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Contract Terminated by Aga Khan...............Thoughts Please
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Report trooper thornton August 30, 2012 11:28 AM BST
Would he have been silly enough to be involved in the training of the Tinkler horses therefore beating his retainer's horse last Sat?
Report topfarrier August 30, 2012 11:36 AM BST
I think he's slightly more than 'involved' Trooper....Laugh

Looks to have the makings of a very good trainer imo.
Report trooper thornton August 30, 2012 11:53 AM BST
Its starting to look that way alright
Report The Gotchee August 30, 2012 12:00 PM BST
Very unsporting of the Aga Khan if he sacked for his involvement in Ursa Major. Anyway he is still the best jockey riding in Ireland.
Report The Gotchee August 30, 2012 12:01 PM BST
Very unsporting of the Aga Khan if he sacked him for his involvement in Ursa Major. Anyway he is still the best jockey riding in Ireland.
Report topfarrier August 30, 2012 12:06 PM BST
Still the best in Europe imo......don't think he'll be riding for long anyway.
Report BJG August 30, 2012 12:47 PM BST
Johnny Murtagh's contract as retained rider for the owner's Irish-trained horses has been terminated, according to the Aga Khan's Irish stud farm manager Pat Downes.

The 42-year-old has ridden numerous Group One winners for the influential owner-breeder, notably guiding Sinndar to victory in the Epsom Derby, the Irish Derby and the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in 2000 when stable jockey to John Oxx.

Downes said: "I can confirm it (Murtagh's departure) is true. I don't have a whole lot more to say, other than there were differences between the parties and it was agreed that we would part."

Following Murtagh's resignation as stable jockey for Coolmore at the end of 2010, he was offered a role with the Aga Khan for a second time in November of that year.

Murtagh won the French Oaks in the Aga Khan's green and red silks aboard Valyra this June.
Report Arklearkle August 30, 2012 1:03 PM BST
If he is the best jockey in Ireland/Europe why is getting sacked by the top tables.
Report Arklearkle August 30, 2012 1:05 PM BST
*stables
Report BJG August 30, 2012 1:16 PM BST
In a statement to the Racing Post on Thursday, Murtagh said: "I was informed yesterday afternoon that my contract to ride for His Highness the Aga Khan was terminated with immediate effect.

"I would like to take this opportunity to thank His Highness and his staff in his studs in Ireland and France for the very successful years we have had together. I would like to sincerely wish them every success in the future."
Report punchestown August 30, 2012 2:05 PM BST
Through gritted teeth I bet ^^^^.
Report silvergreaser August 30, 2012 2:38 PM BST
Yeh punchestown nobody ever falls out in racing, its always an amicable parting of the ways.
Report soapp August 30, 2012 6:26 PM BST
A few things to note.

1) I was told about six weeks by a Kildare native who pointed out Murtagh's yard to me, that this was going to be his last season.

