The Dignity Of Praveen

Well said, wildman. I have learned, a long time ago, that there is always two sides to every story.Until we hear the other side it is very premature to pass judgement. The amount of coverage this tragic case has been getting appears excessive. Why is there a need for a public inquiry? Surely these investigations can be conducted by a coroner or the medical council.

The whole episode is tragic and clearly the man is distraught and possibly not in the right frame of mind at the moment. I can understand though why people are starting to think like this as the media coverage has seemed very one sided and also as he does not want to cooperate with the Irish authorities. Its typical of Irish society to think he has ulterior motives so lets get on with the investigation and see what comes of it, by not cooperating with the investigation he may by hurting his own case 

The crux of the matter is a woman has died and we need to find out why, whether the husband wants to help or not

Not so distraught to forget to employ I high powered legal team,this is about money money for him,money for her family and most importantly money for his legal team who are busily racking up fees.

Well Said.

To be fair 99.99% of people would make a claim and engage a high-powered legal team. It’s probably coming across to Irish people that he is making a meal of it and is only interested in the money and not the death of his wife. If the doctors have **** up and his wife has died needlessly then he is quite entitled to take the HSE to the cleaners I‘d do it myself 

Just because we don’t like the way he is going about it doesn’t mean its wrong

If i was in his position i would be looking for answers but i would also be looking to for money although that second part would be much further down the road. Surely Wildman you can understand to a certain degree where he's coming from?

Is it all about the money for the Harte family against the Mauritious paper too?? His wife died because people in an Irish hospital were too stupid to use common sense and so should get what is coming to them, if of course that is exactly what happened. It is also very possible not all facts are being reported and the Irish government are in an awkward PR situation. Let the inquiry do their job and hopefully no weakness if it unfolds there is a completely different side to the story.

A tragic case indeed but points very well made in the opening post.

Wildman, I have to say that I am quite surprised by your post, and the comments therein.

Perhaps you have closed your ears to what information has been put into the public domain. Notably the comments of a grieving husband, regarding a request (more than one btw),made by the deceased woman to her, as you say 'dignified' doctors.
Once again Enda Kenny has been disengenious with his comments to the husband , made across the Dail chambers, calling the deceased husband a 'decent man'. Comments more in line with pub talk.
It seems that we are going to be left with the scenario here of the HSE investigating the HSE. Is this type of investigation going to be transparent ?, I would have grave doubts. In fact I would have loads of doubts.

Wildman I do however have a feeling that you may well be  posting something totally removed from your own real feelings on this subject, because I believe you to be a decent skin, as Dunphy used to say.

Has anybody in the media, politics or many lobby groups with vested interests actually listened to the interview given last night. She was admitted to hospital where she was told she would miscarry. Once the Foetal heartbeat could not be heard her womb was evacuated. After a number of hours, she then was diagnosed with Septicemia of which she tragically died.

There is absolutely no proof, her being given a termination would have saved her life. A nurse on the frontline the other night basically said this also but was shouted down. She said same number of women die in Britain of Septicemia. and Termination is allowed there

I am completely open to being wrong as none of the facts of the situation of both sides are in the public domain, only rumour and inuendo peddled by the media and lobby groups.

God help the poor man and I hope in time, he can gain some peace of mind, but there is simply no justification for a public enquiry given what he said in the interview last night. The laws of medics and of the land provide for a coroners inquiry and an internal inquiry by the HSE.

