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The show of strength by the Real IRA at the funeral of Alan Ryan has been condemned as “reprehensible” by Minister for Justice Alan Shatter.
A volley of shots were fired as the 32-year-old’s remains left his family home in north Dublin yesterday morning.
His coffin was draped in the tricolour and escorted to church by hundreds of supporters and associates dressed in republicanuniform, including a colour party with their faces covered.
Mr Shatter said some events surrounding the funeral were “reprehensible and absolutely unacceptable”.
“Paramilitary trappings should not blind people to the fact that what is at issue is criminal terrorism carried on by people who, for their own reasons, want to drag the people of this island back to a dark past,” he said.
“In treating the will of the people, north and south, with contempt, they dishonour democracy.
“I recognise fully the immediate difficulties which face An Garda Síochána when people take advantage of a funeral to behave in this fashion.
“But the Garda Commissioner has assured me that they are pursuing rigorously any breaches of the law which took place.
“The gardaí, together with their colleagues in the north, will continue to take every action open to them to deal with the activities of members of these groups, whether they are engaging in terrorism or organised crime.”
Ryan was gunned down near his family home in the Grange Lodge estate in Clongriffin last Monday.
A suspect in his 40s was arrested on Thursday and can be questioned for 72 hours.
There was a strong Garda presence around the Church of the Holy Trinity in Donaghmede as family and friends mourned the father-of-one.
The atmosphere tensed at his burial in Balgriffin cemetery, with armed gardai and the riot squad on stand-by, but the service passed peacefully.
Well-known republican Colin Duffy, who was acquitted of murdering two soldiers at Massereene Barracks in Antrim, gave the graveside oration.
Slogans in memory of Ryan have been painted on walls near his home while black flags were hung on lampposts.
Sinn Féin councillor Micheal Mac Donncha said the murder was shocking but warned dissidents do not have the support of the local community.
“As a public representative, I have to reflect the views of the local community, and it has to be said that there is great resentment at attempts to portray the so-called ‘Real IRA’ as being supported by this community,” said Mr Mac Donncha.
“Wall slogans and black flags cannot hide the fact that this violent faction is rejected by the community in Donaghmede and that they represent no-one but themselves.
“Genuine Irish republicans throughout the country totally reject the activities of this group and other such factions who abuse the good name of Irish republicanism to further their own ends.”
Ryan was due to go on trial for an alleged extortion racket and threatening a city-centre publican and making him cease trading within 24 hours when he was killed.
He was previously jailed for taking part in a RIRA weapons training camp in Meath in 2001 and served time for possession of a firearm in a separate incident.
The Dubliner was one of the leaders of the terror group in the capital and been trying to extort money from drugs gangs, as well as legitimate businesses across the capital.
However, the 32 County Sovereignty Movement (CSM), which is seen as the political wing of the RIRA, maintained their friend, comrade and activist worked tirelessly to tackle the scourge of drugs.
A volley of shots were fired as the 32-year-old’s remains left his family home in north Dublin yesterday morning.
His coffin was draped in the tricolour and escorted to church by hundreds of supporters and associates dressed in republicanuniform, including a colour party with their faces covered.
Mr Shatter said some events surrounding the funeral were “reprehensible and absolutely unacceptable”.
“Paramilitary trappings should not blind people to the fact that what is at issue is criminal terrorism carried on by people who, for their own reasons, want to drag the people of this island back to a dark past,” he said.
“In treating the will of the people, north and south, with contempt, they dishonour democracy.
“I recognise fully the immediate difficulties which face An Garda Síochána when people take advantage of a funeral to behave in this fashion.
“But the Garda Commissioner has assured me that they are pursuing rigorously any breaches of the law which took place.
“The gardaí, together with their colleagues in the north, will continue to take every action open to them to deal with the activities of members of these groups, whether they are engaging in terrorism or organised crime.”
Ryan was gunned down near his family home in the Grange Lodge estate in Clongriffin last Monday.
A suspect in his 40s was arrested on Thursday and can be questioned for 72 hours.
There was a strong Garda presence around the Church of the Holy Trinity in Donaghmede as family and friends mourned the father-of-one.
The atmosphere tensed at his burial in Balgriffin cemetery, with armed gardai and the riot squad on stand-by, but the service passed peacefully.
Well-known republican Colin Duffy, who was acquitted of murdering two soldiers at Massereene Barracks in Antrim, gave the graveside oration.
Slogans in memory of Ryan have been painted on walls near his home while black flags were hung on lampposts.