2) It was fairly obvious that the sacking could be the only answer as Johnny had inside info on the way the Oxx horses could be beaten riding out in the stable all the time. He used this knowledge to devastating effect with Ursa Major at the weekend, resulting in a severe loss to the Aga Khan.
Report trooper thornton August 30, 2012 7:04 PM BST
If it was fairly obvious why are you highlighting it after the event plus if your second point is true he is a despicable little man taking the retainer and plotting to beat him as well
Report soapp August 30, 2012 7:40 PM BST
TT, it is not my business to speculate on some future event. Racing is very incestuous as it is without spreading gossip and speculation.
Report rubyisgodinthesaddle August 30, 2012 9:59 PM BST
And to think the way they f*&ked Berry over at Oxx's. Murtagh barely last's any time at all.
Report wildmanfromborneo August 30, 2012 10:29 PM BST
Fran Berry is not good enough,this could be a great opportunity for Foley or Curtis,will be interesting to see who will ride Born To Sea next time he runs.
Report richters August 30, 2012 10:51 PM BST
wmfb curtis,foley or even mccullough could never replace murtagh imo.....i can see themm goin back for berry 4 sure..
Report Bigwillystyle August 30, 2012 11:05 PM BST
Dont like him but DP McDonagh might have a chance. Prendegast not doing much these days.
Report wildmanfromborneo August 30, 2012 11:11 PM BST
Agree with Richters a very hard act to follow.
I like McDonagh and he was a great jockey but he is riding poorly at the moment,no chance.
Report richters August 30, 2012 11:19 PM BST
i wouldnt rule him out wmfb....agree that he not having the best of years.....but on his day he could be more capable for the job than those mentioned above imo....
Report STELLAR MANIPULATOR August 30, 2012 11:25 PM BST
Not just the fact of beating the Aga last weekend but not hiding his elation afterwards was the catalyst for this move, Taking over some has beens from stables in the GB , in fairness, one could be forgiven for not foreseeing any conflict with the Aga's Group horses but Ursa Major has improved his rating by over 2 stone to become a legitimate Leger candidate. And Murtagh is showing some potential at the moment for being a top trainer in the future and is likely to get a serious injection of numbers and talent from Mr Stobart going forward. Suspect John Oxx is not thrilled with the development as none of the potential candidates to replace Murtagh are in the same ballpark as him ( i.e world class ). Doubt Murtagh is in a hurry to hand up his boots just yet and no one has more experience at bouncing back from setbacks than him.
Report topfarrier August 31, 2012 7:55 AM BST
The Aga does have a history of biting his nose off to spite his face tbf......doesn't seem to be anyone around to replace

Johnny at the moment,i suppose Foley has a foot in the door so might be a possibility with Lemaire coming over for any Big

days that don't clash with France?

McDonagh has no chance imo and i can't see them going back to Fran after treating him so badly.
Report GANT007 August 31, 2012 8:20 AM BST
Nothing will happen for at least 6 months on this. Halford and Oxx will wing it with the jockeys they have.........With the standard of horses the Aga Khan has in Ireland this year there will be no panic.
At 42 maybe it's time for Johnny to kick on with the training even though he is still one of the top riders out there.
Report silvergreaser August 31, 2012 9:25 AM BST
A conflict of interest and divided loyalties, I can't see where the Aga had any other option but to terminate Johnnys contract?.
There are plenty of capable jockeys out there, and if the horses are good enough they'll win races.

As for Johnny's training career, with such a powerful backer the future looks rosy.
Report topfarrier August 31, 2012 10:32 AM BST
Wouldn't be a major surprise if the Aga doesn't pull out of Ireland before long anyway.

From what i've heard his relationship with Oxx is not what it used to be.
Report ScarletBelle August 31, 2012 10:35 AM BST
It's time for Seamie Heffernan to leave Ballydoyle and get in with Oxx (only 10ish or so winners this season) and only a small part player for O'Brien these days (worse than ever before for him)..
Report bobbybocala August 31, 2012 11:05 AM BST
seamie heffernan.......will ye stop will ya......oxx wouldnt entertain that little rat......as for berry getting his job back......that is a 1000/1.......anybody can see he cant pull his pants off......hes so weak......fran berry has the correct job.....a nothing jockey riding for a nothing stable who specialise in nothing jockeys......
Report BJG August 31, 2012 11:08 AM BST
Friday, August 31, 2012

Mystery surrounds the termination yesterday of Johnny Murtagh’s contract as retained jockey for the Aga Khan’s Irish-trained horses.

The 42-year-old was offered the role in November 2010, after resigning as stable jockey to Coolmore and few details were released as to the reason for his departure.

A statement issued by Murtagh yesterday read: "I was informed yesterday afternoon that my contract to ride for His Highness, the Aga Khan, was being terminated with immediate effect.

"I would like to take this opportunity to thank His Highness and staff at his studs in Ireland and France for the very successful years we have had together, and to sincerely wish them every success in the future."

The Aga Khan, one of the most high profile owner-breeders in the sport, has enjoyed great success with Murtagh, particularly during the rider’s first spell as stable jockey to trainer John Oxx. He guided Sinndar to victory in the Epsom Derby, the Irish Derby and the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe in 2000, part of 18 Group One wins he won for the Aga Khan during the period, and took the French Oaks in his green and red silks aboard Valyra this June.

The Aga Khan’s Irish stud farm manager, Pat Downes, indicated there had been "differences between the parties".