If he was white and Irish 1.01 this thread would not have been started. That's what it was going to be Jay the HSE investigating the HSE

by fk what a disgrace of a thread wildman , and its on a gambling forum ? ffs do you think any money is going to compensate for that poor mans loss , just because the man seeks integrity you feel you can have a shot ? It's clear life has made you bitter and your thread smacks of racist undertones of which you have shown before on this forum , ffs walk in that mans shoes , **** me it's a sad life you lead !

easy to see the cul de sac any investigation will encounter. it will be the husband's word versus the word of the medical staff in the hospital. the hospital prior to this case had a record as the safest maternity unit in the state, so they have positive currency. with the budget coming up, this will last in the media for another week or so and then slide off the agenda. with a scoreless draw likely in any investigation, some compensation is assured, a sum of money of the magnitude equal to the cost of keeping a small regional hospital for a month.

what sticks in the neck of most people, is after the initial feeling of sympathy, that now has been diluted by the cold professional legal/litigation approach taken by the husband and his mouthy brief. whether it smacks of racism or not, i guarantee you if this incident happened in an Indian hospital, a woman dying of septicemia, the husband wouldnt get the light of day in the Indian media, no compensation 1.01, and he would not be dictating to the Indian government.

when the circus is over, maybe mr londonderry might send down some of his department officials to check if the thriving indian community in galway are all here legally.

This  sad topic has no place on this forum. If the op has such a varied interest in so many topics , he maybe should join another forum as well.

This is a sports/gambling forum, a very good one at that, it has improved alot with the onset of nh racing.

Starting controversial  non sports topics like this only creates ill  will among irish  sports/gambling fans.

well said irish guy!

Irish Guy may have a point but ye have the option of ignoring,it could only cause I'll will to the intolerant the type that don't allow differing views.
The man is suing us whatever award he gets will be borrowed so when you see the ground being prepared for a huge claim I think it is worth pointing out.Everyone here has had some misfortune at some time but we don't look for money for it but the modern trend is,the usual guff is dished out no money will compensate but give me and my brilliant legal team as much as we can get our Germns on.
Regularly I read in the newspaper some criminal explaining his wealth to some court refers to one or two claims against the Corporation,a child molester recently was waiting on his claim to compensate his victims and all the time a voracious legal system are racking up outrageous fees,a local man here fell to drunkenness made a bogus claim with the help of a compliant solicitor was terrified of court but the case was settled with the legal team getting their whack and most of his share of the swag went to Hacketts.
The new trend is after receiving some ludicrous award you go on RTE where you are lauded by a gleeful Reporter praising the fight and the always brilliant legal team,another new trend is the top up the money has been squandered so back you come for another go.
The reporting on this case has been biased,the use of emotionalism has meant everybody must accept his version of events and the Galway doctors have had to remain silent whilst outrageous things have being said to them.

It might be called the Irish Sports forum but I don't see any problem with Irish forumites starting threads about Irish current affairs, try starting a similar thread on the chit chat forum and it would be swallowed up in no time, a new thread seems to be started every second on the chaotic chit chat forum.

You can agree with the op, you can disagree, take the middle ground or simply ignore the thread altogether.

non-sporting threads are few and far between here and, imo, welcome.

we have here, undeniably, a "community" of sports fans who at various stages love and loather one another but there is respect for most opinions.

I see it as a compliment to everyone here that certain controversial non-sporting issues are raised as it tells me the opinions of the community are valued. In any event, sport gets very close to politics and economics at the best of times.

this particular topic can veer very close to being labelled racist but my contempt is for the usual suspects in the legal profession drooling at the mouth for another big award. from personal experience my negative view on this profession knows no bounds.

More threats from the dignified one.
The legal profession with the help of the judiciary have been pillaging this state for years.There seem to be two sets of fees one for ordinary cases and another for when the state is picking up the tab,this has become such a joke that Bertie Ahernes legal fees for the Mahon tribunal were never going to be paid but by getting a judge onside these gentlemen suddenly hit the jackpot and can now charge whatever they like even though they had it written off years ago,Ray Burkes legal team are now dusting down their records in anticipation of a unexpected bonanza.