Sinn Féin councillor Micheal Mac Donncha said the murder was shocking but warned dissidents do not have the support of the local community.
“As a public representative, I have to reflect the views of the local community, and it has to be said that there is great resentment at attempts to portray the so-called ‘Real IRA’ as being supported by this community,” said Mr Mac Donncha.
“Wall slogans and black flags cannot hide the fact that this violent faction is rejected by the community in Donaghmede and that they represent no-one but themselves.
“Genuine Irish republicans throughout the country totally reject the activities of this group and other such factions who abuse the good name of Irish republicanism to further their own ends.”
Ryan was due to go on trial for an alleged extortion racket and threatening a city-centre publican and making him cease trading within 24 hours when he was killed.
He was previously jailed for taking part in a RIRA weapons training camp in Meath in 2001 and served time for possession of a firearm in a separate incident.
The Dubliner was one of the leaders of the terror group in the capital and been trying to extort money from drugs gangs, as well as legitimate businesses across the capital.
However, the 32 County Sovereignty Movement (CSM), which is seen as the political wing of the RIRA, maintained their friend, comrade and activist worked tirelessly to tackle the scourge of drugs.
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Education is absent in many of these poorer parts of Dublin and elsewhere... Why is there such a lack of education in these areas is primarily down to relative poverty, a sense of capitalist/materialistic greed driven into every child by the system that will ultimately and routinely stereotype them all... an example to the rest of the Irish peasants to avoid, better off working long hours for low pay with large taxes. They simply don't stand much of a chance in getting out of the social trap they are born into, the odd exception can be highlighted for all to aspire to but in reality it is a hopeless game.
A game made more frustrating by the hypocrisy coming from those in power, the biggest gangsters of all have no right to judge and further tarnish peoples names and areas they live, millions of tax payers money gambled away leaving many to suffer in growing poverty and all the hellish trappings that go along with that. All ruled with corrupt power and their henchmen with an arsenal of weapons any gangsters would relish. What happens when peoples lives are ruined and powerful figures in communities use ignorant philosophies of revolution to attract those with little to live for... a lot of splinter groups giving legitimate revolutionaries bad names. The biggest gangsters and murderers aka ' the government' need them to continue to fuel their bulss1t PR for their lying cheating scuum buckets they call ministers. The stupid and scared public buy it all as they stare at their TV screen between long hours of work and drowning their sorrows, if that is they and their loved ones are lucky enough not to fall victim to crossfire or by brutality of screwed up laws on drugs that continue to ruin otherwise good peoples lives because they are illegal.
Let us be clear ' The Gardai track all these gangsters gangs , taking our and ruining lives of the little players before eventually taking out the big bosses and pocketing all the proceeds and assets for the government purse and their fat wages for doing absolutely nothing right. The Real IRA and the Gardai profit by the same means while the rest of you fools down there suffer as a result.
A game made more frustrating by the hypocrisy coming from those in power, the biggest gangsters of all have no right to judge and further tarnish peoples names and areas they live, millions of tax payers money gambled away leaving many to suffer in growing poverty and all the hellish trappings that go along with that. All ruled with corrupt power and their henchmen with an arsenal of weapons any gangsters would relish. What happens when peoples lives are ruined and powerful figures in communities use ignorant philosophies of revolution to attract those with little to live for... a lot of splinter groups giving legitimate revolutionaries bad names. The biggest gangsters and murderers aka ' the government' need them to continue to fuel their bulss1t PR for their lying cheating scuum buckets they call ministers. The stupid and scared public buy it all as they stare at their TV screen between long hours of work and drowning their sorrows, if that is they and their loved ones are lucky enough not to fall victim to crossfire or by brutality of screwed up laws on drugs that continue to ruin otherwise good peoples lives because they are illegal.
Let us be clear ' The Gardai track all these gangsters gangs , taking our and ruining lives of the little players before eventually taking out the big bosses and pocketing all the proceeds and assets for the government purse and their fat wages for doing absolutely nothing right. The Real IRA and the Gardai profit by the same means while the rest of you fools down there suffer as a result.
From hardly being able to string two coherent words together you really seem to be coming into your own newco.
Anyway Oz we will take it your intention was to put the post up at the final whistle of the all-Ireland,says quite a lot about you in my opinion.
What on earth has the All Ireland got to do with it? I would barely know who was it in let alone what time it started or finished.
From what I can make out the Justice Minister made the comments and the report above appeared in the Irish Times breaking news at 16.00. You can take up the timing issue with him.
