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Just over 7.5/1 , he called Conor Clifford today a player who has struggled to nail down a starting place on the U21 side and was dreadful in their last home match v Turkey. I don't ever recall going into a home international with less optimism.
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will bird o donnell be making the short trip from ballymun to the aviva 2nite that is the question?
Richters you obviously haven't heard the dreadful news,Rocketfingers is leaving the forum this weekend.He threatened this before but we managed to get him back but this time he is not for changing,we will just have to get used to it.
It will be a miracle to get a point out of this game never mind 3 points. I hope they leave the lady gaga end in the state it was in for the rugby last friday night, it might hinder the Germans and suit our lads better.
You are one cool dude Gant007,the forum is crushed by the imminent departure and you can post dispassionately about soccer,GANT the iceman.
He has stated it on a few threads,sadly he is not for changing,no words of ours will do any good.
I was hoping Never Give Up would come to our aid but he selfishly is standing idly by but then he will be getting personal messages so isint as badly affected.
I was hoping Never Give Up would come to our aid but he selfishly is standing idly by but then he will be getting personal messages so isint as badly affected.
Wildman........Rocketfingers and his crew care very little for the International team and would refer to the supporters as barstool scum and the ole ole brigade.
Heartless GANT ,we know all about his hatred of the GAA,we know all about his dreaming of being part of a soccer elite but the fact is he is leaving so now is the time to show respect and just sadly bid our farewells.
Oct 10, 2012 -- 12:22PM, wildmanfromborneo wrote:
He has stated it on a few threads,sadly he is not for changing,no words of ours will do any good.I was hoping Never Give Up would come to our aid but he selfishly is standing idly by but then he will be getting personal messages so isint as badly affected.
wildbore/dark rosaleen,u have been asked to stop stalking me and mentioning my name daily so 4 the good of ur health please stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm-UzSz5UmY
You would think on this black day you would put past differences to one side,the forum is in crisis and you seem totally ambivalent.
Wildmanfromborneo you once again have misquoted me. I said i will leave the forum if Sligo Rovers become champions. I would be going to this only i have a family issue in Belfast so can't go, will only be coming back to Sligo on the Saturday morning.
I've never said i was leaving for sure Rovers have to win the league Wildman.
dear oh dear the old im leaving the forum as and from this weekend threat........why wait for the weekend imo.......waiting for the usual apologists to start begging him to stay......lol......cant wait for the tribute fred wmfb.......
We are all Sligo Rovers supporters now,come on the bit of red.
Once again people are ignoring what i really said. I want no tribute thread and i certainly don't want made up contributions that i never said. I will then leave the forum undefeated, King.
Oct 10, 2012 -- 12:40PM, wildmanfromborneo wrote:
You would think on this black day you would put past differences to one side,the forum is in crisis and you seem totally ambivalent.
poor tootsie just cant live a day without me,how sad is ur life ?
once again a thread about an interesting sporting event descends into forumite bollox.....
walofs.
walofs.
Roger i think Ireland might perform better with this 3 man midfield if he goes with that.
Gave this forum a miss for the past few years due to this sort of rubbish - came back for a look and sad to see it is still full of the same childish behaviour. Shame - used to be a useful forum for debating sport and betting opportunities.
FWIW, Ireland at 9.0 have to be worth a look on Friday night if the crowd decide to back the team and do not see it as an opportunity to begin the end for Trap.
FWIW, Ireland at 9.0 have to be worth a look on Friday night if the crowd decide to back the team and do not see it as an opportunity to begin the end for Trap.
WE greatly honoured for your 6th replies over the last 11years kerrybhoy ..and we look forward to your next reply in 2019.
if you are prepared to leave your patriotism aside, laying ireland at 9/1 looks the safest 11% on your money you are going to get anywhere.
we have the poorest back 4 representing us at international level in years, ward one of the biggest turkeys i have ever seen representing ireland, right up there alongside gary breen and paul mcshane...speaking of whom, he could be a starter.
in the cold light of day this is as big a mismatch as chelsea against the danes last week, home venue and past reputation and the odd few mugs backing roi, is the only reason we are not 14/1 or bigger.
i said it a few months ago on another thread, with trap at the helm with tactics that are of another era, and no premiership stars, we are a grade 3 outfit at best. i am happy to believe that we are inferior to sweden and austria, and i believe and will back with cash the view that we will get less than 6 points from the 4 games with those two rivals.
having watched an under 21 team play putrid stuff at home to turkey recently, i would not be too optimistic for the future.
just lay ireland for a sure profit, the germans to win 3-0,3-1,4-0,4-1,5-0 would all be in play as well.
