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06 Feb 12
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Was 5/1 last week but still 4/1 in a place and think he is a decent bet at the price.
I thought he was desperate unlucky last year. He fell in the Dr PJ Moriarity when still holding every chance 2 out, he then fell in the RSA Chase when in the lead and still going well 3 out and was then brought down at Punchestown. Despite these mishaps i actually think he is a good jumper and the 2 wins this season should of done him the world of good and stepping back up in trip should suit too. I honestly believe he could be top class.
As for his opposition:
Synchronised is favourite but will he even run? Even if he does turn up i can't have him ahead of Quel Esprit. He may have won the Lexus and he was mighty impressive in that and is probably improving but how good a race was it? Rubi Light doesn't stay in my opinion and Joncol ran no race. Roberto Goldback, Noland, Follow The Plan, Cooldine and Magnaminity are not good enough either.
That brings us to Quito De La Roque who many believe ran below form in the Lexus. I may have this horse totally wrong but i think he is way overrated and i don't think his form is anything great. I went through his form on the A/P forum so won't do so again but i'd be disappointed if Quel Esprit was not up to beating him.
Jessies Dream has not ran since the RSA so i can't back him, China Rock could be interesting on his best form but the price has gone totally, The Minack is surely not good enough as i'd think Hey Big Spender.
Bostons Angel if he could come back to his best, Jessies horses where running awful earlier in the year but he is closely linked form wise with Quito De La Roque so my comment re Quel Esprit applies to him too.
I believe Quel Esprit will take this en route to a crack at the Cheltenham Gold Cup
I thought he was desperate unlucky last year. He fell in the Dr PJ Moriarity when still holding every chance 2 out, he then fell in the RSA Chase when in the lead and still going well 3 out and was then brought down at Punchestown. Despite these mishaps i actually think he is a good jumper and the 2 wins this season should of done him the world of good and stepping back up in trip should suit too. I honestly believe he could be top class.
As for his opposition:
Synchronised is favourite but will he even run? Even if he does turn up i can't have him ahead of Quel Esprit. He may have won the Lexus and he was mighty impressive in that and is probably improving but how good a race was it? Rubi Light doesn't stay in my opinion and Joncol ran no race. Roberto Goldback, Noland, Follow The Plan, Cooldine and Magnaminity are not good enough either.
That brings us to Quito De La Roque who many believe ran below form in the Lexus. I may have this horse totally wrong but i think he is way overrated and i don't think his form is anything great. I went through his form on the A/P forum so won't do so again but i'd be disappointed if Quel Esprit was not up to beating him.
Jessies Dream has not ran since the RSA so i can't back him, China Rock could be interesting on his best form but the price has gone totally, The Minack is surely not good enough as i'd think Hey Big Spender.
Bostons Angel if he could come back to his best, Jessies horses where running awful earlier in the year but he is closely linked form wise with Quito De La Roque so my comment re Quel Esprit applies to him too.
I believe Quel Esprit will take this en route to a crack at the Cheltenham Gold Cup
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I'd agree with basically everything you've said there so I've nothing to add, backed him a few times last year and hoping to recoup. Even going back to his hurdling days he was a seriously unlucky horse.
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Expect Quito De La Roque to hack up now and prove me wrong now
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Does Townend keep the ride on Sunday? Seems key to this one
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I'd imagine Ruby will get the right Mr. M but i'd be happy either way. Best price 3/1 now
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Synchronised must be a very doubtful runner at this stage. Frank Berry has said that he needs to work well this week as JJ hasnt been happy with him but you would have to wonder how much work they have/can get into him with all the bad weather the UK is being hit with???
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The thing about unlucky horses is they tend to keep being unlucky
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ReimerpYsatnaf and joevalue, the word at Punchestown yesterday was that Synchronised should make the line up.
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Moneypenny well he's won 7 out of his 14 races so i can think of unluckier horses. Nearly 100,000 in prizemoney earned already. Thanks for the info soapp. I'd imagine the info is suspect considering the bookmakers cant seem to give him away at the moment. Interesting to see what way it pans out. I'm firmly in the Q E camp for what it's worth. Very dissapointed with Q D L R last time out and i, as with many others it seems were over rating him. I backed QE to beat Q D L R in Punchestown last year because i think he is a better horse and have seen nothing since to waver from that view.