You choose to condemn a) the post b) its timing and yet make no comment on the fact that criminal scum are wearing balaclavas and firing guns on the streets of our Capital whilst the Gardai look on and take no action. Perhaps you should be asking what that says about you?
From what I can make out the Justice Minister made the comments and the report above appeared in the Irish Times breaking news at 16.00. You can take up the timing issue with him.
You choose to condemn a) the post b) its timing and yet make no comment on the fact that criminal scum are wearing balaclavas and firing guns on the streets of our Capital whilst the Gardai look on and take no action. Perhaps you should be asking what that says about you?
I,m not a bit judgemental ozy particulary if i haven,t all the facts to hand,maybe the true story will come out over time.Newco is gone very silent over this matter after giving a fair ole blast earlier.
See the opening post, Richters, that's the label applied by the Justice Minister and by Sinn Fein. Please don't tell me that these degenerates have your support?
Irelevant Ozy you are a s11t stirrer and an agitator and with possibly more on your agenda
What is your problem with this thread, Pa? It is the lead story in all todays papers, the opening post is a direct quote from the Irish Times. Topical and worthy of discussion imo. Rightly or wrongly we discuss issues of the day on here, even if they are not sports related.
If the Gardai are going to stand and watch while criminals wearing balaclavas fire guns in Dublin, that's an outrage. Shame on the Catholic church for allowing it to happen on holy ground and I would like to think that they will issue a statement condemning it in due course.
If the Gardai are going to stand and watch while criminals wearing balaclavas fire guns in Dublin, that's an outrage. Shame on the Catholic church for allowing it to happen on holy ground and I would like to think that they will issue a statement condemning it in due course.
Sep 9, 2012 -- 8:18PM, Ozymandius wrote:
See the opening post, Richters, that's the label applied by the Justice Minister and by Sinn Fein.
"Please don't tell me that these degenerates have your support?"
no, dont support Shatter or Sinn Fein
no, dont support Shatter or Sinn Fein
The Real IRA are victims of the very system they refuse to accept whether you like it or not. The government in which this Gardai dope linfly follows by protecting their overt corrupt has made Ireland into a laughing stock. They sit back and watch because this destruction and activity because it is exactly what the government create, want and need to sustain the endless cycle of rhetoric, blame games and utter ignorance that reigns. This Gardai commisioner henchman is either completely evil or stupid. The Real Ira may have some strains of ideals that make sense but they do not have the leadership, sense or scruples to ever be consistent and therefore become exactly what the Government want them to be. Unfortunately this goes over your head Ozy, nothing to do with the church in any way. If people actually want this to go away then a completely new political party needs to be organized, one free from any links of any party or organizations previous. This will never happen in this dimension but for those who understand this game fully, they will enter a world free from the darkness many choose to dwell.
You are right Joe, way over my head, I don't follow a single word of that.
Ignorance, corruption and evil from the Gardai/government sprinkled with robotic systematic rhetoric bullshhit (as in quote you highlight) fools the 50% of the population that vote into believing they have a fair democracy. Fools like you follow blindly into the darkness, the rest of us suffer.
Are you thinking there are Iluminati forces at work? Sounds like Jim Corr might have been onto something after all.
Could you imagine similar support at John Gilligans funeral? Shatter is more then right to state what the majority of us think of all this. To their credit Sinn Fein have ightfully looked to distance themselves from this. This isn't 1970s West Belfast.
Fair play, the Gardai took some action this morning;
A NUMBER of arrests were made this morning over a Real IRA show of strength at the funeral of murdered terror boss Alan Ryan at the weekend.
In follow-up operations, gardai carried out a series of raids on homes across Co Dublin and neighbouring counties from 6am this morning.
A garda spokesman said the operation is ongoing and while a number of arrests have been made, further arrests cannot be ruled out.
Gardai said 14 arrests were made in the first two hours of the operation - 13 men and one woman.
The raids focused on homes in Dublin, Kildare and Meath.
Gardai said the raids were in response to possession and discharge of firearms and dissident republican activity.
The suspects were detained at a number garda stations in Dublin and Meath under section 30 of the Offences against the State Act 1939.
More than 200 gardai, including members of the Special Detective Unit, Emergency Response Unit, local detectives and uniformed officers and the Garda Dog Unit, were involved in the morning raids.
A NUMBER of arrests were made this morning over a Real IRA show of strength at the funeral of murdered terror boss Alan Ryan at the weekend.