He said: "I can confirm it [Murtagh’s departure] is true. I don’t have a whole lot more to say, other than there were differences between the parties and it was agreed that we would part."

Murtagh is currently injured after sustaining a hairline fracture to a small bone under an eye when kicked by his mount, Lottie Dod, in the preliminaries before the Phoenix Stakes at the Curragh on August 12.

There was speculation yesterday that the defeat of the Aga Khan’s Hartani by the Tommy Carmody-trained Ursa Major at the Curragh last Saturday was a step too far for the owner.

Carmody trains on the Curragh in a yard that he rents from Murtagh. Carmody has been enjoying a terrific season and Murtagh is increasingly associated with the stable.

The axing has to be regarded as a major surprise, considering the Aga Khan sang Murtagh’s praises in June after he had partnered his ill-fated Valyra to win the Group 1 Prix de Diane at Chantilly. The Aga Khan said: "I had my secret weapon [Murtagh] on board, who is the best man in a finish in Europe if not the world.’’

Murtagh now has links with another increasingly influential owner in Irish racing in Andrew Tinkler, who recently moved the majority of his string to Carmody.

At the time of Murtagh’s appointment, the Aga Khan said: "We have had some wonderful days in the past and we look forward to renewing our successful association.

"I believe it is vital to the continued success of my bloodstock operation to have a retained jockey in the countries where my horses are trained.

"This has been the situation in France for many years and I am most pleased now to have a similar arrangement in Ireland."

Murtagh has ridden 46 winners so far this year in Ireland and five of his top six money-earners have been Oxx-trained Aga Khan horses, such as Takar and Sharestan, while he has won minor races on horses for the owner’s other Irish trainer, Michael Halford.

Murtagh has landed some of the big British prizes, teaming up with Oxx’s Saddler’s Rock, owned by Michael O’Flynn, in the Goodwood Cup and taking the King Edward VII Stakes at Royal Ascot on the Henry Cecil-trained Thomas Chippendale.
Report thegalwayman August 31, 2012 11:49 AM BST
How was Berry badly treated? He was promoted beyond his level of ability and was found out. He was extremely lucky to get the role in the first place.
Report G Hall August 31, 2012 2:02 PM BST
Looking long term Murtagh slipped up badly,only a couple of more years riding,and once training if he proved himself capable,there was the chance the Aga might give him a couple to train......no chance now.....but I find the racing fraternity are very short sighted in general.
Report workrider August 31, 2012 3:21 PM BST
thats you banned bigwillystyle ....the aka khan is a muslim and is thought of in god like fashion by his 65 million followers ....for you to say a man like the aga khan is a thieving rat is a disgrace ..this man has brought great employment to irish racing ..he imput to irish racing has been huge ..shame on you...
Report wildmanfromborneo August 31, 2012 3:27 PM BST
The Aga Khan bought that hotel beside the Curragh to enable the improvements that have yet to take place,he feels taken advantage of,he is also sick bailing out bad property speculaters close to him,can see him retreat to France.
Report Bigwillystyle August 31, 2012 3:32 PM BST
Wonky i reported the said post myself as i felt it a little over the top.
Report workrider August 31, 2012 3:34 PM BST
no wildman he has to many irons in the fire here ..loves his irish racing , has massive bloodstock interests , including stud farms etc ....plus i'm sure he'd have business interests as well ...like all things in racing you have your ups and downs ..he's big enough to take this on the chin....
Report silvergreaser August 31, 2012 3:37 PM BST
Wildman as you're aware I'm sure?, HRI/Turf Club levelled the Aga's gift the Standhouse hotel, bar and lounge to put in a car park.
The standhouse was part and parcel of a day out at the Curragh, with its demolition any atmosphere that existed was wiped out in one fell swoop.