I have no prob with those showing contempt for the greedy legal teams , i would be in complete agreement with that , i have a huge amount of sympathy for the greiving husband , he prob does not his arse from his elbow at this stage. I won't even attempt to start ranting about the hse , it would take me all day

I've never had a problem with threads dealing with issues and events of major public import -and I can honestly say that I've seen many enlightened and informative exchanges on the forum. Yes , abuse and over-emotionalism occasionally break out but that's inevitable and happens in almost all public debates on contentious topics. Overall I would say that the level and quality of discussion on here is as comprehensive  and wide-ranging as any I hear on national media.
We seem to have a broad spectrum of posters -running from ante-diluvian Celtic / Gaelic tribalist specimens to modern rationalist/humanist philosophical types.
The great plus about an anonymous forum is that more probing critical stances can be taken and approaches that would be too sensitive for public media consumption can be undertaken.
I applaud the contributions of  wmfb who exhibits an admirable independence of mind and who's never afraid to challenge cosy consensus 'thinking'.

wildman, if you are referring to me as somehow threatening you or anyone else, you are well wide of the mark...more corner flag than just outside the upright.

Incidentally RA -I want to say that your post at 10.53 was beautifully weighted and bang on the button .

Big difference bewteen being a brave challenger of cosy consensus thinking and simply appearing crass and small minded like the OP here. If someone cant see the glaring difference between people suing the state for falling over a manhole and the likes of the Halappanavars seeking redress after their lives have been destroyed, there's hardly any point in even having a debate.

So, as well as Priveen Halappanavar, the list of those sponging off the state or trying to do so would include: the family of the late Michelle Harte (maybe she doesn't count because she's Irish?), the family of the late Brigid McCole and all the 100s of hemophiliacs who were infected with bad blood, due to appalling state negligence, and then, to add insult to injury, were made to feel like perpetrators, not victims, when they sought to bring the State to account. So according to the perverse logic here, all these people, not to mention those who suffered unspeakable abuse in state run institutions, are painted as spongers because they pursue compensation against a State that acted at all times as if these "nuisances" would simply disappear and leave them in peace.

As for the poster who thought he'd use the terrible tragedy in Galway to pose questions about the Indian community in the area, words fail me. What has this got to do with the tragic events that took place in Galway University hospital? Presumably, when this issue has been dealt with to your satisfaction, you'll then set your sights on the 1000s of illegal Irish in America, whom we've happily exported from this country because we've no place for them here. Oh no, they're different of course, lets give them all green cards immediately because they're Irish, everybody loves the Irish, don't they?

There's folk here rightly saying we need to wait for the full facts of this case to emerge before making judgements, yet all too willing to pose snide comments about the husbands reaction to his wife and child's death, with absolutely no knowledge of what his real motives might be. Ah, but they're challenging the cosy consensus, you say. Ah right. Brave men indeed

what his genuine motives are. But sorry, they are just challenging the cosy consensus. Ah, brave men indeed.

Royal Academy I wasn't referring to you,I was referring to this new threat of going to the European courts if we don't accede to his latest demands.
We are the state so these people suing the state are suing us,ye have to get it out of your head that all misfortune is a lottery win.This notion introduced again by gentlemanjohe that ye are all entitled to sue but the state is not allowed defend itself is an interesting concept of justice and is a form of emotional blackmail,it also conveniently removes any need to prove your case.We know that the redress board was inundated with bogus claims but they had to grant them some money for fear of being called unfeeling,complaints of physical abuse and cold in the sixties and fifties got you large sums yet no one could mention that that was the lot of all children in those days.
Compensation was granted to the families of people who sent their parents into a nursing home yet the families who selflessly looked after their parents received nothing,the ombudsman Emily OReilly recently boasted that she had got a family over eighty grand in compensation for their parents pension despite the fact they were late applying.
This country is bust yet it is acting as if it has pots of the stuff,in a previous generation Arthur Griffith refused a salary because the state couldn't afford it.
One thing I would bet on is Gentlemanjohn makes his living in the legal profession because they always end up with more money than the recipients of the compensation.
I am becoming increasingly dubious about the veracity of his statements,he has gotten it out there that he is dignified,the Taoiseach has said he is a decent man so those doctors will have one hard job if they dare challenge some of his assertions
The world of Gentlemanjohn would be one where on receiving any injury or sickness you first ring your legal team and then your doctor.

