The wonder horse

theres a best he ever trained every year?!!?

His spilts at home are even better that Pescatorio apparently.

Need to give him a very light 2YO campaign.

lets wait and see.

Entered this Wednesday in Naas. Could be the same race Giants Causeway won????

If hes half as good as g.c.then we have a lot to look forward to joe.

not goin 2 naas entered in the 3.35 newmarket friday

is he in the 2.25 tomorrow at dundalk?

yes 1/2 on here at the minute....obrien has 3

All 3 have great breeding Rich. Should be a interesting race.

gonna head over and see what the fuss is about....half an hour away....

Might be worth holding on to your tote win ticket..COULD BE ANOTHER BLACK CAVIAR.

He is almost definitely a value lay imo .A galileo colt over 7f on that surface against a couple of more speedily bred colts and fillies by Henrythenavigator and street sense.Interesting to see how he goes tho.

YA GALILEO RAN HIS ONLY poor race on the dirt in the breeders cup..while Henrythenavigator ran 2nd in the same race a couple of years later..but im sure Aiden just wants to get a run on ground that is not soft. your most likely right DJ about the lay he could be as low as 2/5 if all the runners go to post

He is probably a value lay but his dam was speedy.It will depend on the price-he could be 2/7 or 6/4.
€1600 matched already.

William Hill cut Mars to 16-1 (from 20) for next year's Derby earlier and spokeswoman Lucy Rhodes said "it's not surprising to see an unraced O'Brien inmate supported for one of next year's Classic before its debut." (4 hours ago)

frank henry ran on the all weather in the US not the dirt

frank60     15 Jul 12 23:00 
YA GALILEO RAN HIS ONLY poor race on the dirt in the breeders cup..while Henrythenavigator ran 2nd in the same race a couple of years later..but im sure Aiden just wants to get a run on ground that is not soft. your most likely right DJ about the lay he could be as low as 2/5 if all the runners go to post

What is the relevance of this?

Galileo ran on dirt.
Henrythenav ran on pro-ride
Mars runs on polytrack.

There is a world of difference between what Galileo ran on and what the other surfaces are like and comparisons are completely irrelevant.

unusual place to start the best 2 yr old (possibly) hes ever trained?

drawn in 10, crazy price!

would prefer prendegasts if i had to bet (which thankfully i dont)


gl if youre on op, would be nice to see something exciting.

just thought he'd be in a better race at a better track if he was THAT good!

Point taken Bassanio...not one of my best posts

Some improvement from The henrythenavigator colt at Dundalk,they seem to hate soft ground-not surprising he is standing in America

HERE WE GO!

ilwab,he's obviously starting him at dundalk because grounds conditions are atrocious all over ireland,
Not having a bet,but will be keeping an eye on rain god for future reference.

Not a stunning looker from photos anyway.

drifting bigtime.

Rain God may have a bit too much toe for him on this surface over 7f

nice looker.

here we go.

gl mars.

Derby winner without question.

nice performance.

impressive 1.4 after a furlong,1.79bsp.

noticed that alright.

place price only dropped 3 ticks at the same time!

Very impressive,did everything well,travelled  and quickened.skys the limit with him.

They'll be delighted with the first 2 there,

as for rain god.....

NICE HORSE........Seamie took a pull a furlong out on his.......2 nice colts.

Mars on the way to post in Dundalk today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDJzEtUz_4&feature=plcp

Superb performance!

Looked to be only getting going approaching the jam stick.

Did it well, but there was no opposition worth talking about. The stable companions were out to get a bit of experience. The Ferryman looks a likely starter in Weld's favourite maiden on the Monday in Galway.

^ 2nd that!

I hope you are right Soaap - i'l get a bigger price on Thunder Mountain!!

Thunder Mountain (IRE) 9/1    2    9-5     D K Weld    —    *    *   

Pat Smullen
   
Always towards rear, never a factor, no threat from 2f out

Come racing!

Completely agree with the hype and the bookmakers are talking tosh there was no word from Ballydoyle about Camelot. I followed the horse and markets since he was on my radar before he had even run and there was no murmuring these chap is the next coming.

If there is any superstar its Dei for me!

Dei

ffs,who the hell is naming these animals these days!??

Its a good name!.

Plenty of mystery!

why u think dei is a poss superstar rubes?

He likes the name

Latin in some form for God innit.

I just follow my gut most of the time and the page.

Not entered up in anything bar the Derby and National Stakes. None of these hocus Pocus Group 2 races. Has not been entered in any race this side of Summer hence my feeling he is one of the better but more patience is required with him. They throw out horses half cut most the time in maidens so that for me is another good sign that he isn't being entered up with Dozens of others.

Galileo-Danehill cross. Enough said in reality should be on everyone's list with a brain.