Galwayman, John Oxx hasn't trained a group one winner since Mick Kinane and Sea The Stars retired back in 2009, hardly Frans fault the quality of horse was not there?.
Report workrider August 31, 2012 3:37 PM BST
another little insight into your sick mind methinks littlewilly....you might have had it taken down ..but you said it nevertheless ...shows what you really are ...a sick little fecker....
Report wildmanfromborneo August 31, 2012 3:41 PM BST
John Oxx is a poor trainer.
Once he stayed after the Shergar debacle he will hardly leave now despite him feeling he was ripped off.
Fran Berry was never good enough for the job,how he is still riding for Jessica Harrington is a mystery.
Report silvergreaser August 31, 2012 3:51 PM BST
We'll have to disagree wildman, as you know I'm a great believer of, if the horse is good enough the jockey is good enough, I think a jockeys contribution is way overrated.
I think any half decent jockey would've won the guineas and 2 derbys on Camelot, wouldn't you think?.

Fran rode a good few group winners for the mainly national hunt trainer Jessica, particulary 2yo races.
Report topfarrier August 31, 2012 4:58 PM BST
Fran has few equals on a two year old imo.
Report thegalwayman August 31, 2012 5:24 PM BST
I don't see your point silvergreaser. Fran is equally inept at riding in all races, not just group ones.
Report lustrumm August 31, 2012 5:42 PM BST
As long as the Aga is racing he will have an interest in Ireland. He would not breed anywhere else. I used work in one of the Stud farms and his love of the area and grounds is a life time one. He'll never leave. Most of the best bloodstock go to ~Europe to race anyway but Murtagh will be a big loss and it could spell the end for Oxx, certainly the end as a leading trainer.

Different owner I know but look at what happened at York when McCullagh rode. That is what he is letting himself in for now if Murtagh goes.

Personally I never liked Murtagh but of all the leading riders there was/is no one like him on the big day.
Report sean rua August 31, 2012 5:57 PM BST
Workrider,
          not wanting to get into any controversy here, but, a few months ago, I was talking to a priest from India about Kashmir.
He happened to mention the A.Kh.
He reckoned that when the guy comes to one of his mountain retreats up that way, he leaves his transport and walks the last half furlong " on the hair of a thousand maidens who lie on his path."

If this be true, maybe it shows what kind of a power we're chatting about here.

Be that as it may, maybe there is something contrary about Johnny; I like the guy a lot, but I can never forget the day at Listowel when he came near last on a 1/10 Ballydoyle maiden. Sad

In the paddock before the race, JM was leaning on a rail near me and away from the horse and those two handlers they use. In fact, I heard one of them ask where was the jockey.
JM and Ballydoyle parted company soon after - within days if I remember correctly. I felt something was up.

I suppose it takes two to tango, but, imo, the powerful men of racing are on a different planet from the rest of us. 'Tis doubtful they care a fk about mere mortals like us. Certainly, we're always gonna be trying to second-guess w tf is actually going on.

Anyway, all the best with your punting! I always like your posts.Happy
Report workrider August 31, 2012 6:08 PM BST
nice to hear from you again sean rua...we met at down royal , if you look deeply enough you'll see the reason johnny left imo ,  basically would you as a world class jockey be happy knowing that you weren't on the best horse in a g1 ...imo they had a plan and the plan was joseph , simple as...
Report bobbybocala August 31, 2012 7:23 PM BST
the usual nonsense from wonker..... the 65 million followers ......what a fukking tool u are wonker....and who is this ghoul Sean rua...... there was no horse beat at 1/10 in listowel.....still what does being right about something ever matter on here.....just write any kind of shitt ya like ......who cares whether it's true or not......or like what wonker posts.....pure rubbish.....
Report workrider August 31, 2012 7:47 PM BST
medication not working booby....Laugh
Report bobbybocala August 31, 2012 7:54 PM BST
get into bed ya fool ya wonker.....and bring Sean rua with ya......yere well met.....
Report workrider August 31, 2012 8:02 PM BST
poor booby ...trying to work out who you really are is tough when theres so many of ya.....Laugh....try misslimerick next time....
Report Allduckornodinner August 31, 2012 8:08 PM BST
I'd imagine Exodus is the horse he's referring to. Wasn't quite a tens on shot.
Report workrider August 31, 2012 8:14 PM BST
allduck you're worse to even reply to that clown ...he's a gobshyte of the highest order and should be under medical supervision....i only reply to wind the gobshyte up....he'll be back soon as someone else on another account...Laugh
Report wildmanfromborneo August 31, 2012 8:16 PM BST
Exodus was a 4/5 shot and although well beaten did not finish last.
Sean Rua would be no friend of Timberman judging by his comments on the racing forum,think he is employed in that capacity.
Report bobbybocala August 31, 2012 8:24 PM BST
to say 4/5 is not quite 1/10 is a small understatement.....not to worry though......we wont get in the way of a good story.....there are plenty of storytellers here......as for wonker......yer not even bright enough to be the village idiot.....a world class dope......
Report workrider August 31, 2012 8:31 PM BST
coming from you booby thats a compliment....Laugh....i always wondered what it must be like to be to have to be right all the time...its no wonder you need medication ....Laugh
Report bobbybocala August 31, 2012 8:33 PM BST
told ya before wonker......when u enter the wonderful world of wonkerland......theres no medication that will work......
Report workrider August 31, 2012 8:36 PM BST
so i noticed booby...ok here we go again....relax slowly count to three ...1..2...3...thats it ...deep breath ...1...2..3...someone ring the e.s.b. ffs....Laugh
Report 3winnersandasecond August 31, 2012 9:53 PM BST
In The Stables With Trainer Tommy Carmody