we have the poorest back 4 representing us at international level in years, ward one of the biggest turkeys i have ever seen representing ireland, right up there alongside gary breen and paul mcshane...speaking of whom, he could be a starter.
in the cold light of day this is as big a mismatch as chelsea against the danes last week, home venue and past reputation and the odd few mugs backing roi, is the only reason we are not 14/1 or bigger.
i said it a few months ago on another thread, with trap at the helm with tactics that are of another era, and no premiership stars, we are a grade 3 outfit at best. i am happy to believe that we are inferior to sweden and austria, and i believe and will back with cash the view that we will get less than 6 points from the 4 games with those two rivals.
having watched an under 21 team play putrid stuff at home to turkey recently, i would not be too optimistic for the future.
just lay ireland for a sure profit, the germans to win 3-0,3-1,4-0,4-1,5-0 would all be in play as well.
I was in P.P last monday K.L. and for 15mins only PP gave odds of 6/4 for the Germans to lead at h/time and f/time MAX e200 ..like you said i left patriotism aside and wagered e50 ..ihave to say i was sry i did;nt put the max on because i was of the same opinion as yourself. PART of me does not feel good about the bet but Patriotism and Gambling dont mix.
It should be a winner alright kavvie, as Ireland wont score, but I cant believe Germany are 4/9..........imho Germany should be in the region of 4's or 5's on.Maximum bet certs..........
the prob is the mentality the germans will have.they might be happy to take a one goal lead and defend it as many of german teams in the past have done.however the current manager is a progressive type of guy and id say he will want at least 2 goals of a cushion to be comfortable.
Germany are big value, should be 1/5. This is a woeful back 4
Germen football is very strong at the min.. betfair odds for a 3-0 is around 12.5 and 2-0 will be 7.8 i hope im wrong but i will be surprised if ireland score let alone win.
The feel-good factor has faded for Germany and even a win in Dublin won’t restore it, writes RAPHAEL HONIGSTEIN
GERMANY LAST dropped points in a tournament qualifier over three years ago (1-1 v Finland, October 2009). They’re ranked second in the world behind Spain, have enough depth in the squad to compensate for a wave of injuries and welcome back key midfielder Bastian Schweinsteiger (Bayern Munich), who’ll wear the armband for the suspended Philipp Lahm at the Aviva Stadium.
However, Schweinsteiger’s optimistic “sense of anticipation” before the trip to Dublin isn’t shared by many. The immediate past, the Euro 2012 semi-final defeat by Italy in Warsaw, still hurts so much the task at hand is struggling to take centre stage.
The Republic of Ireland will meet a Nationalmannschaft stuck in an introspective, brooding mood. A debate about the exact reasons behind Joachim Löw’s most incisive result has raged non-stop for almost four months, and as a consequence, the feel-good factor that has been a mark of the side since the World Cup in South Africa has all but disappeared.
“There is friction [in the camp],” admitted general manager Oliver Bierhoff at yesterday’s terse press conference in Frankfurt.
Bierhoff was at pains to insist the discord in the ranks was simply a natural by-product of increased competition and as such not negative per se.
“We have a strong Bayern bloc, a strong Dortmund bloc, two confident players from Real Madrid (Sami Khedira, Mesut Özil) and the two Londoners (Per Mertesacker, Lukas Podolski),” said the 44-year-old.
“We’ve rarely had a situation where so many players felt they should start. We are happy and grateful this is the case. Of course, there will be some who’ll be unhappy about not getting in but the team spirit has been totally sound and I’m sure it will continue to be so.”
Not everyone would agree. Schweinsteiger, for starters, pointedly remarked that “the whole bench didn’t jump up [to celebrate a goal] at the Euros”, in an interview with Süddeutsche Zeitung 10 days ago. Bierhoff and Löw since spoke to him but he was unapologetic yesterday.
“That’s how I saw it, and that’s my opinion,” he said. A lack of harmony had also been evident in the aftermath of a nervy 2-1 away win against Austria a month ago. Dortmund centre back Mats Hummels publicly criticised Lahm’s positioning in the run-up to the hosts’ goal and a few days before, Khedira had disagreed with the Bayern full back about the team’s targets for the World Cup.
“We want to win it,” Lahm had said, but the Madrid midfielder, in contrast, said “talking about the World Cup final was all wrong”.
On the pitch, it’ll be fascinating to see whether Schweinsteiger and Khedira can regain their understanding in front of a weakened back four. Schweinsteiger played through the pain barrier last season and arrived physically as well as mentally shattered in Poland after his traumatic penalty miss in the Champions League final against Chelsea.
Khedira, his understudy in South Africa, became the more dominant part of the duo during the tournament. When Schweinsteiger was rested for the first three internationals of the new season, Khedira continued to shape Germany’s game with confident box-to-box runs. But the defence lacked protection as a result.