In follow-up operations, gardai carried out a series of raids on homes across Co Dublin and neighbouring counties from 6am this morning.
A garda spokesman said the operation is ongoing and while a number of arrests have been made, further arrests cannot be ruled out.
Gardai said 14 arrests were made in the first two hours of the operation - 13 men and one woman.
The raids focused on homes in Dublin, Kildare and Meath.
Gardai said the raids were in response to possession and discharge of firearms and dissident republican activity.
The suspects were detained at a number garda stations in Dublin and Meath under section 30 of the Offences against the State Act 1939.
More than 200 gardai, including members of the Special Detective Unit, Emergency Response Unit, local detectives and uniformed officers and the Garda Dog Unit, were involved in the morning raids.
Looking forward to hearing about the security guards raiding the homes of the many many politicians, bankers and developers who have helped murder thousands of innocent people in the last few years as well as sending hundreds of thousands into lives of hell.. whats that i hear ... none held responsible and instead they help concentrate on those victims who refuse to give in without a fight to the corruption that plagues society.
ah,.....the classic 'whataboutery' defence....an attempt to downplay the seriousness of the behaviour being criticised by pointing to topics the forumite considers to be more important.
I do think the wiping out of a generations ambition and hope, the immediate and long term drastic knock on effects of the financial black hole these corrupt and unrepentant bastards have created... is much more serious than a few gunshots in the air over a death of man caught up in an underworld drama... an underworld created by the outdated and idiot laws these bastards in charge enforce with moron security guard with guns.. yes lots of guns. Are you actually able to see the seriousness of that Ozy ? You are a prime example of the brain dead sheep that have no ability to see the bigger picture. You are virtually programmed to rationalise every bit of truth you hear with ' that must be conspiracy, illuminati etc buzzwords as you simply don't have the intelligence to think for yourself.
You completely miss the point, 'Whataboutery' Joe. Not for the first time, I suspect.
It is simply not a question of which is the more serious issue. The firing of weapons by masked criminals on Holy Ground in Dublin whilst being observed by The Gardai cannot be ignored or trivialised merely by pointing out that there are more serious problems facing the nation.
It is simply not a question of which is the more serious issue. The firing of weapons by masked criminals on Holy Ground in Dublin whilst being observed by The Gardai cannot be ignored or trivialised merely by pointing out that there are more serious problems facing the nation.
The point is the very people who are tackling guns being fired in the air are themselves doing 100 fold worse damage to society, who is tackling them? You can buy into the governments terrorism PR stunt all you want but you need to learn that they created this problem themselves. It is nothing to do with 'whataboutey' as you put it, it is a very serious problem we have with security guaard terrorism , stupidity and quite frankly evil tendencies.
Are you hearing voices in your head, Whataboutery Joe? You should get that checked out.
If you are a voice in my head then i may as well get a gun myself and reek havoc across the country for personnel gain as there would be no hope for any good in this world if we all followed in line to the tune of evil corruption all our lives. Follow on this path all your life Ozy and you will fail the game at the end of it and will have to come back and do it all again in harder circumstances until you finally get where you are going wrong.
Joe....this is Oz`s thread and you will do as he says....do not dare deviate from what he wants to talk about or scorn will be poured on you from his ample jug.
Interesting to see how many charges are brought after these arrests
Interesting to see how many charges are brought after these arrests
Oz talks about the failings of others....The Gardai.....the clergy
Question for Oz.......If it irks you so much,what are YOU going to do about it? My guess is nothing but moan but your answer will reveal more,perhaps
Question for Oz.......If it irks you so much,what are YOU going to do about it? My guess is nothing but moan but your answer will reveal more,perhaps
good point rodney.....i would be surprised if there are charges after these arrests.....another gardai pr stunt....another point worth noting is the ease these gunmen murdered mr ryan given that he was the most watched man in ireland by gardai special branch by all accounts....makes ye wonder....
