Whatuthink and Voler all thats wrong with Irish racing!

Apoligies one of his shocking defeats was a flat race.

typo redbait, would you like to give an opinion on yesterdays race?

fine then we'll call her a horse,

How about the almost unbelievable improvement from whatuthink?, should have been 66/1 not 25/1, once the Mullins horse was taken out the heavy hitters couldn't get enough of her, surely even an 80% fit VLV should have hosed up on the bridle?. The ground is no issue for this mare, but Colm Murphy left a tonne of work on her and the heavy hitters can go jump in the ocean as their money was dead before the race even began.

sg,
It is ill-advised to read too much into the industy SP's, as they are notoriously tight. Betfair SP is a much better reflection and his was 199/1. I couldn't tell you why Whatuthink bounced back to form, but the McKiernan horses tend to be very inconsistent for whatever reason and personally I find them very difficult to read. Regarding VLV, on her best form, of course she should have won, but any horse is vulnerable on their seasonal reappearance when not fully fit, especially in a well-run race as this one was. If they had gone steady, she probably would have won well, but there you go. Like I said, anyone getting seriously involved at 1/7 on a horse with that profile isn't going to be a winner in the long run, IMO.

Probably, but it wouldn't be a certainty. She is a mare that has a few miles on the clock and one should never take it for granted that such animals will automatically return to their best every season.

well if Flemestar was only 80% and hosed up on the bridle, I dread to think how unfit VLV was?

Odds on chances get beaten all the time, look at Fairyhouse last Wednesday, Naas on Saturday and Limerick yesterday. VLV was given a fair ride and had every chance. She didnt know she was 1/7.

I feel the only story here is the winner and his recent form. Did the stewards at Navan ask a question? The fact the its not reported in the Examiner suggests they didnt and that may have been following consultation with the handicapper. Maybe.

Remember, there is no one batting for the punter. Ye are very much on your own.

If horses could talk we might all be wiser.

I'd like to think the win was more due the an opportunistic ride by Tom Doyle. He is very good on front runners. I done my dough at 1.16

always an excuse guys?, the day when somebody grows a pair is the day wwhen punters might get a fu!king look in.

Millions upon millions of money is backed every day, surely that money deserves some protection don't you think?

Not some effing trainer who unfortunately has at least a million euro riding on a horse he never for one second even tried to win a race?, and he sleeps well that night, and the punter who lost his socks should except it as fact?, yeh except it guys, keep on excepeting it guys?

Why are you so angry silvergreaser -are you not able to handle the unpredictability of horse racing.

Paulie.......The town of newbridge has always had a love/hate affair with gambling/racing and the influx of stable staff........It could be personal but silvergreaser seems to target/bad mouth those outside of the Curragh..

Thats why I'm angry its the apathy that galls me more than anything else, they can defraud on a daily basis and know full well that the so called authorities all sing from the same hymn sheet.

The authorities all own stud farms who sell to owners who put those horses in training ridden by jockeys, how in the name whatever god or any you believe in can you win?.

And the media sup sumptuous gravy, while remaining blind and deaf, because why bite the hand that feeds?.

Believe me rat I know that, I was virtually reared in a bookie shop, my mother spent virtually her whole life working for some bookmaker or other, I myself worked part time for donkeys years, I know the whole ins and outs, yet I'll never except that trainers can do what they want when they want, its wrong, but of course they know horses can't talk, the fail safe they fall back on time and time again, dare question them and they hit you with some sort of litigation threat, knowing full well the burden of proof is on you and as we said the dumb animal can't talk.

As mentioned Hong Kong, they routed the corruption so much so trainers and jockeys are but serfs, the punter is king, in Ireland the punter is a victim of apathy.

But are they not entitled to gamble regardless if their mugs rat?, its wrong that some horse trainer or other decides their faith, basically its not off today you poor dregs of society in the bookie shop, so go **** yourself.

Some of the nicest guys I ever met were betting shop fodder.

Two losing punters, drunk as lords on a Monday night, trying to convince each other that the game is the problem, not their poor judgement. Lads, there are hundreds if not thousands of winning punters in Ireland that know how the game works. Anyone can make it pay if they open their eyes and are willing to learn, but some are too simple and/or stubborn to do that and are destined to lose, just like you too. Sad.

SG, you decided to duck out of my question re Casey/O'Brien and their 80% fit horses. You have a view on most things, I'm surprised you didn't point this one out yourself. What's your view? Is it ok for the little guy to do it?

Redbait I've often won huge money for small stakes, I'm aware that not all races are corrupt but some are.

Trainers do send horses to the racecourse with no intention whatsoever of winning the race, basically trying to pull the wool over your eyes for their own selfish gain, but thats ok, its horse racing after all its inherently corrupt we should just except that fact and get on with it?, or maybe somebody with a pair can make a concerted effort to clean the stinking game up, like Hong Kong, they were infiltrated by criminal gangs, bought trainers and jockeys, did they just sit back and relax and say ah thats the way it is?, no they went for the jugular and routed the corruption from the face of the earth, so much so racing in Hong Kong is almost 100% clean these days, Irish racing will as always remain a guessing game, guessing which one is off today?.

Yeh premier but mostly only w/ends, or when there is a big midweek meeting like say Ascot or Newmarket etc.

Racing has changed enormously, back say in the 80s you never really had anymore than a couple of meetings during the day, maybe 4 on a Saturday?, no Sunday racing, it was much easier to get your head around it, nowadays you're saturated with meetings daytime and night time, especially during the summer months, not to mention the introduction of the exchanges, which has made it almost impossible to get your head around.

To be honest I probably speculate more on sporting events these days, at least you know you've only got 3 outcomes, home win, away win or draw, Golf can be extremely difficult with 150 strong fields, but I generally have a small bet just for interest purposes, apart from say when Tiger was in his prime usually as short as 6/4 (no thanks), how many favs actually win a golf tournament?, very few, but a least you know its not a guessing game unlike horse racing.

I'm no big punter, I'm mostly a tenner each way punter, its what I can afford, gambling doesn't upset my family life, its my pocket money, mine to do as I see fit.

Actually redbait by letting off steam on the Betfair forum is almost therapeutic.