Jonjo ONeill a poor trainer

For once i totally agree with you Wildman, this will not be a John Oxx type thread i will be amazed if a lot of people do not agree with you on this.

one of the worst there has been imo...he should have a lot more winners than he does..i never back his horses although i have no doubt he stops them....but he is a private trainer in all but name...

i know responding to a thread like this is foolhardy.

over the years i have employed 8 different uk trainers for horses i owned or was involved with. jonjo trained for me when he was up in ivygill, fees there were 100 a week when the punt was stronger than sterling, so it was cheaper to get them trained in the uk at that time especially if you could claim back the vat.

pound for pound out of the 8 trainers, many of whom have good strike rates and are regarded as shrewd, jonjo was simply the best. he may not be able to keep a horse running consistently over the course of a season, he does know from instinct when those run of the mill handicappers are coming into form and the trick is then placing them in the right race. he likes a bet and short ones were never his cup of tea. since going to jackdaws he has a different type of set up as he is a tenant unlike up in cumbria where as he used to tell me he joint owned the place with the aib in birmingham.. over the course of a winter jj would strongly fancy 5 or 6 in what on paper would be deemed tricky contests, they would not all win, some would and you would be certain of a level stakes profit. other trainers in the same scheme of things would put you in the poorhouse.
i know the yard is impossible to follow for form students, from my experience as a past owner, he can most certainly train. i would guess none of the other contributers on this thread have had a nag with jj, and are looking at the ops question through a different prism.

Or would the right words be he stops them more often than he lets them try Keen Leader?

Oh and Get me out of here was campaigned like a selling plater until the money was down?

Yes and when D Day arrived he was beaten a snot by Final Approach. Your point being Silver??  Should they have flogged him to death first run of the season and finish him for the rest of the year??  All good horses are primed for targets. Any trainer worth his salt will admit this. Every good horse will be trained to progress throughout the season. Obviously the really good NH horses cannot be revved up for 9 or 10 targets year in year out. They would be burnt out after a couple of seasons if this was the case and no good to anyone.

I have to say i totally agree with Wildmanfromborneo on this, which as everyone knows is rare but he has not delivered as one would have expected since his move to jackdaws.

KARMA, Rocket

I have great respect for Keen Leader and acknowledge the worth of his post in the reply Rocketfingers highlighted, however you can disagree with someone without rancour also our positions are not miles apart,i am talking about the present he is mainly talking about his days in Cumbria.

You compound too easily.
You are blinded by the fact he owns horses,when you owned horses who were your trainers?

I never owned one couldn`t afford to.
How come you are afraid to name your trainers.

Pegasus was one of them I believe!

Not afraid to just don't want to, my business. None of them were much good to be brutally honest, last one was a disaster and the one in the Curragh never got to the track even, it's put me off ownership although i would think about it again maybe in a a couple of years. I do still enjoy racing but i rarely beton it these days, i bet football and i do that pretty badly at the moment if i am being truthful, again.