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08 Jul 12
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Its amazing how bookmakers failed to see this guy was in serious trouble from an early stage although I suspect the knew exactly what was happening and failed to take action to remedy this unfortunate situation
The software available to bookmakers to spot bad business and deal with it is well documented on here but it’s equally effective in spotting big losers as well
To have taken advantage of someone with an illness as serious as this for this type of money stinks bearing in mind that if you’re a couple of grand ahead they will refuse you business.
Social responsibility me a-rse
A SENIOR An Post manager yesterday pleaded guilty to the theft of almost €1.7m from postal accounts.
He is alleged to have taken the money because of a gambling addiction.
At Wexford Circuit Criminal Court yesterday, Tony O'Reilly (37), of Sandhills, Hacketstown Road, Carlow, pleaded guilty to six offences of theft and six other charges of falsifying An Post lodgement dockets for accounting purposes between December 6, 2010, and June 29, 2011.
The former Gorey postal manager replied 'guilty' in a one-word response to the charges.
The thefts amounted to a total of €1,650,000.
Defence counsel Patrick McCarthy requested that the case be adjourned to the October sessions. He also asked for the preparation of a probation and welfare report.
The defendant, he said, was also undergoing counselling treatment at Cuan Mhuire centre in Athy. As a result, he asked that his client be kept on free legal aid for the provision of a report from Cuan Mhuire.
Judge Barry Hickson agreed to the two requests.
O'Reilly, who stood in court wearing a rain jacket, left the courtroom through a side door following a short consultation with his legal team.
When the crime was first discovered a year ago, O'Reilly could not be found after he had disappeared on his way to work at Gorey post office from his home in Carlow.
Gardai were called in by the postal authorities and local officers, backed up by detectives from the national fraud bureau, launched a probe and interviewed members of staff after an internal audit discovered the 'black hole' in the finances of the post office branch.
Crash
O'Reilly left his home at 6.30am to drive to the post office in Gorey.
His wife Lorraine became concerned when she received a text message from his work mobile stating that he had been involved in a car crash near Tullow on his way to work.
Internal auditors, who were present in Gorey post office at the time, also received a similar text message.
The defendant was later located in Belfast before returning to Carlow.
The software available to bookmakers to spot bad business and deal with it is well documented on here but it’s equally effective in spotting big losers as well
To have taken advantage of someone with an illness as serious as this for this type of money stinks bearing in mind that if you’re a couple of grand ahead they will refuse you business.
Social responsibility me a-rse
A SENIOR An Post manager yesterday pleaded guilty to the theft of almost €1.7m from postal accounts.
He is alleged to have taken the money because of a gambling addiction.
At Wexford Circuit Criminal Court yesterday, Tony O'Reilly (37), of Sandhills, Hacketstown Road, Carlow, pleaded guilty to six offences of theft and six other charges of falsifying An Post lodgement dockets for accounting purposes between December 6, 2010, and June 29, 2011.
The former Gorey postal manager replied 'guilty' in a one-word response to the charges.
The thefts amounted to a total of €1,650,000.
Defence counsel Patrick McCarthy requested that the case be adjourned to the October sessions. He also asked for the preparation of a probation and welfare report.
The defendant, he said, was also undergoing counselling treatment at Cuan Mhuire centre in Athy. As a result, he asked that his client be kept on free legal aid for the provision of a report from Cuan Mhuire.
Judge Barry Hickson agreed to the two requests.
O'Reilly, who stood in court wearing a rain jacket, left the courtroom through a side door following a short consultation with his legal team.
When the crime was first discovered a year ago, O'Reilly could not be found after he had disappeared on his way to work at Gorey post office from his home in Carlow.
Gardai were called in by the postal authorities and local officers, backed up by detectives from the national fraud bureau, launched a probe and interviewed members of staff after an internal audit discovered the 'black hole' in the finances of the post office branch.
Crash
O'Reilly left his home at 6.30am to drive to the post office in Gorey.
His wife Lorraine became concerned when she received a text message from his work mobile stating that he had been involved in a car crash near Tullow on his way to work.
Internal auditors, who were present in Gorey post office at the time, also received a similar text message.
The defendant was later located in Belfast before returning to Carlow.
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Will the State be chasing the losses regarding repatriation of funds from the bookies concerned ? Particularly relevant if bookies ( admit ) target losers . Any of us who win get stopped in our tracks , losers might be "encouraged" . If so , time for a test case . And there will probably be a "paper " trail , cant see cash being the selected betting mode .