Now the Bayern man is back, Löw is faced with his very own version of the Lampard-Gerrard conundrum: can both curb their attacking instincts – as well as their egos – to bring cohesion back to the German centre?
Löw’s team were certainly far too open in the 3-1 defeat by Argentina in August and in Austria. Even the Faroes were allowed a few decent chances before Germany secured a comfortable 3-0 win. Schweinsteiger obviously feels a return to more togetherness is needed for Germany to reach Spain’s level and finally win a title. “We need to flip the switch,” he demanded.
The perils of increased competition aside, Löw’s standing has also suffered. His mistakes of sticking with the patently unfit Schweinsteiger and over-accommodating the Italians with a narrow midfield that stifled Germany’s game were major contributing factors to the Euro exit.
Stuttgarter Zeitung noticed the coach had lost his aura of “infallibility”, while Tagesspiegel diagnosed a strange “mix of over-confidence and cowardice”.
The 52-year-old has refused to admit any personal shortcomings – “we will continue on our path,” he said in an angry state of the football nation type address in August – but there’s no doubt the honeymoon period he has enjoyed since taking over from Jürgen Klinsmann in 2006 has come to an abrupt end.
Bild’s attack on him was especially harsh: under the headline “the wreckoning”, Germany’s biggest broadsheet slammed him for creating an environment of too much cosiness in the camp, for abolishing a strict hierarchy in the team and for tolerating that players from an immigrant background like Khedira and Özil were not singing the national anthem.
Bayern president Uli Hoeness has unhelpfully picked up on some of these populist complaints, too.
“There has to be more pressure on the players from Löw,” demanded the 60-year-old in an interview with Der Spiegel. “There has to be an end to the flat hierarchies,” he added, before bemoaning the fact Löw and his staff seemed more concerned about flying out the right kind of “table tennis table” to the team hotel than footballing matters.
“I don’t care anymore about other people talking about these things,” Löw replied coolly in Frankfurt. “As long as the players focus on the job at hand with the same intensity as they have done before, we will continue to do things in the same manner.”
Bierhoff was more measured in his response. “Uli Hoeness means well but we shouldn’t judge each other’s work in public,” said the former AC Milan striker.
He was less understanding of Hoeness’s attack on Miroslav Klose. The Lazio striker is only four strikes short of Gerd Müller’s national record of 68 goals but the Bayern boss thinks his achievements need to be put into perspective. “Müller scored against England, France and Italy,” said Hoeness, “whereas Klose scored at least 80 per cent of his goals against Liechtenstein [and other minnows]”.
“I’m disappointed about these comments,” replied Bierhoff. “Klose has been of great service to this team. We should all pull together instead of fostering unnecessary disquiet.”
Löw must hope the 34-year-old will find Hoeness’s barbed remarks motivational as there’s no other recognised striker in the squad. Bayern’s Mario Gomez has missed the entire season with an ankle injury.
The Bundestrainer has plenty of options in attacking midfield, with Thomas Müller, Toni Kroos (both Bayern), Mario Götze, Marco Reus (both Dortmund), Özil and Podolski vying for three places. But there’s concern about the lack of a suitable replacement for Lahm.
Lars Bender (Leverkusen), who played so well as a makeshift right back against Greece, is injured, so the less mobile Jérôme Boateng (Bayern) will probably come in, while Dortmund’s Marcel Schmelzer will get another chance to prove his international credentials on the left. Mertesacker is expected to replace the injured Hummels (bruised foot) in the heart of the defence.
Recalling the hard-fought 1-0 win in Stuttgart from 2006 and 0-0 draw in Dublin from 2007, Bierhoff warned about “a hot atmosphere” and “an important” test for his side against the Irish. Löw, too, knows that more than three points are at stake.
GERMANY LAST dropped points in a tournament qualifier over three years ago (1-1 v Finland, October 2009). They’re ranked second in the world behind Spain, have enough depth in the squad to compensate for a wave of injuries and welcome back key midfielder Bastian Schweinsteiger (Bayern Munich), who’ll wear the armband for the suspended Philipp Lahm at the Aviva Stadium.
However, Schweinsteiger’s optimistic “sense of anticipation” before the trip to Dublin isn’t shared by many. The immediate past, the Euro 2012 semi-final defeat by Italy in Warsaw, still hurts so much the task at hand is struggling to take centre stage.
The Republic of Ireland will meet a Nationalmannschaft stuck in an introspective, brooding mood. A debate about the exact reasons behind Joachim Löw’s most incisive result has raged non-stop for almost four months, and as a consequence, the feel-good factor that has been a mark of the side since the World Cup in South Africa has all but disappeared.