Yes,Richters
Rather than be outraged by the deceased`s alleged activities,Oz has been infuriated by his funeral
Deadly,if you pardon the pun
Rather than be outraged by the deceased`s alleged activities,Oz has been infuriated by his funeral
Deadly,if you pardon the pun
Oz, imagine if you will an artificial beehive built solely by man for the purpose of making honey and pollination of nearby crops... The bees produce the honey because that is what they need to do to survive.... A few worker bees are a little more adventurous and in their flight they encounter a hand waving human that they decide to sting in fear of death... A honey bee goes to pollinate and although reluctant at all times to sting he finds himself being attacked and stings releasing a smell that alerts all other bees that the hive is in danger. That honey bee may die but the main thing is the hive is protected and the bees survive.... That human however was allergic and came into great difficulty. this human decides the bees are a nuisance and must all be killed.. he moans and whines as he puts his case across but they never go away, in fact hey are protected by his brother the bee keeper who despite the discomfort of the bee victims has no intention ever to destroy the hive. He doesn't care about the bees particularly, of course, he will let them survive and will even pay the maintenance for their upkeep but eventually they will die or be killed, new ones will replace them and his brother the whinger can continue whining on about his bee sting over breakfast with his Honey coated toast every morning.
Rodders, I can assure you I am equally disgusted by the deceased activities. It is unsurprising that his funeral attracted such an unpleasant bunch of n'er do wells.
Whataboutery Joe, sorry I don't understand you when you speak in non-analgous terms so the bee analogy was completeley over my head.
I suspect you are the type of chap who when without even an ar$e in your trousers assumes that it is someone elses fault and looks around for someone else to blame. Perhaps the government or maybe the lad who is working hard and making a few quid.
The irony is that the welfare safety blanket in this country is so warm and snug that it can never be blamed for driving anyone into criminal underworld activity.
Whataboutery Joe, sorry I don't understand you when you speak in non-analgous terms so the bee analogy was completeley over my head.
I suspect you are the type of chap who when without even an ar$e in your trousers assumes that it is someone elses fault and looks around for someone else to blame. Perhaps the government or maybe the lad who is working hard and making a few quid.
The irony is that the welfare safety blanket in this country is so warm and snug that it can never be blamed for driving anyone into criminal underworld activity.
Warm and snug ? Man you really are out of touch with reality. I fear you have a very big shock coming to you one of these days that wont go over your head, it will hit you square on the dome mucker
Yes warm and snug, very few Social Welfare systems are as generous as Ireland. Perhaps somewhere like Norway,I am not sure. Just take a look at Britain for example, not much fun living on 60 quid a week or so without a job there.
If you think our government are failing you in terms of job creation, have you considered emigration? Perhaps other governments are better at it and you can prosper there?
If you think our government are failing you in terms of job creation, have you considered emigration? Perhaps other governments are better at it and you can prosper there?
I live in the UK you pleb and it is no worse or better than Ireland or many other countries around the world. Each one have their own renegade armies the present governments make examples of every day to assert control on its people. By the time you realise the gravity of what is imminent you will be laying in the street without a penny or pot to piss in, you will see how the law protects you then.
for a lot of people they will have their houses looted, burnt and told to leave the area for good. The security guards will be nowhere to be seen and nothing will ever be compensated or recovered for those people who find themselves on the street. Entire communities will be wiped out, people will be savagely attacked, beaten, tortured and killed , if they are lucky enough to avoid increasingly rampant diseases.... oh hold on this was Ardoyne in the 70s
So like a lawless post-apocalyptic wasteland with zombie vampires?
Thank God for that I thought you were describing some Dublin suburbs with a large Muslim population.
But Joe.....Compensation was rife in Ardoyne through the troubles...The Northern Ireland Office were looked upon as decent people who handed out vast sums(indiscriminately)to those who deserved it and those who didn`t....A bit like an accident that took place where i lived,when a bus with 6 passengers on it crashed...By the time the ambulance arrived,there wasn`t even "standing room only"
Sep 13, 2012 -- 9:31PM, Ozymandius wrote:
So like a lawless post-apocalyptic wasteland with zombie vampires?
That is Birmingham city
These scenes are already a reality in many places, they are about to get a lot worse. Anyho off to watch Shameless to see how Frank Gallagher is getting on with his new job.
I knew it was them Muslims just got the city wrong although for how long.
You should take a tour of some British cities these days, Borneo. I suspect you would be projectile vomiting like those WI ladies in Little Britain. Dublin would feel as pure as The Aran Islands when you got back.
I was in London twice last year and was absolutely shocked,I have grandchildren there,they are in a small minority in their schools.
What has happened in London has no precedence in history that I am aware of,the nearest thing Iwould be Fiji still I find it very sad that a nation I admire so much could allow itself be taken over,the damage is done and can't be undone.
What has happened in London has no precedence in history that I am aware of,the nearest thing Iwould be Fiji still I find it very sad that a nation I admire so much could allow itself be taken over,the damage is done and can't be undone.
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