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Same old same old,gold cup winner,likened it to Denman.Not worth 2 shillings of course the same as 99% of them big slow heaps of rubbish.The pointers to follow on the Gigginstown thread are a motley bunch,bar make your mark,not a horse among the rest of them combined.
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How much did you lose? Nicholls said in his stable tour they will only be filling in this year over hurdles.
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123 winners from points on the track in the month of November including ten or so graded winners. I always say give them a year in England and see what they have done at the end of the season. I remember someone saying on here a few years ago after one run in a bumper that Mr. Cracker was useless like most of them p2p winners. He has turned out to be one of the very few horses to win back what he cost and a fair chunk if not all of his training fee's.
Nicholls ain't too worried about a little novice hurdle in Hereford either. |
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Ya he aint too worried about a little hurdle in hereford,and if he wasnt as slow as a boat he wouldnt have even been brought there in the first place,let alone be 4/1 in a race where he was receiving 7lb from winners.I dont know what they conned the poor guy that owns it for but you can guarantee he's scratching his head tonight.
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If you had the owners money you'd burn your own. Don't worry yourself with feeling sorry for them.
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I am not worried in the slightest allduckornodinner,i think its rather funny that big businessmen can be so gullible to be conned by the typical pointing half bred(thats the vendor).I dont see too many people bringing up the thread saying that this thing was the next Denman either,just the usual hugely wild claims and for the one in 50 times they are actually right,the other 49 get consigned to the bin.
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Declan Phelan mentioned Denman comparisons (mainly due to the fact that they were both hobdayed and were going to ditcheat) but in fairness he is liable for exaggeration. The horse was very impressive in his win and I have little doubt that he will make up into a good chaser in time. More than a few nicholls ex pointers have taken a season to settle in over there before showing improved form in the past.
Theres only one Gold Cup winner every year so obviously they can't all make the grade but people (particularly on here) are always quick to knock horses. A forumite that you would be familiar with was cribbing about JP wasting money on Formidableopponent after his debut when a blind man could see that he'd improve for the run. How good he'll be I don't know but he's certainly gone the right way since. Same fella was laughing at the thought that Ger Hourigan gave a strong recommendation for a horse that was subsequently bought by Giggy after winning in Lisronagh. What would he have to know what a good horse was? Same horse won his bumper on debut by 15 lengths. |
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I scratch my head with these pointers
Dramatic Duke - Looked a machine when it won, comes out in a weak looking huntingdon bumper and well stuffed Brindisi Breeze - looked the good thing of all good things in Musselburgh...desperate and I mean desperate looking race and still beaten The best though.....Anyone remember a mare called River Shanakill, sold for a huge sum to Wylies....never ever sighted.... ever like. That was surely the dud-est purchase of all time!! |
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Looking coldly at the available evidence suggests this horse had a lot to prove today:
Beaten by the subsequently disappointing Drawn N Drank on debut Form of his winning maiden very poor Two half-sisters never ran and 2007 gelding by Alderbrook (Dunraven Prince) has been disappointing Costello was measured enough in his post-race assessment at Dromahane Signals from Nicholls weren't promising Plenty of reasons to avoid him today and into the future but as to why the glee on his demise today......that escapes me |
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Avenging Ace was disappointing too last Sunday. A lot of these pointers need time to settle into their new surroundings. Big change going from small yards here to 100 plus box yards in England. Different regimes and such. Over the years plenty haven't trained on as they were pushed too hard and didn't settle in. Then of course you have the fact that many of them were trained to the minute for their maiden and wouldn't be much cop.
Suprised Brinsdi Breeze didn't win though it was a **** of a race from what I heard. Will reserve judgement til I see him over hurdles. Was disappointed Dramatic Duke didn't win as I though he was a moral and punted accordingly. Assumed Jonjo had him sent off he'd head already given his pre-race antics given that he'd break iron. He's entered up again there lately so I would be hoping for some improvement. Final Gift was lockjawed on his debut FW and won well nto. Despite not beating anything of note it was the manner of his victory that impressed. He showed plenty of quality and I still maintain that he'll make up into a decent horse in time. |
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Yeah to be fair Final Gift will come into his over fences in time, I wouldnt be unduly worried after today
You make a good point there...some of these boys that have these horses are very good operators, not a lot left to work on when they move on.... What did you make of the sale of Better Than Conan Duck? Overpriced? |
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Disappointed DD didn't win at Huntingdon - was there that day and he looked plenty fit enough though not the biggest.