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Excellent stuff Reim,agree with all of that,Quel Esprit is a proper G1 horse,no doubt about it,i actually like him for the GC,
last season was disappointing,but only because he kept hitting the deck,anytime he's completed he's always been impressive, Cant be having Sychronised as Fav,think he was totally flattered winning the Lexus,few ran well below form and some didnt stay as already pointed out,ill go out on a limb here and say he'll never win another Grade 1, Looks like they've sorted out Quel Esprit's jumping this season and were gonna see what hes really made of |
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Would really fancy Quito if the ground was testing. I think a combination of a below far performance and ground too quick led to his last run. Would not be writing him off on the basis of one bad run. Ground the key .
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I'm be no means writing Quito off on the basis of one bad run. I don't think any of his form is tthat good really, i could end up with massive egg on my face come Sunday and if i do i do but i'll give my opinion and i'm not one for sitting on the fence. This is what i put on A/P forum the other day:
ReimerpYsatnaf 04 Feb 12 14:51 Is it just me that thinks he is overrated?? Looking at his form i don't see what is so good about i. At Down Royal he only just beat non staying Sizing Europe and The Nightingale. At Punchestown he beat Western Charmer 14L and Head On The Posse easy, however he should be doing so if he is a grade 1 horse. Quel Esprit was brought down, Mr Thriller fell, Kakagh unseated, Loosen My Load ran no race and Reve De Sivola was hampered 4 out and is only a handicapper anyway. At Aintree he beat Sarando a NK, then Golan Way, Wayward Prince and Radium . Master Of The Hall and The Giant Bolster fell, Robinso Collognes unseated. At Leopardstown he was beaten 1/2L by Bostons Angel who went on to win the RSA Chase. On the face of it looks a decent run but is the form of the RSA Chase any good?? Western Charmer was only 1 1/2L behind that day with TheGreatJohnBrowne next who ran free, jumped out to the right and fell in a hole over the last. Chigaco Grey was further back who never got into it and made a mistake 4 or 5 out. At Naas he destroyed Western Charmer when Royal De La Thinthe fell at the last when looking tired and then at Navan beat Royal De La Thinthe 4L. I could be totally wrong about him (have been many times before ) but i don't think his form is that great and i'd be absolutely shocked if he figured in the Gold Cup. As for Leopardstown i think Quel Esprit will take all the beating. |
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Does QE deserve to be fav?? I dont think so personally
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He wasn't fav when i backed him although i still think he will go off shorter than the price on offer
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id rather back Quel than Synchronised,thats for sure
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The only thing stopping me backing him is everytime for one reason or another at grade 1 level he hasnt won. As you say though he is actually a good jumper, maybe just a bit brave at times. It looks a poor enough race all the same. Best of luck anyway.
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good write up premier think il have some of that
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Think people are making this race too complicated. Synchronised should be 6/4. If he runs, he's a bet. **** the vibes. How is 4s I don't know. Beat QDLR 11ls LTO, no excuses for that one and his yard are gone quiet. The handicapper has the Mullins horse at 150 and that looks spot on so has a stone to find.
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Hennessy Gold Cup (Grade 1) €92,000.00
11u3- 1 Bostons Angel(152) -4p-4 2 China Rock(154) 316-2 3 Follow The Plan(152) 1-22- 4 Jessies Dream(151) 1248- 5 Magnanimity(150) ff1-1 6 Quel Esprit (FR)(150) 1113- 7 Quito De La Roque (FR)(163) 394-3 8 Roberto Goldback(152) p731- 9 Synchronised 5142- 10 Treacle(132) |
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GOING REPORT for SUNDAY 12th FEBRUARY 2012 (Hennessy Gold Cup Meeting)
Issued at 10:30am on Tuesday 7th February 2012. GOING: Ground is currently YIELDING to SOFT on all tracks. FORECAST: Mainly dry for the week with chance of rain on Wednesday |
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lays of the year at 3s?..for what it has achieved at least.
