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We await the usual raft of excuses but I saw enough to say he is a donkey.
Bad an all as the 3yo are I will never know how Cameot won the Guineas. He is no good imo
Bad an all as the 3yo are I will never know how Cameot won the Guineas. He is no good imo
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Feel very sorry he couldn,t do it,got the trip well just couln,t get a run when he needed/wanted.
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if the jockey was allowed use his claim......hed hav won......
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Nothing he had beaten all season franked the form,don't think he should have ran in the ground at the Curragh but had 3 months off since.Hype machine beaten and won't be seen on racecourse again.
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He was incredibly lucky to even get to this point.
Won the worst Guineas ever. Delighted he lost. |
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Why are you delighted he lost GS?
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sad to see those kind of posts lads ....surely for the good of racing it was important he ran in it ....cant ever see it happening again... sad day for racing ...
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Tired of listening to the hype machine pa.
He's a good animal but no more and I don't do sentimentality with horses anymore. |
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Irish trainer and horses going for a clean sweep of the classics was the way i looked at it GS,also long time since a treble crown.
Accept maybe Camelot didn,t deserve the same accolade as Nijinsky still gutted he was beat |
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And no comment yet of the head in the air. TBH the horse was right behind the winner when the winner went and it was lack of pace/attitude that beat him and perhaps as APOB lack of an end to end gallop.
Would love to see him out again so we could oppose him. My own view is that with this horse in particular they will retire him knowing that the reputation can be somewhat salavaged |
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In years to come nobody would remember what a truly terrible bunch of horses he was lucky to have been campaigned against and a victory would have undeservedly have placed him up there with some of the legends of the turf.
For that reason alone, the result is satisfying. |
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Couldn't have put it better myself Bassanio, ditto!
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ah now hang on GS, Frankels guineas was worse
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A thread full of bitter begrudgers, IMO. Sad.
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I don't believe the majority of the posts on this thread are inaccurate.As Ted Walsh said " Camelot is a good horse not a great horse" amongst a crop of very poor 3yos. |
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Of course he's a good horse but the hype machine was in overdrive to the point of tedium, he's far from the best he's ever trained, moves like a dressage horse ffs?, who knows next year and we might have another "Greatest horse I've ever trained?
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moves like a dressage horse!
..very good..my own opinion is i thought he would not stay and to my surprise he did but still came up short..i think its a little harsh to say he beat ****...but i do think the horse was over hyped but is that coolmores fault? |
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Most of the hype this week was coming from ATR . Thats the trouble with dedicated channels , they have to fill the screens with repeat stuff and eventually the third or fourth time it gets under your skin .
Camelot is a very good horse , but the Irish Derby may have left its mark . Surprised they ran him in it given the atrocious ground that was in it . Plus I wondered why they did not populate the race a bit more today with "pacemakers" , sometimes it helps to have "friends " around in the run . Interesting to see if they persevere with Camelot , unfortunatley the public remember the last race rather than the previous ones . If the winner had not got a dream run and had an inferior jockey Camelot might well have prevailed , he was well clear of the third . |
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ilikewavingatbuses 15 Sep 12 17:30
ah now hang on GS, Frankels guineas was worse  In fairness, it has transpired Frankel beat trees that day but then there was his manner of victory.Camelot did very well to win the Guineas but I'm just calling it what it was. No argument. I would like to see him stay in training because he has a touch of class and can win good races. I followed the stable religously for years but the endless sh#te spoken by the trainer has done for me. Muppets calling me a begrudger! But I wasn't one a decade ago when I wanted GC, Galileo, ROG, HW, HC to keep on winning!? Get over yourself. Things change. Well. Apart from the hype!  |
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Tony, "moves like a dressage horse" weren't my words but words used by O'Brien himself to describe Camelot when been interviewed by ch4, hyping the horse up to stratospheric proportions.
Kelly it wasn't just ATR but CH4 also going way OTT with the hype, at the end of Alaister Downs eulogy he finishes off with "a generation holds its breath" I kid you not!. |
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why is aiden now saying he should have run a pacemaker as beforehand there was a question mark over the horse getting the trip. the race was run perfectly well for camelot.joseph had him in an ok position when winner made his move. he(joseph)then chose to sit tight for a few seconds in which m.barcelona opened up a three length lead which was down to one at line.he waS FAR TOO COCKY. it was always going to be much more difficult for camelot to quicken after travelling 13 furlongs rather than after 7 or 11 of guineas or derby. this talk of pacemakers is just spin to take the heat off the youngster. and lets not forget thats exactly what he is a youngster. he is a super talent and hopefully this doesnt set him back too far. too much pressure on a lad of his years. something like this was always going to happen pity it happened on a stage like this.
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I have looked at the race numerous times and it looked very clear to me that the horse carried his head high and hung fire when asked to quicken.In apportioning blame to the jockey I feel it very important to take into account the way everyone thought the race would pan out.It was very difficult to envisage a scenario whereby the horse would finish a staying on second.Prior to the race it was far more likely in most peoples opinion that getting there too soon was the thing to avoid.
While he would ride the race differently if it were run again tomorrow I don't think it was that bad a ride. As for his trainer regretting not running a pacemaker it should be remembered that the winner pulled quite hard in the early stages of the race and would have benefitted at least as much from a stronger early gallop. |
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Channel 4 too then , Silver . Only consolation about the defeat is that we wont have to listen to the "breeding eulogy " which could have been anticipated .
Like Oufies I hope it stays in training , if both Camelot and Frankel disappear off to stud we might be looking for a new approach to stardom next year , a new dawn . Maybe . |
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dawn ap is going to godolphin. there is absolutely zero chance of this horse having a successful 3 yr old season now.
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Jim Bolger said yesterday, after the race, that it hadn't been decided yet, where Dawn approach would be in training next year and that Sheikh Mo would decide at the end of the year.
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My view has always been APOB has known all along that the 3yos this year are no good. He has the one decent middle distance horse and Coolmore have not had a goodun for a few years now.
He campaigned him majestically guiding towards the triple crown as opposed to being shown up by the older horses.Turned up to Doncaster to play his final hand i.e. win the triple crown on the bridle cueing "the greatest of all time, Frankel who etc" then off to stud only to fail at the last minute because the pace was wrong. He was 1 pacemaker away from immortality. It could have been the greatest stroke of all time for Coolmore |