“There is friction [in the camp],” admitted general manager Oliver Bierhoff at yesterday’s terse press conference in Frankfurt.
Bierhoff was at pains to insist the discord in the ranks was simply a natural by-product of increased competition and as such not negative per se.
“We have a strong Bayern bloc, a strong Dortmund bloc, two confident players from Real Madrid (Sami Khedira, Mesut Özil) and the two Londoners (Per Mertesacker, Lukas Podolski),” said the 44-year-old.
“We’ve rarely had a situation where so many players felt they should start. We are happy and grateful this is the case. Of course, there will be some who’ll be unhappy about not getting in but the team spirit has been totally sound and I’m sure it will continue to be so.”
Not everyone would agree. Schweinsteiger, for starters, pointedly remarked that “the whole bench didn’t jump up [to celebrate a goal] at the Euros”, in an interview with Süddeutsche Zeitung 10 days ago. Bierhoff and Löw since spoke to him but he was unapologetic yesterday.
“That’s how I saw it, and that’s my opinion,” he said. A lack of harmony had also been evident in the aftermath of a nervy 2-1 away win against Austria a month ago. Dortmund centre back Mats Hummels publicly criticised Lahm’s positioning in the run-up to the hosts’ goal and a few days before, Khedira had disagreed with the Bayern full back about the team’s targets for the World Cup.
“We want to win it,” Lahm had said, but the Madrid midfielder, in contrast, said “talking about the World Cup final was all wrong”.
On the pitch, it’ll be fascinating to see whether Schweinsteiger and Khedira can regain their understanding in front of a weakened back four. Schweinsteiger played through the pain barrier last season and arrived physically as well as mentally shattered in Poland after his traumatic penalty miss in the Champions League final against Chelsea.
Khedira, his understudy in South Africa, became the more dominant part of the duo during the tournament. When Schweinsteiger was rested for the first three internationals of the new season, Khedira continued to shape Germany’s game with confident box-to-box runs. But the defence lacked protection as a result.
Now the Bayern man is back, Löw is faced with his very own version of the Lampard-Gerrard conundrum: can both curb their attacking instincts – as well as their egos – to bring cohesion back to the German centre?
Löw’s team were certainly far too open in the 3-1 defeat by Argentina in August and in Austria. Even the Faroes were allowed a few decent chances before Germany secured a comfortable 3-0 win. Schweinsteiger obviously feels a return to more togetherness is needed for Germany to reach Spain’s level and finally win a title. “We need to flip the switch,” he demanded.
The perils of increased competition aside, Löw’s standing has also suffered. His mistakes of sticking with the patently unfit Schweinsteiger and over-accommodating the Italians with a narrow midfield that stifled Germany’s game were major contributing factors to the Euro exit.
Stuttgarter Zeitung noticed the coach had lost his aura of “infallibility”, while Tagesspiegel diagnosed a strange “mix of over-confidence and cowardice”.
The 52-year-old has refused to admit any personal shortcomings – “we will continue on our path,” he said in an angry state of the football nation type address in August – but there’s no doubt the honeymoon period he has enjoyed since taking over from Jürgen Klinsmann in 2006 has come to an abrupt end.
Bild’s attack on him was especially harsh: under the headline “the wreckoning”, Germany’s biggest broadsheet slammed him for creating an environment of too much cosiness in the camp, for abolishing a strict hierarchy in the team and for tolerating that players from an immigrant background like Khedira and Özil were not singing the national anthem.
Bayern president Uli Hoeness has unhelpfully picked up on some of these populist complaints, too.
“There has to be more pressure on the players from Löw,” demanded the 60-year-old in an interview with Der Spiegel. “There has to be an end to the flat hierarchies,” he added, before bemoaning the fact Löw and his staff seemed more concerned about flying out the right kind of “table tennis table” to the team hotel than footballing matters.
“I don’t care anymore about other people talking about these things,” Löw replied coolly in Frankfurt. “As long as the players focus on the job at hand with the same intensity as they have done before, we will continue to do things in the same manner.”
Bierhoff was more measured in his response. “Uli Hoeness means well but we shouldn’t judge each other’s work in public,” said the former AC Milan striker.
He was less understanding of Hoeness’s attack on Miroslav Klose. The Lazio striker is only four strikes short of Gerd Müller’s national record of 68 goals but the Bayern boss thinks his achievements need to be put into perspective. “Müller scored against England, France and Italy,” said Hoeness, “whereas Klose scored at least 80 per cent of his goals against Liechtenstein [and other minnows]”.
“I’m disappointed about these comments,” replied Bierhoff. “Klose has been of great service to this team. We should all pull together instead of fostering unnecessary disquiet.”