Saturday’s results prompted some mixed emotions, but it was still a fabulous day. We brought Royal Diamond to York for the Ebor simply because we felt he would go there with a chance. We knew that if he ran to his ability he’d be there or thereabouts, and he is a horse that will put his heart and soul into everything for you.

So we were thrilled to see him vindicate our judgement by running such a big race for Niall McCullagh, but heartbroken that he came out on the wrong side in a tight finish with Willing Foe. The stewards looked into the fact that Willing Foe intimidated our fellow a little inside the final furlong, which gave us the smallest bit of hope.

Ultimately, though, the horses never touched and Royal Diamond was beaten a neck rather than a head, so we’d have been very lucky if the verdict had been overturned. Such is life, and events at the Curragh had already ensured it would be a great day.

Ursa Major won for a third time on the trot to deny the odds-on favourite Hartani in the Irish St Leger Trial, with both horses pulling a long way clear of the rest. To win a Group Three like that in my first season back training is brilliant, and goes a long way to justifying my decision to accept the job that I was offered here at Pollardstown.

Johnny Murtagh, who owns the yard, is a good friend of mine, and he in turn is a good friend of Andrew Tinkler’s. When the opportunity was put to me to train some horses for Andrew at Pollardstown, I accepted it straight away.

For me, it was all about the horses. Andrew has horses in training with the Henry Cecils, Michael Stoutes and Richard Hannons of the world, so you know you are dealing with thoroughbreds that are bred to race at the highest level.

That was what appealed to me. When I trained previously, I had some good success, but I didn’t have that calibre of horse or owner.

Andrew is hugely committed to the game. This is his first venture into ownership in Ireland, and it has proved to be a very successful one so far. We’ve enjoyed 11 winners together since February, the very same tally with which I concluded my previous stint as a trainer in 2005.

On day one, we started with just six of Andrew’s horses here, and now we have 17. Put it this way – he is happy, and I am happy.

I enjoy being involved on the ground again, and we have a great team. Johnny rides out regularly, mucks out and generally gets stuck in, because he finds being active helps to keep his weight steady. To have someone with his expertise on hand is invaluable, while Niall McCullagh and Ben Curtis are also vital cogs in the wheel.

Johnny’s wife Orla plays her part, too. If it’s just the jeep and box going racing, I will do the driving, but Orla is the one who drives the lorry when the need arises.

This week, our good fortune continued at Ballinrobe on Tuesday, when Hartside completed his hat-trick in typically game fashion. He makes hard work of things, but he stays all day, tries hard and has earned a well-earned break now.

At Killarney yesterday, Sweet Lighting might have been feeling the effects of his run on Sunday when finishing down the field at Killarney, though I’d be hoping for some better luck if we head back to the Kerry venue tomorrow, when King Of Dudes and Seventh Sign are both engaged.

Both horses are fit and well, with Seventh Sign another that is bidding for a third win in quick succession. After what Ursa Major and Hartside have done, it would be something special if he were to complete a hat-trick of hat-tricks.