Another thing I look at but its quite objective is where they are entered up. For instance Mars is Dundalk, I don't care how good he is that is a piss poor maiden for me I look  Curragh/Leapardstown/Naas or even Gowran Maidens in recent years. Usually are strong and I like to see plenty of other big stables represented.

Now people will say ah sure Camelot he won a 4 runner maiden at Leapardstown and you put him up last year but of course then you look at the horse with your eye, the way he is ridden, how tenderly he is ridden etc so only race course can validated your view and of course the makeup, his scope his arse his tempremant. How many handlers are with him and of course the most important part his name.

DEI

Another thing I look at but its quite objective is where they are entered up. For instance Mars is Dundalk, I don't care how good he is that is a piss poor maiden for me I look  Curragh/Leapardstown/Naas or even Gowran Maidens in recent years. Usually are strong and I like to see plenty of other big stables represented.

Ruby,Normally id be with you 100% on that one,But surely you must realise that ground conditions around ireland and the uk for that matter are atrocious at this moment in time,probably the wettest summer we have had in quite some time id say,Mars has also been withdrawn two or three times in recent weeks because of the ground,The all weather at Dundalk provides trainers with a great opportunity to run their baby's on a decent surface without giving them too hard a race or too bad an experience that running them on heavy ground would no doubt do,

Also,Dundalk weekday meetings are few and far between,Have these been added because of the awful summer were currently having?id have thought they were.

OntheSnaff i perfectly accept that and the norm continues to change and evolve in the world we live in.

However I have yet to see a Dundalk Winner of AOB prove a Group 1 horse. Rememeber Ernst Heminghway only this year? or that Watchman Filly who has in fairness proved a right good horse but for Ballydoyle I do not trust until i see solid evidence.

Another thing OTS, why was Mars Ridden the way he was on a sound surface, If I remember correctly all the potential from that stable from behind, Tenderly ridden hands and heels teach the horse to be within runner to settle etc. and quicken. Piece of work is what AIDAN LOVES TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT

Camelot ridden from in behind the pace. I guarntee you that Dei will not be ridden like Mars(but that is only my Opinion) something to bear in mind!. Noting concrete mind you as many love to shoot down my theories etc and argue with little nuances i say but I LOVE
to see my horse(my pick for the year) ridden with confidence like Camelot. You could tell how good he was the way they thought him last year, Mars didnt learn much today bar that he is a good animal but how good?. Camelot for me was the star last year the twinkle in my eye all from being at that sunny Thursday evening.

Its all about gut, he is my gut. We have to wait and see

The fact that he was entered in Newmarket (again this might be ground related) is off putting.

Not many real stars go to England first time. Only Stravinsky springs to mind as a top class horse that debuted in England.

Even small things. Who bred the horse??

Commonwealth?? who are Commonwealth from my knowledge a Coolmore Holding Company. Why has the mare Last Love simply been off the radar? I don't remember anything by her so far.

Who bought yearling from the Dam's DAM DAM Rose Red back in the Celtic Tiger days? Well it was only Mr Maginer 240,000 for Charles O Brien, never ran, Rose Pompadour useless by Mr David Watchman

Summer Flight from the Dams Dam Summerosa who bought her? Mr John Magnier in training with the Sangster family with John Gosden. The dam Last Love bought by once again Mr John Magnier and in training with Aidan O Brien.

Kept at Coolmore in Ireland for this long at 11 years of age despite never even having a runner on the course, and having one foal by Fusachi Pegasus that made 300k. Why did it make 300k with such a average page race wise? Produced good stock, good walker and scopey type I would imagine.

So is it likely that Dei is a good walker? a good stock? My guess is yes but its a educated guess

Good point ruby,But the only thing id say regarding how or why he made all today is possibly because he was drawn very wide,But i take your point,Wouldn't imagine Mars would have learned much having done it from the front,i'd be very wary in backing him for the Derby tbh,Far too early to determine if he's anywhere near good enough,

i'm sure aidan has one or two better 2 yo's in his yard,as i said earlier,i liked how The Ferryman shaped up,No idea if he's good enough to win a Derby but im pretty sure he will be a Group 1 horse in the not too distant future.

What did you make of "The United States" recent debut ruby?

Now the Ferryman was a very interesting runner and a very well named horse IMO as i did frequent that pub a lot during my student days for a late night tipple. It got what i call the Seamie special, buried mid pack, very keen, no interest in getting him to settle per say as to get him running within horses. Then look what happens let the winner get first run 4-5l ahead of him at Dundalk of all courses is very hard to make back. Not touched the whip, the the Chicken Elbows job all the way home pushing him up and out not driving him, prob due to his greeeness. Stays on past beaten horses and the boys with the notebooks are out. Better type of Galileo, bigger for me. Mars doesnt look scopey, The Ferryman has plenty of scope for me eye.