Löw must hope the 34-year-old will find Hoeness’s barbed remarks motivational as there’s no other recognised striker in the squad. Bayern’s Mario Gomez has missed the entire season with an ankle injury.
The Bundestrainer has plenty of options in attacking midfield, with Thomas Müller, Toni Kroos (both Bayern), Mario Götze, Marco Reus (both Dortmund), Özil and Podolski vying for three places. But there’s concern about the lack of a suitable replacement for Lahm.
Lars Bender (Leverkusen), who played so well as a makeshift right back against Greece, is injured, so the less mobile Jérôme Boateng (Bayern) will probably come in, while Dortmund’s Marcel Schmelzer will get another chance to prove his international credentials on the left. Mertesacker is expected to replace the injured Hummels (bruised foot) in the heart of the defence.
Recalling the hard-fought 1-0 win in Stuttgart from 2006 and 0-0 draw in Dublin from 2007, Bierhoff warned about “a hot atmosphere” and “an important” test for his side against the Irish. Löw, too, knows that more than three points are at stake.
I think with these injuries the Irish side that plays, could be ok and a bit of value on the handicaps. I expect Ireland to drift to a very backable price at some stage +1.5. They only beat an Austrian who are ranked 14 places below us on the rankings i use 2-1 in their last game. Ok we're probably ranked a little high but still if we're able to hang onto the ball a bit more in midfield, presume were playing 3 in the centre of midfield it will act as a defensive mechanism and protect the defense. Saying that best maybe to see the teams and it maybe best just to totally skip betting on this one. I could well have egg on my face but i think there is zero value betting the Germans imo.
Germany are probably maybe even a bit short now at the general 4/9 imo.Dont think the Germans would regard a draw as a disaster and i think they're slightly over hyped anyway as shown by their display against Italy.
People saying they should be 1/4 or 1/5 must be on drugs.Possibly only Spain would deserve such a price in Dublin and they are a few levels above Germany.
Will be laying the Germans at anything sub 1.44 on here.
People saying they should be 1/4 or 1/5 must be on drugs.Possibly only Spain would deserve such a price in Dublin and they are a few levels above Germany.
Will be laying the Germans at anything sub 1.44 on here.
sub 1.44 you sound like a total pro. well done.
if germany score early (ireland probably wont score) it could be an unfortunate score. moral is shaky, the press want trap and co out and the players know this. top players retired etc, heads could go down easily.
if germany score early (ireland probably wont score) it could be an unfortunate score. moral is shaky, the press want trap and co out and the players know this. top players retired etc, heads could go down easily.
Most gambling decisions decided by such should a low variance is highly debateable.
Oct 10, 2012 -- 1:46PM, Roger De Bris wrote:
once again a thread about an interesting sporting event descends into forumite bollox.....walofs.
agree roger,another thread ruined by the obsessive stalking cross dressing wildbore/dark rosaleen freak
robbie bein injured will be a mojor boost to anyone backing ireland.hes a shadow of the average player he once was.
WE greatly honoured for your 6th replies over the last 11years kerrybhoy ..and we look forward to your next reply in 2019.
Normally login under another username smart0rse - this is an old legacy sterling account. If you are happy that just about every second thread is allowed to decend into farce, that's your call. more important things to be doing with my time.
Normally login under another username smart0rse - this is an old legacy sterling account. If you are happy that just about every second thread is allowed to decend into farce, that's your call. more important things to be doing with my time.
your right there kerry bhoy.pity really it could be a grat place to exchange info and views without all the bickering
Westwood, Coleman, O'Shea, O'Dea, Ward, McCarthy, Andrews, Fahey, McGeady, Walters, Cox
Cox lone striker? Goodness Gracious me.
Good to see Coleman starting.
Its going to be a long night. Germany to win 0-2.
Cox lone striker? Goodness Gracious me.
Good to see Coleman starting.
Its going to be a long night. Germany to win 0-2.
Westwood, Coleman, O'Shea, O'Dea, Ward, McCarthy, Andrews, Fahey, McGeady, Walters, Cox
Cox lone striker? Goodness Gracious me.
Good to see Coleman starting.
Its going to be a long night. Germany to win 0-2.
Cox lone striker? Goodness Gracious me.
Good to see Coleman starting.
Its going to be a long night. Germany to win 0-2.
Cox will play on the right-Walters will be lone striker.
Simon Cox must be Traps love child? I dont know why Trap persists with him? I'll be honest he is plain useless.
Germany's world class attack versus our English division 1 defence. Men V Boys.
Muller or Podolski and Klose. Sweinsteger (excuse my spelling) is back aswell. Darren O'Dea and O'Shea will handle them sure
Germany's world class attack versus our English division 1 defence. Men V Boys.