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Quel Esprit what decent horse has it beaten over fences to be so short?
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Boston's Angel for me. Very highly thought of in the yard. Plenty of potential for improvement, and stable back in form as well.
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QE into 5/2 now, value is gone at that price (unless it hoses up
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Very hard to see why Quel Esprit is favourite given his form - Definitely a progressive horse but Quito De La Roque deserves to be fav and more than likely will be come race time!
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What form warrants Quito De La Roque to be favourite?? He was absolutely stuffed by Synchronised in the Lexus, absolutely no excuses. People may point to Down Royal but all he beat was 2 non stayers, the form of his wins last season as a novice amount to zilch form wise in my opinion as i've gone through above. I really don't see where the love for Quito De La Roque comes from? With Jessies horses running better now why should Quito beat Bostons Angel?
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QDLR has won two Grade 1's and has just one poor run to his name, which probably wasn't that bad even tho he wasn't at his best imo. Bostons form doesn't hold up at all and the runners from last year's RSA proves that. I believe QDLR wasn't right the last day and we'll see him back to his best on Sunday!
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I take the point what has Quel Esprit beaten. He beat Torphican as you'd expect him too over 2m 3f, Foildubh over the same trip and Whatdoyouthink over 1f shorter. However it's the races he didn't win over fences that has led me to believe he is potentially very good. He was still going well in the Dr. P. J Moriarity when coming down 2 out and i believe he would of won the race which Bostons Angel ended up winning after being ridden from 2 out. In the RSA Chase i thought he jumped lovely and was going as well as anything when coming down 3 out and then Punchestown was just plain bad luck when he was 7/4 fav.
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What about last years 3m novice chase at Leopardstown when Bostons Angel beat Quito De La Roque?
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I do think Quel Esprit has a touch of class about him but then I think of the novice chase at Punchestown, where he failed to complete and Quito won. I don't think he would have got near Quito that day, who travelled well and powered clear in the straight. If Davy had sent him on earlier he'd have won by further. Quito's been below par this season in my opinion, although many obviously disagree and take the view that that's as good as he is. First time out he was horrendously unfit imo, while last time he found zilch of the bridle - I think even his biggest knockers can agree that that's not the Quito way. I really hope he can rediscover the form he was in last spring, when I feel he would have hacked up in the RSA had they sent him over.
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He was brought down at Punchestown way too early to say what would of happened. The race fell apart and i don't think the form is anything special.
At Punchestown he beat Western Charmer 14L and Head On The Posse easy, however he should be doing so if he is a grade 1 horse. Quel Esprit was brought down, Mr Thriller fell, Kakagh unseated, Loosen My Load ran no race and Reve De Sivola was hampered 4 out and is only a handicapper anyway. Last time you can say he found zilch but i feel he could not quicken at all off what seemed a moderate enough pace to me. Time will tell whether i'm right or wrong but i don't think he is anything out of the ordinary. |
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I think Quito is a much better horse than he was this time last year but Sunday will tell. Couldn't back Bostons and I think its a negative rather than a positive that he wears headgear on Sunday. Just my opinion!
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Some of us will be proved right and some wrong i suppose, good to argue our cases though (good natured obviously)
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The good natured ones are the best
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China Rock 25/1 ew AP
QDLR 4/1 ew AP My 2 plays fwiw |
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Looking forward to this w-end if Newbury on as well,muddied waters may be clearer reference the novice division for a good few. Also if my 40/1 e/w Quito vouchers can go on bonfire, backed him also 16/1 e/w w/out big 2.
Hopefully will step up Sunday, otherwise not worth boat fare to travel in March. |
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Jessies Dream now a NR
Still hasn't rained yet today although it has threatened too and still does |
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Quito De La Roque is ground dependant,slow and can`t run across the water so Sunday is his main target but still think he won`t win.
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Why cant he run across the water?
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The ludicrous new whip rules make him a time bomb for a jockey.
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