As for people spending tons of money - they have it to spend so why not, there are bargains to be had out there and also people getting stitched up. The value is probably gone from most Irish pointers now and the English ones will be where the value is - problem with the latter though is people won't sell for tuppence and they want the Irish prices for them. Jessica Westwood had a nice enough Maiden winner last season over here - looked a useful horse if a little too big if that's possible, went to the sales after his Maiden win and made 30kish which on what he'd done I'd have snapped up in a flash before being beaten in a winners race and running third to a horse now with Paul Nicholls and another youngster when conceding weight. Sadly broke down in that race but there'll be others out there - Restless Harry started out in UK points whilst there have been a few useful horses come out of last years Maiden's - Hazy Tom and Harry The Viking for example. |
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Plenty of these never live up to their potential or hype.
Looking at the form of The Begrudger now, it is hard to believe that he was hailed as a top class horse when he arrived at Ditcheat. |
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To be fair now plenty of expensive french horses, horses off the flat have never made it either...
Still probably balances it out in favour of Irish pointers imo |
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BW I didn't hear what he made. Whatever it was anyway it was probably too much. Wouldn't be a great fan of it.
I was in Dromahane that day it made it's debut and I thought Moyalif had it well in it's pocket. Hydes had to do all the donkey work and i'd forgive it for getting a little tired towards the end but still boxed on well to fend off Better Than Conan. Judging by the market support for the second horse he was obviously shown plenty at home but I wouldn't personally have been all that taken with him. There were some useful performances in Boulta this weekend with at least one horse that will make well into the six figures at the Brightwells sale next week. The maidens this weekend should also produce a few wild cards for said sale. |
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Tom Keatings looked real good. Could have went around again, interesting to watch him from here
Conan made in and around 65 |
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Keatings could have been bought for 60 last season (though that looked plenty at the time). Was very impressive even if he was also on the shop window and his horses don't often lack for fitness. Will make a fortune anyway. Hattrick Harry and Bowes Pierre winner looked decent too though the latter will probably be knocked for the sire.
Thats a grand twist for him anyway from what I can see. Wouldn't like to have liked to have been landed with him for that money anyway. |
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112 of the winners in the last 27 days - that ran in Irish Point To Points by Anaglogs Daughter's 27 Nov 11 20:56
104 UP TO YESTERDAY and 8 today Nov-11 112 - (previous best Apr-10 was 100) here's the 104 up to yesterday DATE HORSE 1 01/11/2011 ALLTHEKINGSHORSES (IRE) 2 02/11/2011 KNOCK A HAND (IRE) 3 02/11/2011 SCHUMPTERS LAD (IRE) 4 03/11/2011 BALLYCOLIN (GB) 5 03/11/2011 NOBLE WITNESS (IRE) 6 03/11/2011 MOUNT BENBULBEN (IRE) 7 03/11/2011 ST KILLIAN'S RUN (IRE) 8 03/11/2011 JONCOL (IRE) 9 03/11/2011 RUBERT (IRE) 10 03/11/2011 CORBALLY GHOST (IRE) 11 04/11/2011 IPSOS DU BERLAIS (FR) 12 04/11/2011 FOUR COMMANDERS (IRE) 13 04/11/2011 FINANCIAL CLIMATE (IRE) 14 05/11/2011 QUITO DE LA ROQUE (FR) 15 05/11/2011 SELECTION BOX 16 05/11/2011 LEGGY LAD 17 05/11/2011 MONKSLAND 18 05/11/2011 ROWDY ROCHER 19 05/11/2011 THE MINACK 20 06/11/2011 SWORD OF DESTINY 21 06/11/2011 FIRST LIEUTENANT 22 06/11/2011 MISS KALIFA 23 07/11/2011 YOU KNOW YOURSELF 24 07/11/2011 SYDNEY PAGET 25 07/11/2011 BAY CENTRAL 26 07/11/2011 KHORUN (GER) 27 07/11/2011 OSCAR PRAIRIE 28 08/11/2011 ROSSBRIN (IRE) 29 09/11/2011 PEDDLERS CROSS (IRE) 30 09/11/2011 THE KNOXS (IRE) 31 09/11/2011 HIGHLAND LODGE (IRE) 32 10/11/2011 TRANQUIL SEA (IRE) 33 10/11/2011 OUT NOW (IRE) 34 10/11/2011 ITS THE ICE I LIKE (IRE) 35 10/11/2011 FORGOTTEN GOLD (IRE) 36 11/11/2011 LOCKSTOWN (GB) 37 11/11/2011 IFANDBUTWHYNOT (IRE) 38 12/11/2011 