Muller or Podolski and Klose. Sweinsteger (excuse my spelling) is back aswell. Darren O'Dea and O'Shea will handle them sure
I kinda like Cox for some reason i believe he's an intelligent footballer. People are talking about a weakened Irish team, but is it? Ok i'd rather not have O'Dea in there but other than that i think this is a stronger Irish team. James McLean has been very so-so for Sunderland i'd probably start him, i'd have also started Long, but McCarthy and Fahey are pluses. I think with the way the price is going Ireland are and will end up great value on the handicaps, i don't believe we will perform as badly as we have been with this team. The weakest part of the side is the backline but this midfield might not expose them as much as previous midfields of Ireland did. Ireland +1.25 and +1.5 for me
^^agree most of that. Team strengthened by absence of Keane and Whealan. Not often Ireland get beaten more than 1 at home, so cant be having Germany on the cap. Germany struggled past Austria and beaten by Argies previous start. Lads calling it 1/5 are having a laugh. Its all about value and laying the Germans at 1.44 and a small back of Ireland at 9.5 will do me.
Heard an interesting stat today: Germany, whether as West Germany or since reunification, have never lost an away World Cup qualifier.
he Germans have always been strong qualifiers: in their twelve FIFA World Cup qualifying campaigns to date, they have lost just twice, a 1-0 defeat to Portugal in Stuttgart in October 1995, and a thumping 5-1 defeat to England in Munich in September 2001. The Germans have never lost away from home in FIFA World Cup qualifying.
Personally doubt I'll get involved pre-match. Will watch and may get involved in-play. If Germany were to take an early lead, as said before, it could get nasty. But if Ireland can get some sort of foothold in midfield, then it might not be as easy for Germany as expected.
If I was playing pre-match, I have to say a draw at nearly 4/1 would interest me far far more than nibbling Ireland @8/1. Think te draw is more than twice as likely as a home win.
If I was playing pre-match, I have to say a draw at nearly 4/1 would interest me far far more than nibbling Ireland @8/1. Think te draw is more than twice as likely as a home win.
If your right kiddo a 1-1 draw is 10.5 and a 0-0 draw pays 14/1 on betfair..cant us scoreing more then one goal so any one of the two above results might be your best bet..hope im wrong but i cant see it happening myself.
Just seen irishro's comment now, I presumed Walters would play out wide, he has played consistenly well there for Stoke, that's where I'd have him. And leave Long upfront. Cox should not be in the squad, let alone the starting X1, just my opinion. You would often wonder does Trap & Co. pay any heed to club form at all.
Yes the midfield area has been strengthened considerably with the intro. of McCarthy and Fahey and the absence of Whelan but we still remain vulnerable at the back.
I'm delighted Keane is out, I believe his best days are behind him but when you put a line through him and look at what we're left with upfront, we have nothing better?
Do you think Trap would have started McClean if he was available? He is a marked man now in the Prem. As I read in an article this evening his form has gone from 'incredible to incredulous' at Sunderland.
Yes the midfield area has been strengthened considerably with the intro. of McCarthy and Fahey and the absence of Whelan but we still remain vulnerable at the back.
I'm delighted Keane is out, I believe his best days are behind him but when you put a line through him and look at what we're left with upfront, we have nothing better?
Do you think Trap would have started McClean if he was available? He is a marked man now in the Prem. As I read in an article this evening his form has gone from 'incredible to incredulous' at Sunderland.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves lads, Germany should win this, we're probably value across everything the more adventurous of us might play the bigger odds laying Germany or even betting ourselves but for me the bet is Ireland on the Asian handicap imo. The last time Germany played Ireland they opened up at 4/5 and went off at 11/10 with one firm most seemed to be from evens to 21/20 now they're going to go off circa 2/5, it's some difference for too big a difference. Ireland +1.235 and +1.5 and a very small lay of Germany.
Ireland: Given, Finnan, Kelly, Joey O'Brien, Dunne, Carsley, Reid, Keogh, Kevin Doyle, Keane, Kilbane
Ireland: Given, Finnan, Kelly, Joey O'Brien, Dunne, Carsley, Reid, Keogh, Kevin Doyle, Keane, Kilbane
betting on matches like these is a shortcut to the poorhouse
No matter how bad the irish team look on paper, under Trappatoni they could get a draw.
correct score 3-0, 4-0, 4-1 could be the way to play it if you are on germany rather than 4/9 straight up.
No matter how bad the irish team look on paper, under Trappatoni they could get a draw.
correct score 3-0, 4-0, 4-1 could be the way to play it if you are on germany rather than 4/9 straight up.