it has to be one of those delicious ironies of ideology, that those in the group who promote multiculturalism and it's bed fellow a seculiar society, they support the idea of tolerism for all , except, of course if you would prefer a more nationalistic closed society...they dont tolerate you at all because you get called a racist.

we saw with the us election, that the states is split down the middle, the rural biased deeply nationalistic and insular reps, versus the urban favoured open to multiculturalism dems. if we had a different political party system in this country rather than the civil war rooted one, i believe we too would see a polar split in irish society. the older rural conservatives versus the younger urbane social democrats, again i would say like the USA a relatively even split.

clearly, gentlemanjohn(hope its not an oxymoron), views some of us here of the conservative nature as deep rooted racists and neanderthal in our outlook. that is his opinion. i believe one is fully entitled to hold a viewpoint as long as it is a legally permitted one. when the multiculturalists are losing an argument or under pressure, they produce the racist card as a parachute. clever, though now wearing thin.

you refer to my questioning of the legitimacy of indian nationals in ireland. am i not entitled to?it is a valid question to ask.

india is not in the eu and has no cultural past with ireland. an indian national requires a work visa to live in ireland. given the lengthening dole queues i would see little reason to be granting irish work visas to non eu citizens unless they had special skills or were inward investing.


look at the cosy consensus in the media....no one has asked the question of on what grounds were the deceased and her husband living in ireland?..were they on a holiday visa, or a work visa, if a work visa i am puzzled because the deceased was described as part of the dental profession, and as this country is flooded with them, i see no reason to gain a work visa on that basis. if the husband is eventually going to clean the state, ie, us the taxpayers, for mutilple millions, we too are entitled to some answers for awkward questions.

Just one more post on this. I have no issue with the likes of WMFB having their views on this, personally I dont feel qualified enough to have very strong views, so I leave them to their cosy consensus challenging. The only thing I object to is the labelling of victims like Brigid McCole, Michelle Harte and others - perhaps including Praveen Halappanavar - as state spongers. This is cruel and offensive to the memory of people whose lives were destroyed by the state and you can be the brave man and spout on about whatever else you like, but I won't let you away with that. It cheapens everything else you say and, as far as I'm concerned, makes every other opinion you express on the matter redundant.

Keen leader, the question i am asking is this. Correct me if i'm wrong - the issue about Indian immigrants here is something you have thought about for some time, yet it is only at this time - after the tragic death of a mother and child - that you think to raise it on a forum. Or maybe you have expressed this opinion on other occasions, either here or elsewhere? Anyway, I think it is hugely regrettable to raise this issue at this particular time, its not related to the events that took place, the nationality of the people involved should not make a difference here. I'd have no problem with the issue being raised at any other time, but on the back of such a tragic event, I do have a problem with it. And no that is not me accusing you of being a racist - not particularly clever of you to infer such a thing - but I am saying I find it crass and highly insensitive. There is a big difference there.

And if we are to have a debate about immigration, I fail to see how we can do so without reference to the 1000s of Irish illegals across the globe as I mentioned previously. Or the 1000s of Irish people who took the boat to England and, before they even looked for a job, the first thing they did was to sign up for the dole, often not signing off even when they found work. But we're a nation of hypocrites anyway, myself included, so my bet is we'd carry off such a debate with considerable aplomb. Lets weed out all those dodgy Indians while we scream for justice for the undocumented Irish in America.

HOw many of us here have brothers, sisters, cousins, friends living and working illegally in America, Australia, other places? Should we ship them up to the relevant authorities or just keep turning a blind eye as we all do? Awkward questions for sure...lets see if we will get the answers

If you are going to cynically use someones name to further your argument you should at least try and get it right.
The word sponger is yours not mine and you use it dishonestly seems it is insensitive to defend yourself when you really mean that pesky state are making us come up with some proof before handing over swathes of cash and the legal people might have to do some work before they get their hands on the loot.You can bring up the hard cases all you like but we all know that the legal profession have colluded with villain after villain to fleece the state.

what a sad and inconsiderate clown wildman is revelling in a mans grief on a sports forum

