Spoilsports absolute jokers.

No offense but if you wanted more on you should not have shopped the price and waited till the morning when all books have prices. They only put up those prices for one reason and one reason only so people will mark their cards.

Their max liability on the evening before or indeed morning prices is €500 on irish racing.  Been that way for ages. As rocket said above all you are doing is marking their card.

this pathetic mob shouldn't even be allowed to dish out free coffee. practically illegal what they get away with.

Fair enough. Just didnt think it would be a double figure price tomorrow. Certainly dont think he should be.

they bet hammy what he wants

The best thing to do when they start using you to mark thier card for free is to start asking for loads of bets you dont even want,they will refuse and cut the price.I used to have a right laugh doing this with a few firms on the phone and it really p1ssed them off.

Yeah seems the way to go Insideinfo 

Can someone educate me here, please.

Was there a halcyon time back in the old days when bookmakers took whatever bets in whatever size we wanted no matter how shrewd or otherwise the punter?  I can only assume so, because the widely prevalent expectation that they should must have originated somewhere.

Celtic used to take a few hundred each way at decent prices

and we know what happened to them

Itcanbedone , in the "old" days if you knew what you were about you could organise decent money on a horse at a specific price .  Dependent on the firm , floor limits , relationship with the staff , and the race .

Nowadays races are "marked " by "Head Office" , no each way in dead 8 maiden plates  , no BOG other than for singles , and then only if it is a handicap , sometimes no BOG unless the nearest competitor office is BOG , floor limits , etc etc . The offices have virtually no discretion in amounts they are allowed to lay , everything is controlled by the bean counters in Head Office . Ultimately they only want to run FOBT's ( in the north anyway , max 4 per shop , and thats what they have in nearly every shop ) , and get the punters betting on 22 runner handicaps , and virtual racing  , avoiding the races where the punter has a chance by cutting prices --without pushing any prices out . Bean counters .

Went city centre myself today , in an effort to have a decent sized each way double on 2 I fancied would be placed at least ( both were ) .  Thought I would be able to get BOG on the bets , spread over several offices / firms . But they have changed the criteria since I last did a similar bet , could not get any BOG anywhere with any firm on the double  , finished up taking SP on the first horse ( it drifted out and was returned 10/1 instead of early morning 7/1 , and 8/1 the second horse --returned 8/1 ) . 

What is missing from their rationale is that eventutally punters will figure out the score , realise that they have little chance of beating the "system " and a once vibrant industry will grind slowly to a situation where there are fewer and fewer punters , and they will inevitably close their doors .

Doors won't be closed IMO.

The non-racing business has taken off in the last number of years and less chance of a strange result stinging a bookie

Running an arcade does not classify them as bookies .  But I know it suits the bean counters .

Kelly, what's your view on fobt's and the present state of play within Ireland with, for example, Lewins being given a very up-front role in the matter?

Thanks, Kelly.

So in the old days having a sizeable bet was posssible but not straightforward.  Fair enough.

What is missing from their rationale is that eventutally punters will figure out the score , realise that they have little chance of beating the "system " and a once vibrant industry will grind slowly to a situation where there are fewer and fewer punters , and they will inevitably close their doors .

I am not sure I agree with you here.  Take roulette on these FOBT....fairly transparent that the 'system' cannot be beaten on these...and yet they are where the growth is.  So its not as if the punter is a rational animal is it?  Ok its generally a different type of punter from the racing man but a punter none the less.

Gambling will always appeal.  It taps into a need in a % of the population.

Everything is relative,in my idea of the old days there was no morning prices.
Bookmakers want to remove the risk element of the business defeating the purpose of it all,they now all want to be dole recycling offices,open all day and all night waiting for drunks or addicts and hoping some of Irelands burgeoning compensation merchnts stumble their way.

punt with your local indo, he'll snap your hand off for that bullseye and probably make u a cup of tea, simples!!

C u n ts

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http://tipsterform.com

How can a Bookmaker be so afraid that they refuse a £1 bet on a 5/2 Favourite?