Richard dunne held Ireland together by his finger nails in qualification last time. He isnt playing and Ireland are playing against a team that is superior to the Russian team that gave us a complete footballing lesson in both home and away fixtures.
We are fielding a very inexperienced experimental side, and not by design. Whatever about the harmony in the German team, they are all champions league standard players.
Can this team with some players not playing in there regular positions and some players not getting regular football with there club teams really pull it together enough to put up any sort of real resistance to Germany?
I very much doubt it....
Germany 2-0 / 3-0 / 4-0
Maybe a complete hammering will move along Traps exit.
We are fielding a very inexperienced experimental side, and not by design. Whatever about the harmony in the German team, they are all champions league standard players.
Can this team with some players not playing in there regular positions and some players not getting regular football with there club teams really pull it together enough to put up any sort of real resistance to Germany?
I very much doubt it....
Germany 2-0 / 3-0 / 4-0
Maybe a complete hammering will move along Traps exit.
ireland to win 5-0 imo we can fookin do it gwan the ladds
Move for Ireland, were trading at +1.25 at evens now into 1.87 on the same line
Rocketfingers is that just the way different firms price up the football handicap, ie surely +1.25 is the same as +1.5 as both mean Germany have to win by 2 goals.Not into football betting big-time did Germany ht/ft at 5/4,while Ireland have seemed to have improved slightly sine the Euros still a bad team and if the Germans aren,t ahead at halftime i,ll be surprised.
1.25 is Asian Handicap means half your state is on Ireland +1.0 and half your stake is on Ireland +1.5
If Ireland lose by the one goal then the half-stake that is on the +1.0 market is refunded and the half-stake that is on the 1.5 market is a winner.
If Ireland lose by the one goal then the half-stake that is on the +1.0 market is refunded and the half-stake that is on the 1.5 market is a winner.
The equivalent market on Betfair is "Ireland +1.0&+1.5" in the Asian Handicap Section
aah,thanks very much db,i hadn,t a clue,got that all wrong.
Hey Pa, no mate they're different bets. Ok -1.25 means if you're a German backer they need to win by 2 for you to collect in full but if they only win by 1 you only lose half your stake. While with -1.5 if you're a German backed you need to win by 2 goals anything less you lose your full stake. The opposite is true if you an Irish backer tonight. Ireland lose by a goal on the +1.25 line you win only half your bet a draw or a win and you win the full bet. While with the +1.5 if you bet Ireland a 1 goal loss will mean you win your full bet as you need to lose by 2 or more to lose.
The .25 and the .75 lines in Asia basically mean you get your stakes divided between 2 lines as there is no such thing as a quarter of a goal i.e. -1.25 is really written like so (-1, -1.25) -1.75 is written (-1.5, -2) and getting the average odds between the 2 lines. I thought the same as you when i seen it for the first time Pa as well so i know where you're coming from :)
The .25 and the .75 lines in Asia basically mean you get your stakes divided between 2 lines as there is no such thing as a quarter of a goal i.e. -1.25 is really written like so (-1, -1.25) -1.75 is written (-1.5, -2) and getting the average odds between the 2 lines. I thought the same as you when i seen it for the first time Pa as well so i know where you're coming from :)
Ah i see db explained it a lot quicker than i did 
Anyway GL with any bets lads except if you're betting Germany
Anyway GL with any bets lads except if you're betting Germany
Thanks RF,i,m going to leave that one alone,enjoy the match.
If you want a laugh read Kerrybhoys contributions to this thread.He starts by complaining about the way the forum has declined and with the usual condescending air states has more to be doing himself now when it was pointed out this was only his sixth reply in 11years he flew into a rage called the poster an A. Hole and admitted he was a multiple account holder.
hes not on his own as a multiple account user wmfb......maybe its bird o donnells 4th alter ego.....
Wildman you can laugh off Kerrybhoys comment but he is correct, this forum has decended into farce the last year or so (maybe a bit longer).
As for tonights match i'm contemplating taking Germany on, have not decided what to do yet but will either lay them, back the draw or take Ireland on the handicaps. I wouldn't be surprised if the match turns out a lot closer than people think and if Ireland can keep it tight early and get a foothold in the game i don't see them getting thrashed.
As for tonights match i'm contemplating taking Germany on, have not decided what to do yet but will either lay them, back the draw or take Ireland on the handicaps. I wouldn't be surprised if the match turns out a lot closer than people think and if Ireland can keep it tight early and get a foothold in the game i don't see them getting thrashed.
Wildman is a thorn in the side of this forum, he knows nothing about football but yet him and richters are on here destroying this thread.
