|
By:
I'm old enough to have seen Arkle live ( on tv). I think I'm form literate enough to interpret his record.
There has been nothing like Arkle since. |
|
By:
The book "Arkle" by Ivor Herbert is without doubt the best racing book Ive ever read. well worth a read for anyone over the festive period.
|
|
By:
v nice wildman!
the greatest ever without a doubt! |
|
By:
To think that Phil Smith try to de-value Arkle.
My god Phil Smith should be charged with Heresy..a horrible cretin of a man. |
|
By:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSr-pczh_0E&feature=related
Even Worse is that they try to say Master Minded is better than Flying Bolt. Heresy i tell ya!!!!!!!! |
|
By:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXRx8wl_Tpk
What a day this was....Look at Fairyhouse. Beautiful |
|
By:
First time I saw Akle run was at Leopardstown , think it was the Christmas meeting . Hacked up , by 8 lengths in a novice chase . One of the ( idiot) English newspaper pundits reported the race criticising Pat Taafe for his ride in the race . Only time I ever wrote to a newspaper to complain .
He replied but was unrepentant , well he would be wouldn't he , not given to apology . Still have the reply somewhere buried in the attic . Might put it on e-bay sometime for charity ! |
|
By:
Flyingbolt gave 40lb+ to 2 horses in 2nd and third.
This is just incredible, i can't even comprehend that. Denman ran off top weight but to give 3 stone!!!. Those glory days imo will never be relived. Wow, granddad despite living in a much more poorer time economic wise sure had some days at Festival and Leapardstown that I will never have. |
|
By:
phil smith is a cretin!! dying to give uk horses ridiculous ratings whilst trying to devalue our lads, i honestly think that!!
sts wouldve been rated higher if he was british imo!! even the timeform lads, i remember listening to ben hutton on tf radio talking out of his a rse about how they actually rate frankel 2 and a HALF pounds for every length because they take other factors in to consideration, he didnt mention the factors! they may try devalue arkle but they will never succeed, the greatest! |
|
By:
I'm afeter more than afew jars and not old enough to have an oppinion but a lovely piece wildman, i'm reading it for the second time and I feel it captures to an extent the scale of what he was which is apt given the week that is in it. Good luck Denman, some gear for one gear and the best to ever come out of Liscaroll, I was probablydoing homework............
![]() |
|
By:
Great post wildman.
I was lucky enough to be left Arkle by Ivor Herbert by my grandad. I used to love listening to the stories he would tell me about "himself". Was reading on the main forum some guys stating they felt Kauto Star was better than Arkle and just had to laugh. Quite simply there will never be another like him. Would have loved to have seen him run . |
|
By:
On the Acts Of Bravery thread I placed Arkles last race top,I was somewhat taken aback by the reaction of two posters,Rocketfingers and Bassanio,they thought it cruel but I felt maybe through youth in Bassanios case they didn't get the way Arkle was adored here.
This post is too long for Rocketfingers but hope Bassanio likes it. |
|
By:
"Perhaps there will be another like him one day,but those like me who saw Arkle in his prime will believe that only when we see it."
There was another like him and he was around at the same time, as ruby points out. I cannot believe how little we hear of the Flyingbolt, for me the greatest chaser of all time. Couldn't make it into the RP's Top 100 though ![]() |
|
By:
explain why flyingbolt was better than arkle?theres no evidence as far a si know?agreed he was a great horse.but better than arkle?not in the rp100 was an oversight i feel?prob a rushed thing and they forgot him..
|
|
By:
every possibility that flyinbolt was as good as arkle, nothing in their respective ratings at one stage
|
|
By:
Wildman nice copy and paste job, but that piece appeared in a paper in Ireland last marcch i'm pretty certain of.
|
|
By:
Have you ever got anything right,so you are pretty certain it was in a paper last March,if that is the case it was lifted from here as i wrote this last year.