Obviously you would get the impression that the Punter being refused even a £1 bet must have won a considerable sum from **** but in this case he has lost over £6000 to them. Read this email thread.



**** Customer Services


Dear xxxxxxxxxx


Further to your query,


As previously advised, this is a trading decision which cannot be overruled as it is final. The trading department reserve the right to refuse all or part of any bet offered.

I can confirm that the deposits and withdrawals on your account are as follows:

Deposits £6,728.06

Withdrawals £498.00


If you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards,

Rachel T

Customer Support Team

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— Original Message —
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Received: 06/01/12 14:31:56 o’clock GMT
To: care
Subject: Re: My account

I am still waiting for an answer to my question below.
I require the following information from you.
1) My total loss on this account.
2) An explanation as to why I am being treated in this manner.

Regards xxxxxxxxx

===============================================================
Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Further to your query,
Further to your query, it appears that the bets on your account are being rejected by automatic risk controls that have been put in place on the market by our trading department. These controls are dependent on the market itself and are not specific to your account.

Unfortunately we are not in a position to override any of these restrictions and we apologise for any inconvenience caused.

If you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards,

Rachel T
Customer Support Team

Our agents are here to help 24/7, 365 days a year. Contact us by email

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— Original Message —
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Received: 18/12/11 17:20:56 o’clock GMT
To: care <
Subject: My account

My account seems to have been virtually closed as I am now only being offered 50p bets after losing a considerable amount of money to your firm.
I require the following information from you.
1) My total loss on this account.
2) An explanation as to why I am being treated in this manner.

Regards
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hmmmm...so the bookmaker have restricted this man from losing even more money.  Why is he upset?  I wonder?

is that hammys letter????

try this...

look for your selected stake on 6 or 7 horses in the race, all on one docket. Then when he/she comes off the phone and says that's ok, say I'll just have the top one please. I may be easily pleased but I enjoy either a) getting the bet on or b) getting them to try and explain why the bet was ok a minute ago but isn't now.

they're complete jokers

Itcanbedone , revisiting this thread .  Morning prices were a feature from long ago , they are not new . The shrewder ( anonymous) punters knew their wherabouts and availed of them ( quietly) .  The bookies who were largely independents with one or several shops watched the money and in a lot of cases picked up the phone and laid off where necessary  , or sent a runner to visit some of the neighbours .

Reference FOBTs , I would ban them outright , should not be in licensed "betting offices " .  Allow them where else you will , but subject to different licensing regime , and taxable ( heavily) as distinct from part of a bookmaking operation .

I trust those in the south with a bit of nous will block them being introduced into your betting shops .

Regarding the rise in interest in the sort of product offered by these machines , recommend a visit to Australia where the "pokies" are a big feature .  Went to a golf club in Brisbane a few years ago , they had a room full of machines ( up to 40 I think ) , and most of them were occupied . Not what a golf club should be about in my book . *ussell *rowe bought a rugby club in OZ some years ago , and threw out the "pokies " according to reports . Fair play to him . Thankfully my golf club here threw the one we had out about 10 years ao in response to requests to do so from the more socially aware members who wanted to protect the few members who were addicted .

Anyone who thinks that betting shops are a growth industry is living in a different world to what I see . The facilities available via home computers , television coverage of multiple sporting events where you can bet in running , make mincemeat of the facilities available in a betting shop nowadays .  Once upon a time betting shops were a big outlet for those who wanted a bet , nowadays Tom , **** , or Harry can bet without restriction on exchanges from the comfort of their favourite armchair .

The chains who bought up shops some years ago (  the biggest paid 2 million plus per shop for 46 shops here a few years ago , crazy --although they do get some of their money back regularly from the FOBT's according to my information ) got it wrong  , and converting shops to other uses is pointless when you walk around most of our cities / towns and view the "to let " notices all over the place .  I can remember the *ilmartins shops in and around Dublin in the sixties  , empty ( tax punitive ) , that scenario may rear its head again , for different reasons obviously .

Tom , Richard , and Harry were 3 tunnels in Stalag Luft 3 .