What kind of twisted mind comes up with these claims? This woman has been let down by our weak minded politicians who over the last 20 years have refused to legislate for the predicament she found herself in. The courts demanded by their judgement that the government should legislate to address the results of the X case. Failure to do so amounts to contempt of court. If Praveen and his extended families enter a case against the state the only people to blame are the weak minded politicians who have inhabited Leinster House over the last 20 years. These politicians including our Taoiseach by their lack of courage to grasp the nettle of legislation have been caught with their trousers down. Any multi million pound settlement which is made should be deducted from their inflated salaries and the inflated pensions of those retired members of the Oireachtas since 1992. Praveen if he enters a case will be doing Mna Na hEireann a great favour and in the midst of his grief should be applauded for such action and not be accused indirectly of lacking in dignity.

Its disappointing that people continue to believe as fact that had the woman been given a termination, she would still be alive today. She died of Septicemia which is bacterial blood poisoning. If anyone could show me any medical journal that highlights how Termination of pregnancy cures or even helps cure this, it would be enlightening. I have seen articles about how in some not all cases it is caused by Miscarriage, but given it is a blood born virus/infection, a termination would be useless as a treatment. I could be completely wrong but sadly the staff at Galway Hospital are having their careers questioned on the innuendo peddled by the media. This is where an Inquiry will find the truth (Sadly in some cases maybe the truth will never be known)

Its one thing to debate abortion, but to use this case to do so is not correct imho. Nobody can blame the poor husband. What sort of frame of mind is he in god only knows, but the media and lawyers have shown their true colours once again.

having been away for a few days in the west , i only saw this thread now ...i' like to add my own story if i may ...my daughter gave birth to a little girl in a dublin hospital 3 years next tuesday ....after giving birth , my daughter for some unknown reason started to show signs of distress , the medical team were perplexed , slowly it began to dawn on them that something was seriously wrong , anyone who could be was called  , as it became obvious something very worrying as happening , the medical team had failed to notice that my daughter was bleeding excessively internally , during the mayhem nobody picked this up , enough to say she lost five pints of blood in a short space of time and very nearly died ...eventually the medical team stemmed the flow of blood , and my daughter spent several days in intensive care , unable to even hold her newborn she was that ill ...when she came home from the hospital we sat and discussed what course of action we would take ...over several days we talked about what action we should take , my daughter having the final word in the matter ...my son in law was distraught and found i hard to cope , having been present at the birth and seeing his wife nearly die in front of him...we talked about how they felt etc ...after a few days my daughter and her husband decided they would not take a case against the hospital or the medical team on duty..sighting as a reason their belief that the medical team were under tremendous stress from pressure of work ...we thanked god for the safe delivery of my daughter and granddaughter ...the happy ending to all this is ,my daughter has now got over her fear of having another child , and has recently informed us that she is having another baby , which is due next may , and she will be having it in the same hospital ...i wish that man all the best and hope he gets  peace of mind no matter what road he goes down....weather money is the answer only he knows....

u must be very proud wr......ah sure,yre a great fellow!....

A great post by Diamond Jim Quimby succinct and seeing through the deliberate smokescreens.
I felt both pride and admiration reading Workriders post,we know him to be decent and popular but this shows that he and his family are patriots in the true sense not the one beloved by those playing minor roles in Love Hate.In a time of crisis for his family he thought of the doctors and because the man is devoid of greed money didn't enter into their decision despite the fact that at the time the government was throwing money at everything.
The country is now bust because of greed and a political and legal elite that pillaged the country,we need people like Workrider and his family to bring back the idea of service and not just feathering your own nest.

Kingrat living up to his name again.

The dignified one is making some demands and is now busily racking up legal fees to keep the oily Charlie Rich lookalike in funds,have no doubt he knows this craven state will give him the key to the state safe because they cannot be seen to be unfeeling.
Easy to be generous with money you have borrowed but your grandchildrens generation will have to pay back.