Your low attention span and inability to read long posts has made you a laughing stock yet again. |
|
By:
Probably March 2011 so. Come admit it you've been caught out so many times it's unreal. I'm pretty sure i know the author of that as well. He'd know his way round the weighrom hint hint.
|
|
By:
Sorry kavvie for only coming back to this now. Flyingbolt's versatility set him apart and he put up similar weight carrying performances as Arkle, giving a lot of the same horses bigger beatings. He finished third in a Champion hurdle the day after hacking up in the Champion Chase and later that season he carried 12 7 to victory in the Irish National giving the second horse 40lbs.
"For all Arkle's brilliance, I felt Flyingbolt was the better horse. If Pat Taaffe was alive, he'd tell you the same." Jim Dreaper. |
|
By:
Saw them both many times on TV , once in the flesh .
Have to put Arkle ahead of Flyingbolt , but they are 1 and 2 of all time in my book . Attempts to put more recent animals ahead of them are understandable , its bums on seats basically . There have been lots of brilliant younger horses particularly , flashed across our screens , but to be the best you have to be around for a good period and continually beat the others comprehensively . Fulke Walwyn , who trained Mill House ( brilliant until Arkle broke his heart ) thought Mill House would never be beaten , and Walwyn had a parade of top class NH horses though his hands . Flyinbolt was speedier than Arkle , hence his ability to compete at Champion Hurdle level , but he also stayed , ref his Irish Grand National win , a stunning performance . And he never looked likely to lose any chase he ran in . Arkle just murdered everything that ran against him . His performance in the Gallaher Gold Cup( now the Whitbread as cigs are non pc ) at Sandown was akin to Secretariats performance in the last of his Triple Crown races . Secretariat won by 30 lengths in a time that has not been even approached since 1974 , likewise Arkles time was astonishing , broke the track record by 27 seconds as I recall . Both horses just seemed to keep going faster throughout their respective races . Denman and Kauto have been recent stellar performers , but they have left impressions that their ability was mortal . Arkle and Flyingbolt did not leave that legacy , immortality was more their metier . |
|
By:
It is almost impossible in an unbiased manner to compare horses of different eras. To me, and I remember both Arkle and Flyingbolt, Arkle will always be the greatest racehorse/ horse ever, however, an acquaintance of mine swears that he wouldn't hold a candle to Cottage Rake and some of the younger generation will argue in favour of Desert Orchid who in my opinion wouldn't even come into the reckoning.
Kelly; "Flyinbolt was speedier than Arkle , hence his ability to compete at Champion Hurdle level , but he also stayed , ref his Irish Grand National win , a stunning performance . And he never looked likely to lose any chase he ran in", I am open to correction here but I think Arkle won an Irish Caesarwitch. |
|
By:
Cottage Rake was a good chaser , versatile too . But he was not in the same category as Arkle or Flyingbolt in my book , particularly in respect of the opposition he faced . Good animal though .
Not sure about Arkle winning an Irish Cesarawitch , but its over 2 miles on the flat , so speed not an issue . |
|
By:
Arkle never won a Cesarewitch,he did however win the only flat race he ever contested,a mile six furlong maiden when ridden by T P Burns.
Strangely enough a horse both Arkle and Flyingbolt were constantly beating did,Height O,Fashion another chaser Jack OF Trumps also won the Cesarewitch . |
|
By:
Thank you for your correction was aware he won on the flat confused the race
|
|
By:
Cottage Rake won an Irish Cesarewitch , and a mile and a half race ( Naas November handicap ) . Had a burst of speed . Trained by the Master , Michael Vincent , he was one of the 3 or 4 "core" horses that put Vincent on the map.He won his first race at Limerick on St Stephens day 1945 at 10/1 . Guess the bookies etc had no idea of what was lurking in their midst .
But Cottage Rake could not carry big weights and beat others the way Arkle and Flyingbolt could , despite 3 Gold Cups , reckon he and Best Mate share equal posterity . |