and quick , the food was fresh and great value ..So again I'll say well done Dundalk ...

You negated to tell us what you had to eat and what time you got home at Wonks........

What , and have you dissect my every move  Thickster....

A decent crowd stayed for the dogs........the pup in the first looks a serious dog.

AGREED Gant , thought it showed massive promise ...If i remember correctly it didn't break well , but finished like a rocket ......Really sorry for Martin , he was devastated ....Off out for awhile , talk soon...

Gutted for him Workrider, I was sure he had it.........Owen McKenna was gutted also, very unlucky. That pup missed the break and out in 6 didn't help. One trainer was on to an UK based Irishman after the race. A good offer an he will be sold I reckon.

I backed the winner Gant , but i really felt He should have won it AS HE WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE IN THE PHOTO AS WELL ...I spoke to him before racing and he told me his fellow got a little knock in its last piece of work ....

Hats off to the winner, he ran well all through the stake.

offered to Brendan i guess then Gant?

Yes and the draw was thought not to be a big help ...One of the reasons i backed it was i noticed that the inside dogs were not breaking all that well in the sprints , and i just thought the outside boxes had an edge ..Turns out i got something right in the end...

if anyone has a bet365 a/c Hollycross gerry 10/1 in the 8.32 race[h/3] is a cracking bet..5/1 with P.P.

he  might  star  fav   in  that   heat

No PF.........different chap.

Was having a sconce on IGB.ie around the various tracks this am. Looking mostly at future stakes etc., and its some joke that tracks cant keep an up to date picture as to what's coming up at their track. Maybe some managers cant turn on their pc's. But  then they have assistants, don't they ? Two tracks are blank, no future stakes, not even a Benefit night, what price one of these to be the first IGB track to shutdown completely this winter?.

Lets hope your wish doesn't come true. Most track do not have assistant racing managers. Most lads entering up dogs do not depend on the future stakes section of www.igb.ie.......sporting press, telephone,nightly race cards and the notice on the weigh room door.
Some tracks do update it but not many.

The Derby fiasco continues with plenty more injuries at HQ., three full days of rain needed as IGB cant sort the track obviously lack of money is hitting the upkeep of the tracks, probably using cheaper sand, and sparing the hose ..............now the Spy is out and Vic in trubbl after a slip up by connections............

It's funny though, Matt kicked up a fuss over the track when Skywalker Puma went wrong two weeks ago [fair enough he thinks it wasn't safe] yet then turns up last Saturday and runs Skywalker Mandy in a one off open now if i felt the track was unsafe i would not be turning up the very next week with another of the same owners dogs to run in a one off open

PF........You know yourself when a dog goes wrong, first reaction is to blame the track. Lots of dogs were carrying niggles going into the derby......one excellent vet was flat out before the derby and between heats trying to keep certain dogs going. His acupuncture needles must be wore out by now.

The old saying.......The good ones always get injured.

Jaytrump......You would have good craic with the SPK jessies waiting for and hoping something goes wrong.

I remember Matt telling me one night  at Newbridge , while we were walking our dogs , before racing , that most of his dogs were injured because of the sand that tracks were using ...

id say matt was worried if wonks had a runner in the same race......

Well in fairness to Matt Shelbourne did have a full week, to dig it up and put it back, plenty time as they don't have un-official trials. They surely worked on the track in the intervening week.

Don't really know any Jessie or Jessies in Shel Pk., and I hate to see injuries to our dogs. Just a bit ott from the IGB man. Must be feeling the heat.

Well in fairness to Matt Shelbourne did have a full week, to dig it up and put it back, plenty time as they don't have un-official trials. They surely worked on the track in the intervening week.


well then why are you bringing up Holdem Spy's injury if the track was fine on Saturday just gone??


as for the track i've said there does seem to be a lot of injuries recently [maybe down to the new sand?], i said b4 the Derby i thought something was up watching trials when quite a few dogs where losing their footing around the first

however i have also learned there is an abundance of whingers within greyhound racing who are never bloody happy

wats this about a ringer running in dunalk?twud be all the same for all you would get on id say

Kavvie guy called Mickey Rooney , i kid you not . took a couple of £200 bets off me the other night ...I know its not a massive amount , but try have £200 on a horse at Sedgefield and they'd tell you , no thanks mate...

would it be worth risking putting in a ringer even for a few duece bets?..

Aug 29, 2013 -- 10:12PM, workrider wrote:

Kavvie guy called Mickey Rooney , i kid you not . took a couple of £200 bets off me the other night ...I know its not a massive amount , but try have £200 on a horse at Sedgefield and they'd tell you , no thanks mate...

on that night there is no problem getting on at all

No flashy boards there on a normal night either.

would you get a grand on in total in any race any night?my point abot putting in a ringer is would it be worth it for small money?you would want to be making at least 10k to risk it?

Probably not...the 3 regular bookies there wouldn't take shag all..........Most of the shyte talkers attend Shelbourne, Curraheen.........decent crowds, lively markets and couldn't give a toss what goes on outside of there.

Was the ringer set up for a touch or a sale.......who knows.
The shyte being fed to Conor Ryan in the paper is doing serious damage to the sport at local level.

why dont they come clean and say what happened.?..i seen many ringers doing trials years ago but never in a race.thats not to say it wasnt going on.

They refused to cooperate with the Gardaí and the dog was taken straight out after the race.........I don't think anyone denied what happened.

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Probably not...the 3 regular bookies there wouldn't take shag all..........Most of the shyte talkers attend Shelbourne, Curraheen.........decent crowds, lively markets and couldn't give a toss what goes on outside of there.

Was the ringer set up for a touch or a sale.......who knows.
The shyte being fed to Conor Ryan in the paper is doing serious damage to the sport at local level.



and most post on data under names which are not theres

Very true PF. Just like here the forum on greyhounddata has been hijacked by gob^hytes.