An enquiry that they refused to cooperate with is now being seized upon by Praveens legal team as vindication plus the leaking has caused such terrible distress,you can just hear the cash register clicking and the legal fees soaring.

If only racing was this easy,everything I said in that opening post has come to pass the multi pound claim is now ready and is many sided,the details are on page 5 of yesterday's Sunday Independant.

This has been choreographed from the beginning with the Charlie Rich lookalike jumping up and down with joy at this equivalent of a lottery win.

That's a fairly low blow there wildman - the man's wife is dead so to suggest that he is "jumping up and down with joy at this equivalent of a lottery win" is a pretty crass comment. Your previous comment many months ago regarding your own late wife are I'm sure echoed by every bereaved spouse across this country and beyond and I am sure that Praveen Halappanavar misses his wife every day just as much as you miss yours. I can tell you that if my wife died and it was as a result of somebody else's negligence, I would have no hesitation in ensuring that they paid, and paid dearly, for that mistake.

The man jumping up and down is not him its his advisor.

This was planned from the start and was done cynically all actions were designed to maximise the claim.

I Personally would never sue the state because I consider myself part of the state and as such its an unpatriotic act.

People have to get it out of their heads that misfortune is something you get money for its not its just misfortune.

The so-called abortion legislation will do little to prevent another similar occurence as long as we are led by our (Roman-ruled) consciences. Like so many aspects of irish life and the D4 conservative elite calling the tune official Ireland is completely out of step with its electorate's wishes.

Oh the power of subliminal messages and the proof that if you say something often enough it becomes fact,Miriam OCallaghan read out some E mails after the interview and all used the word dignified.

More importantly, any word of Praveen?  How is the poor sod holding up?

The one thing he won't be is poor.

The man has lost his wife.  Try and show him some respect.

Calling him a poor sod is hardly respectful.

His claim will be settled quickly but he will return with another and sure then he will get all the respect in the world.

Amazing, for a man who knows what its like to lose a wife, you show zero empathy.

For you its just another excuse to get up on your soapbox and pontificate.

But I never sued anyone.

You had no reason to.

Neither has he.

The hospital through his PR campaign were forced to apologise and the constant propaganda has made most think they were culpable they were not,some things just happen we cannot always apportion blame.

That's for the judicial process to decide.

I suggest you write to your TD rather than boring us about it on here.

Or take up a course at the Open University, qualify and try and influence matters from within.  You are just passing time and blowing smoke on here, you might as well do something constructive with your time.

Its not compulsory reading why not just ignore,tis you that keeps replying and reporting.

I could write you a letter of recommendation.  It would have a certain gravitas coming from a Cambridge man.

Ozymandius M.Phil (Cantab)

Not meaning to be smart Ozy but remember doing the Bysshe Shelley poem many moons ago in school,how have you made such an error regarding the spelling of your user name?
Lapsy (leaving cert)

I had a feeling that would smoke out a few!

Were you a University Man, Old Pa?

Ah no, I see now that you only lay claim to the Leaving Cert.

Still, it was different in those days Old Pa, not many went on to third level.

No, as said above, not that i would put too much gravitas on it anyway.
Knew a fair few very clever people that spent most of their lives doing menial work(and nothing wrong with that) often due to the pressure of trying to bring money to a large household instead of furthering education.

No, quite, Old Pa.

Its an interesting point you make about how the lack of contraception constrained life choices.

Not necessarily Ozy maybe a factor though,without doubt a wealthier world nowadays(despite recession). Good to see the younger Irish generation in the main well educated(unfortunately at the moment stands them in good stead for emigration). Sometimes its lifes lottery and while people worked for their degree still say it wasn,t an option for most in past times.

Agreed, Pa.  Most of the younger lads on here are well-educated, Richters probably the one exception.

Maybe Richters could have spelled Ozymandias correctly,who knows?
A lot of lads who mightn,t have a degree on here make up for it by showing 'class', hard to get a diploma in that, Ozy.

Maybe he could (thought frankly I doubt it), but would he have had the imagination to 'bling up' and personalise the mundane, straightforward 'Ozymandias'?