A few points:
1. It's quite clear that poor Tommy isn't getting the credit he deserves for some marvellous training.
2. Aga unlikely to up sticks and leave, particularly with a strong base at Gilltown.
3. Oxx is well able to train and those writing him off will be proven wrong. I'm sure Aga won't forget his role in ensuring STS went to Gilltown.
4. Nomally agree with Stellar but I watched celebrations at Curragh after Leger Trial and didn't get the impression that Murtagh was rubbing Downes nose in it. In fact he walked away with Ursa Major towards the pre-parade yard for Pat Healy to take a long lens photo rather than do so in normal spot in winners enclosure.
5. The roaring by the Murtaghs (I must admit I joined in too) directly outside Weigh room in full earshot of all the august members of the Turf Club when big screen was showing final furlongs of Tote Ebor could have left no one in doubt that they were hoping that Royal Daimond would win for his tenant...!
Report mitch leary September 1, 2012 12:52 AM BST
John Oxx is a poor trainer. Wildmanfromborneo
What an outrageous statement. Get a grip man.
Report topfarrier September 1, 2012 1:34 PM BST
Paddy Burke was a very underrated trainer too imo....Plain
Report rubyisgodinthesaddle September 2, 2012 5:58 PM BST
I thought Fran Berry 2 or 3 years ago was riding as good as anyone in Europe. He was fantastic IMO and won many races with little or no ammunition especially from Harrington.

He has fallen downhill fast but his confidence has been shot IMO. Harrington has had a woeful years in both codes and Oxx Shafted him as soon as he could and would have smashed any ones confidence. He has ridden poor this year and last but when he was behind Kinane in Oxx's he was riding pure class and lets face it Mick Kinane was F(*KING PISS FOR 3 SEASONS IF NOT MORE AT OXXS
Report Timeforchange September 2, 2012 6:12 PM BST
Pity.
Report sean rua September 2, 2012 7:41 PM BST
A trivial matter, but as some of the hysterical byores on here got their knickers in a twist, I'd better apologise for getting the prices wrong in my little "story".
Sorry about that.BlushSad

Most people would understand the essence of the story anyway. That's the bit that matters, imo. Happy

As it happens, I struggle to remember what happened two days ago never mind two years, but i think I was on about Exodus alright and 'twas Brittania that came last in a nursery.
'Tis all water under the bridge now, so not a bother.

All the very best to ye and to Johnny!
Report rubyisgodinthesaddle September 2, 2012 7:47 PM BST
another winner for Carmody and 5/1. Turning horses inside out. TBH losing the Oxx job really who cares, Oxx has given him nothing at the Group 1 level and prob is more effort than it is worth riding out there every morning and having to put up with Oxx.

I could see Johnny to start cherry picking and maybe just going to the Group 1 tracks for rides and leave the more mundane Wexford or Downroyal stuff alone. He still get all the big rides from Haggas etc!
Report GANT007 September 2, 2012 7:53 PM BST
When did he lose the Oxx job?.
Report richters September 2, 2012 8:00 PM BST
gant it will be interesting to see oxxs next move in this episode.....imo he will be under pressure from aga khan to push murtagh out altogether and oxx knows he has noone even close to being good enough to replace him....
Report redbait September 2, 2012 8:18 PM BST
"TBH losing the Oxx job really who cares, Oxx has given him nothing at the Group 1 level and prob is more effort than it is worth riding out there every morning and having to put up with Oxx."

You're right, I don't know how Murtagh managed to put up with the notoriously cantankerous and hot-headed John Oxx for so long.

FFS.
Report GANT007 September 2, 2012 8:20 PM BST
I'd say he will ride all Oxx's non Aga Khan horses and not come into the yard very often......Poor auld Ger Lyons will be wetting himself to put Johnny up on all of his.
Report GANT007 September 2, 2012 8:22 PM BST
Redbait........yer man is some clown.
Report rubyisgodinthesaddle September 2, 2012 8:32 PM BST
redbait, simply what has John Oxx given Murtagh the past few years in big winners?. I can't remember any bar say that handicapper that won the Lincoln early in the year and that 2yr old filly. All his big Group 1 winner have come from across the Irish sea where Haggas, Balding Noseda etc have provided him with plenty of ammunition down through the years and Haggas most recently.