Knew of a similar type case locally back in the sixties , but the guy disappeared and has not been seen since ( allegedly ) . Internal audit people should be getting their papers . Never got to court though , no body a la Midsomer . Similar sums then , indexed of course , but I knew where the money went ( which bookie that is , not in business as a bookie any longer ).
Knew of a similar type case locally back in the sixties , but the guy disappeared and has not been seen since ( allegedly ) . Internal audit people should be getting their papers . Never got to court though , no body a la Midsomer . Similar sums then , indexed of course , but I knew where the money went ( which bookie that is , not in business as a bookie any longer ).
According to the article from "The Irish Independent" (above) this case was to be adjourned to October 2012. Does anyone know if the case was heard last month ? I can't find any further info on it online.
, wtf was he at?
Is there some law in Ireland that if you claim you gambled money away they can't look for it back?
The guy clearly has a serious gambling problem and is currently getting treatment for his addiction. I'm interested in other issues related to the case concerning the protection of the general public from unscrupulous betting organisations.
this could be a staggering blow to bookies who claim they encourage customers to seek help ....why did the betting shop managers or , on line manager , not make this man aware that he was not betting in an rational manner ....gam care , or someone should take this farther ..as most on here know if you tried to have a substantial bet with these accountants , they would tell you were to sling your hook ...i really hope some newsman takes this up ....
No doubt whatsoever that the bookmaker or bookmakers involved will return the money to the State. It's only a matter of time (and it may already have been given back).
That may or may not be the case, hardly, but such an action will not, in itself, prevent a similar occurrence in the future or presently for that matter. If the public are to be protected we need to know a lot more about this case.
Am i correct in stating this type of activity could be examined under proceeds of crime legislation.I,d like to think if one of my employees embezzled 1.7 million and gambled it across the road i,d have some type of comeback.Leaving that aside it beggars belief the financi.al control systems in place within An Post.Does anyone know the name of the Bookmaker involved in this fraud.
this is one of those cases that highlights the difference between legally and ethically. Legally the bookies did nothing wrong but ethically well i guess you'd have to judge what type of bets and if he was online or actual shop punter. if he was online its hard to find what is his financial status and maybe he can afford this etc (yeah the figures seem questionable) or did he punt in a shop if so, was he dressed like he had such money did he drive a car of such status etc..
the other questionable thing is did he punt the full amount away or did he live a very good lifestyle on stolen money and is there any chance that an accountant may have embresseled a large amount of the 1.7million. The bookies have been an excuse for criminals for many years, bertie said he won that money on the horses and some of the big drug kingpins have tried to claim being pro punters.
the burden of repayment lies with the accused not with the bookie, who did not steal anything. (similarly if he had bought a big fancy car and it had depreciated over a year and then taken off him by CAB would he just owe the amount the car was valued at and the difference from new price from the main dealership who should have known he couldnt afford such a car?)
on a side note i was told he was active in all the shops in carlow town, makes sense when the town of its size has 4boyles 2PPs 2ladcrokes and a few indos..
personally i have no sympathy for the man he is a thief and is the same as seanie fitzpatrick he has stolen from us the tax payer and lived how he wanted to.
the other questionable thing is did he punt the full amount away or did he live a very good lifestyle on stolen money and is there any chance that an accountant may have embresseled a large amount of the 1.7million. The bookies have been an excuse for criminals for many years, bertie said he won that money on the horses and some of the big drug kingpins have tried to claim being pro punters.
the burden of repayment lies with the accused not with the bookie, who did not steal anything. (similarly if he had bought a big fancy car and it had depreciated over a year and then taken off him by CAB would he just owe the amount the car was valued at and the difference from new price from the main dealership who should have known he couldnt afford such a car?)
on a side note i was told he was active in all the shops in carlow town, makes sense when the town of its size has 4boyles 2PPs 2ladcrokes and a few indos..
personally i have no sympathy for the man he is a thief and is the same as seanie fitzpatrick he has stolen from us the tax payer and lived how he wanted to.
Case was postponed in Oct. Rescheduled to Wexford Circuit Criminal Court for 11th Dec next. Hopefully facts revealed then. Very interesting.
Change the Post Office for Horse trainer pleads guilty to fraud, now that would be a first!
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