Well what was the point in that many will argue. Money was down on Mars, best horse won on the day but The Ferryman given a lovely ride as they call it down at Fethard. Should absoutlely bolt up in a maiden next time. Galway 7f Maiden up with the pace, reach for that uphill ground and wins 5l for me.

With The United States another well named horse, Jesus they are doing well this year. Didn't see the race but won on debut, related to fire lily..... half brother. Looks good but screams a Cape Blanco type. An grinder, he is also the spitting image of him to boot. One to head to France possibly next year to grind out a few Group 1's from the front. They have to have a few sexier than him.

Another interesting point will be the betting on The Ferryman at Galway. With Weld likely to have a fav early Morning, late evening AOB will be smashed up. Be a typical money on at all prices job.

Theatre nobody is mentioning, I thought he put up the best performance so far of all Coolmore's Juveniles. Plenty of scope with him.

Very well said ruby,agree with all of that,The united states had to battle for his win,Be interesting to see how that form works out,As himself and the oxx horse pulled well clear of the remainder.

What a brilliant thread -a feast of factual well-informed presentation .

a very good thread lads..

thanks wr.

ilwab..i left a message over on the other thread for you....

The Ferryman runs 2moro.

I will eat my hat if he doesn't hack up.

i hope someone pays him...

ya ruby  would have been an easy winner if the wonder horse had stay at home...but hang on to your hat m8 theres rain f/cast.

leitir mor will be a hard one to beat?

or maybe another 2nd placing and then galway!?!?

Wd Lads ,Stablemate one to follow again

i availed of the 6/4 on bf at the off..

I managed to lay leitir mor last nite at 2.2,with a165% overound and got stuck in at the 6/4 aswell

Well done Ruby.

Looked the best horse at Dundalk under a very considerate ride and looked very good today despite being very green.

great call ruby.when you are that confident and share it on here you are leaving yourself open to the knockers..

Nobody could knock him whatever the result given the detail which he went into on this thread.

That effort deserves its rewards as opposed to about turns after the race.

Glad THAT YOUR HAT IS STILL INTACTED  RUBY.. MAKES MARS “performance ALL THE BETTER. Nice run by the 2nd also.

Doesn't necessarily make Mars run look that much better as this was the horse that was ridden in a manner that could not result in a win and one that looked like he would progress a lot. Based on today he still has loads of improvement in him. The dam side is all about speed and he looks like 1m will be his limit.

However as you say at least the Mars from has been franked straight away.

I Don't like either of them and am not sure why,doubt if either will be top of the pecking order come end of season.

2 decent horses but well down the pecking order.........Some of the smarter ones are on the easy list at the moment due to the ground and will not run this season.......others will be kept for late dundalk meetings.

whos the really smart ones theyve had that have never ran at 2?

Scorpion would be right near the top of that tree?

peeping fawn

LINE DRUMMER who was 2nd to The Ferryman runs in the 5.00 galway tomorrow/ LOOKS A GOOD THINK.

have backed welds blindly here!

lovely

w/d ilwab....you da man....

wd ILWAB......only backed it to place @1.46

id like to pretend i was being shrewd but as far as i was concerned it was a 2 horse race and i welds ran like it was wrong last time.  juicy odds to v the fav

Few of the better types in as Naas on Monday

Hi ruby,any names we should keep an eye on?

North Dakota, Leading Light and Everglades Island.

Leading Light the pick

Leading Light runs today Woops.

Interesting to see how he gets on

ND and LL don't look up to much.

i'd say they were both disappointing ruby...i liked the way nd went to post ...but that all , pushing it from an early stage , ll looked to carry its head a little high for my liking as well....

The two at Naas today looked useless judging by there finishing positions, I must stress I have not seen the race.

I still think a few euro's on Leading Light next time on a proper race track with a bit of decent ground he easily win a maiden. The ride was laughable, never was given a chance to win, the horse was clueless didn't have any idea what the game was about and barely lifted his legs 2f from home and completely blew up from my eyes. I don't need to forgive him as no money was on but I certainly think he is a vast improver like his Full Brother Warwick Avenue

Workrider Workrider Workrider. Don't you ever doubt me now.

Hope the rest kept my advice in mind.

Easy Easy game

Woops I got the wrong horse Workrider. It wasnt Leading Light that won today.

HAHAHA SHOCKER. By in my box....MUG!

Took the 9/2 on Leading Light today

Big gamble landed there, never looked like winning bar the line but he won and won cosily in the end.

Dour Dour Stayer

The Ferryman runs in the dewhurst.

Hopefully he will run a very good race