Fran Berry albeit a different calibre of rider I accept to the proven Group 1 Jockey in Murtagh was told the same and I don't think he has ever ridden for oxx again. How many outside owners with many horses does oxx have?...N McCuallagh will fill in but surely he snap up some young lad now. Can anyone really see The Aga Khan sacking Murtagh and then Oxx turning around and saying right he will still ride the rest of my horses not owned by you. I would doubt Oxx would have the gaul to do such a thing.

Is the Oxx stable really going places, plodding along the same old winning maidens at Roscommon on a Monday night with horses that have had generations of fine tuning breeding wise. Look at K Prendergast falling off the map. Big jobs in Ireland are Coolmore, Watchman and Stack (Lordan), Weld and Bolger. They are all locked up everything else is much of a muchness. Johnny won't stand still he move forward and keep winning like he has always done.
Report GANT007 September 2, 2012 8:51 PM BST
What do you mean by having to put up with Oxx........tell me more.
Sindaar, timarida, ridgewood pearl, namid,alamshar, ebadiya etc etc...........
Report rubyisgodinthesaddle September 2, 2012 9:02 PM BST
How many of them were since Murtagh took over the second time???...why would I possibly talking about 10 years ago aren't we talking now as in only a few days ago. Its a completely different set of circumstances.

When was the last time John Oxx had a Aga Khan Horse running in the any of the Irish Classics with a favorite's chance?.
Katiyra in the Irish Oaks and didn't even place.
Report GANT007 September 2, 2012 9:52 PM BST
Oxx might have a group 1 horse next year.......who knows.
This training lark is swings and rounabouts and Johnny is around long enough to realise only a few trainers ever have genuine group 1 charges.....Oxx is in that group and to suggest he is a difficult man to get on with is way off the mark.
Report soapp September 4, 2012 6:05 PM BST
Murtagh returns at Gowran tomorrow



Johnny Murtagh returns from a spell on the sidelines for one ride at Gowran Park on Wednesday.

Murtagh suffered facial injuries when unshipped from Lottie Dod prior to the Phoenix Stakes at the Curragh on August 12 and was in the news last week after his contract with owner and breeder the Aga Khan was terminated with immediate effect.


Trainer John Oxx confirmed on Monday he would continue to use Murtagh on his horses not under the ownership of the Aga Khan and he is on course to partner Born To Sea for the yard in Saturday's Red Mills Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown.


He eases his way back into competitive action midweek at Gowran Park, with the Tommy Carmody-trained Sherzam his sole mount.


The two-year-old filly, owned by Andrew Tinkler, lines up in the Rooftop Restaurant at Gowran Park Nursery.
Report silvergreaser September 4, 2012 8:32 PM BST
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Oxx might have a group 1 horse next year.......who knows.
This training lark is swings and rounabouts and Johnny is around long enough to realise only a few trainers ever have genuine group 1 charges.....Oxx is in that group and to suggest he is a difficult man to get on with is way off the mark.


Isn't that what I was saying gant, trainers are only as good as their next good horse.
Report GANT007 September 4, 2012 8:36 PM BST
Oxx can create and manage a good horse.......the big players don't take too many chances.
Report soapp September 5, 2012 7:44 PM BST
4th  Sherzam (GB) 9-7 (Andrew Tinkler)
(1:29.56) (Drawn 13) Rated 77
Exceed And Excel (AUS) - Shersha (IRE)(Priolo (USA))
Breeder - Sir Eric Parker
(Morning price: 5/2 9/4 5/2 9/4 5/2 9/4 5/2 9/4 2/1 9/4 2/1 9/4 2/1)
(Ring price: 5/2 11/4 3/1 10/3 3/1) SP 3/1Jfav
Thomas Carmody

J P Murtagh

chased leaders, 4th halfway, ridden into 2nd 2f out, no extra in 3rd 1f out, kept on same pace



A nice blow out for the weekend.

Finished 4th.
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