Showing class is indeed important, Pa.  I am surprised that your contribution in this thread is a perceived spelling correction.  How do you feel about Praveen's loss?

All done too quick Ozy, the poor woman was hardly cold and compo was talked about.

Is the compensation justified iyo?

Well it has to be dosn,t it Ozy, The manner of going about it was not right imo, little respect was shown to the woman by pursuing it so quickly and God forbid anything happened to Mrs Lapsy i,d be quite sure monetary gain would be the last thing on my mind at least for a considerable time after if ever.

We all react differently in times of grief, Pa.  Especially those from different cultures.  (For example I have seen families throw their recently bereaved family member's corspe out into the yard without a care in the world, and left there to throw on the fire at the end of the month...extraordinary to us, the norm for others)  We should not apply our norms on others.

The important thing is that we live in a State wherin people are held accountable and that there are mechanisms by which they are held accountable.

..OZY HAVE A LOOK AT THIS STORY OVER ON CHIT CHAT....What it is like to be a Muslim woman, and why we know what freedom

Great point, wonky.  The compensation of Praveen is another example of our relatively enlightened society.

OZY YOUR RECENT POST  Especially those from different cultures.  (For example I have seen families throw their recently bereaved family member's corspe out into the yard without a care in the world, and left there to throw on the fire at the end of the month......The country whence Praveen came from , WOULDN'T BE NOTED FOR ITS UNDERSTANDING OF WOMEN DYING IN CHILDBIRTH ...In fact they probably hold the worst record of women dying in child birth , and its no big thing ..I think the point Wildmanfromborneo is making is along those lines ...A few years ago i nearly lost my daughter in child birth , a horrific time for all of us ..thank God she survived , but never once did we think of suing the hospital for negligence ...they hadn't a leg to stand on ...

with all due respect workrider a case based on something "nearly" happening is unlikely to attract a solicitor or senior counsel unlike a case of death caused by misadventure. these chaps have strange standards and it must pain them to have to defend the dregs of life every thursday in the district court....thank god for free legal aid, what?

good on you defenders of our sceptered isle....imo we have enough beasts in ireland without attracting any more

i nearly backed a winner last night at Fairyhouse but the unscrupulous bast-ad bookie failed to see my pain and pay out

Are you suggesting, wonky, that we should apply the laws of where a person comes from when they are in Ireland, or should we apply our own?

Jul 4, 2013 -- 12:52PM, workrider wrote:

OZY YOUR RECENT POST

Yes if they are in the wrong

I have no problem with compensation - I do have a problem that no heads will roll as a result of the incident, but that's a separate issue

Compensation is this countries solution to PR problem issues for an incumbent government. Whether people like it or not, people die in hospitals....its a fact of life. The problem today is that there always has to be someone to blame. No staff in galway were criminally negligent. They followed the letter of the law as they saw it. The whole issue has been trial by media with no public case allowed for the defense.

Redress schemes are governments solutions to remove a PR problems for themselves rather than defending themselves which is great because all the money they dish out (with little or no proof needed) isnt theirs, its the tax payers of today...none of whom have committed a crime.
Why should current tax payers pay for crimes committed decades ago by private citizens.

I said to myself when this women died if that was my wife I would not hang about for mickey mouse internal inquiries where the establishment can steer things in there own direction. I would have sued them straight off ,get them into a witness box defending themselves and get answers that way.So I am happy to see developments this week.Sadly,no amount of money will undo the consequences of what happened in that hospital.

Kitty Holland now cashing in on this case,got herself a lovely holiday in India as well.

Mary Robinson wrote the forward for the book and used the word dignified as did Kitty Holland in her interview today.

The dignified one is naturally staying on here to oversee the many multifaceted claims he has ongoing,the persecution of the staff of Galway hospital is still in full flight.

The legal fees are racking up,the propaganda war has been won,RTE will be cheering on from the sidelines but the end result will be the  IHS having to close down some ward to pay for the massive awards.