Premier you may be correct I am just laughing at him complaining about bickering and then when someone said something he didn't like he descended into insults whilst revealing himself to be a multiple account holder.
That descent into farce will soon become a free fall with the sad demise of Rocketfingers .
That descent into farce will soon become a free fall with the sad demise of Rocketfingers .
To be fair wildmanfromborneo Kerrybhoy din;nt refer to me as an A/ hole i belive the term he used was Smart/a which i prefair..but not by much.. i think if you look at forums 5 or more years ago you will find many of the forums has decended into farce..it just the way some forums go when people get carried away. by in large the replies are v/good.
I disagree with what you say but I will defend to death your right to say it" ...Evelyn Beatrice Hall, (1868
I disagree with what you say but I will defend to death your right to say it" ...Evelyn Beatrice Hall, (1868
Great price lads easy 40% return on investment, this was priced incredible generous
Oct 10, 2012 -- 10:32PM, never give up wrote:
germany to win both halves @ 5/2
that was easy
Well done never give up. Powers went 3/1 this evening @7pm, on one of those "While Stocks Last" specials
Feel such a clown.
I picked 32 as the Mega Minute and forgot to put a bet on the match.
Was trading the England match instead.
I picked 32 as the Mega Minute and forgot to put a bet on the match.
Was trading the England match instead.
Well done Germany backers.Really didnt expect such a pathetic Irish performance.
never mind punkha, at least you now accept those of us who called it as it transpired we not "on drugs" suggesting 1/4 or 1/5 was nearer the mark about germany.
that roi team is heading along parallel lines to the outfit playing in east belfast, fading former talented players mixed with newcomers who at best are bread and butter domestiques=recipe for plummeting down the world rankings.
that roi team is heading along parallel lines to the outfit playing in east belfast, fading former talented players mixed with newcomers who at best are bread and butter domestiques=recipe for plummeting down the world rankings.
Well we all get it wrong in gambling Keen Leader.I recall you saying that the Spain v Italy Euro final should have been a pick em match.Thats the game its all about opinions.
Shocking but we're on course as KL says to be like the crew up the road alright.
KL you going tomorrow?
KL you going tomorrow?
that roi team is heading along parallel lines to the outfit playing in east belfast,
EAST Belfast??
EAST Belfast??
not tomorrow rf, otherwise engaged, settle for draw.
Ya i would too, although would be great if we won :)
Its a sad state of affairs. sorry punkha1 i did not mean to make it personal. the unquoted scoreline at 5's was a gift.
No worries irish guy.Talking to people seems like half the country backed Germany so at least we've finally got a few quid outta them.
Not a fan of calling for managers to be sacked but at this stage think we need a fresh start.
Not a fan of calling for managers to be sacked but at this stage think we need a fresh start.
Wildman, sorry about the delay in replying but I have you blocked on my other account and didnt see your comments until now - didnt realise it was an offence to have multiple accounts - some folks might actually have multiple accounts for currency reasons rather than playing games on the forum with their usernames - each to their own.
I thought by blocking the accounts of the main drivel offenders on here, I might get some value from the forum, but doesnt really work.
I thought by blocking the accounts of the main drivel offenders on here, I might get some value from the forum, but doesnt really work.
FrankAlsoRan
To be fair wildmanfromborneo Kerrybhoy din;nt refer to me as an A/ hole i belive the term he used was Smart/a which i prefair..but not by much.. i think if you look at forums 5 or more years ago you will find many of the forums has decended into farce
Frank,
your original reply was witty and I didnt intend any insult. Disagree that all fora have decended into farce - the rugby and golf forums are by and large still all about the sport and betting. You could count the guilty parties on here on one hand but they have reduced the forum to the point where it is not worthwhile trying to decipher the decent bits.
To be fair wildmanfromborneo Kerrybhoy din;nt refer to me as an A/ hole i belive the term he used was Smart/a which i prefair..but not by much.. i think if you look at forums 5 or more years ago you will find many of the forums has decended into farce
Frank,
your original reply was witty and I didnt intend any insult. Disagree that all fora have decended into farce - the rugby and golf forums are by and large still all about the sport and betting. You could count the guilty parties on here on one hand but they have reduced the forum to the point where it is not worthwhile trying to decipher the decent bits.
I too have two accounts, one for Sterling, one for Euro. I'm sure many do.
Euro: Ozymandius GBP: itcanbedone
Euro: Ozymandius GBP: itcanbedone
probably a simple answer im missing but why do you need 2 accounts?
I have an old GBP account from 2001 when I lived in the UK. Wanted a Euro account as well so opened a second account.
Interestingly, I believe that accounts associated with an individual are linked for premium charge pruposes, but not for commission rate determination. I stick to the one account myself so not an expert.
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