GREAT ENDEAVOUR 39 12/11/2011 JOIN TOGETHER 40 12/11/2011 QUEL ESPRIT (FR) 41 12/11/2011 LAMBRO 42 12/11/2011 ONE IN A MILAN 43 12/11/2011 NATIVE GALLERY 44 12/11/2011 BAR DE LIGNE (FR) 45 12/11/2011 COURT RED HANDED 46 12/11/2011 WESTON LODGE 47 13/11/2011 AL FEROF (FR) 48 13/11/2011 RANGITOTO 49 13/11/2011 HIGH OSCAR (GB) 50 13/11/2011 WHATWILLWECALLHER 51 13/11/2011 BOSTON BOB 52 13/11/2011 FORMIDABLEOPPONENT 53 14/11/2011 MASTER MILAN 54 14/11/2011 SHERNAZ 55 14/11/2011 WINGS OF ICARUS 56 14/11/2011 TELL DAWSTOWN 57 14/11/2011 ROSSA PARKS 58 14/11/2011 REALLY UNIQUE 59 14/11/2011 HIDDEN PRESENT 60 14/11/2011 ROCKYABOYA 61 14/11/2011 BIG JEMMY 62 16/11/2011 OUTLAW TOM (IRE) 63 17/11/2011 INVICTUS (IRE) 64 17/11/2011 ALPHA WAY (GER) 65 17/11/2011 CARPINCHO (FR) 66 17/11/2011 O CROTAIGH (IRE) 67 17/11/2011 ROLLING ACES (IRE) 68 18/11/2011 SIMONSIG (GB) 69 18/11/2011 BROADBACKBOB (IRE) 70 18/11/2011 MR MOONSHINE (IRE) 71 19/11/2011 CAPPA BLEU 72 19/11/2011 SCOTSIRISH 73 19/11/2011 CORBALLY GHOST 74 20/11/2011 OLD WIGMORE 75 20/11/2011 DAYS HOTEL 76 20/11/2011 LAST INSTALMENT 77 20/11/2011 DEDIGOUT 78 20/11/2011 MAKE YOUR MARK 79 21/11/2011 REV IT UP 80 21/11/2011 CHABLAIS (FR) 81 21/11/2011 MOSSLEY 82 21/11/2011 FOXBRIDGE 83 22/11/2011 Bound For Glory 84 22/11/2011 Trustan Times 85 22/11/2011 Same Difference 86 22/11/2011 Monbeg Dude 87 23/11/2011 FINANCIAL CLIMATE (IRE) 88 23/11/2011 Hold Court 89 23/11/2011 Fists Of Fury 90 23/11/2011 Ballysteen 91 23/11/2011 Daring Article 92 24/11/2011 French Ties 93 24/11/2011 Apt Approach 94 25/11/2011 Beneficial Reform 95 26/11/2011 PEDDLERS CROSS (IRE) 96 26/11/2011 SYDNEY PAGET 97 26/11/2011 Roalco De Farges 98 26/11/2011 Lackamon 99 26/11/2011 On Trend 100 26/11/2011 Lovcen 101 26/11/2011 Valley View 102 26/11/2011 Micks 103 26/11/2011 Call The Police 104 26/11/2011 Cloughmile |
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im sure mick o leary(worth600m/800m?)is very upset with people on here saying he hasnt a clue!!..the man is clued into everything he does im sure..i dont like him but u gotta admire him
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Never once have I said he hasn't a clue,it's the people that go to these things regularly that don't have a clue,continually eulogising about rubbish horses .Considering the amount of nags that run at these things,the amount of winners is fairly meagre to say the least.Sunday after Sunday there is about 40 races run with about half a dozen so called Cheltenham winners unearthed.Phelan's list of pointers to follow sums up the typical pointing man,one possibly correct spot out of about a dozen attempts.
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robo 30 Nov 11 18:05 i think its rather funny that big businessmen can be so gullible to be conned by the typical pointing half bred(thats the vendor).
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OnTheSnaff 21 Oct 11 16:40
Re: Final Gift.......... "A hobdayed five year old and easy winner of a maiden-sounds like Denman-and yes he could be another Denman and possibly the last star [u]the late Tom Costello purchased prior to his passing[/u] from this world. Dromahane is the number one point track in Ireland, hosting up to six meets a year. I have not witnessed an easier winner of a maiden than this fellow when successful in April: he slammed a maximum field without breaking sweat. Nicholls has stocked heavy for the new season with irish pointers-this bay is the one to note as the potential Gold Cup horse amongst them. A beautiful mover,good-good to soft will suit him best and that old cliché applies to him "anything he does over hurdles will be a bonus" because when he starts his chasing career,the sky is the limit." - Irish point expert Declan Phelan. THIS THREAD COULD YET TURN OUT TO BE - 'one of the CLASSICS' ! |
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Yes Declan has all the cliches,gold cup horse,anything achieved over hurdles a bonus,sure fire park winner,plus many more.
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Its been a bad few days for Mincer/Robo caught out again.
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Caught out again doing what exactly?,mincer has nothing to do with me by the way .
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Rocketfingers is the only one here who could possibly believe that.
Scoobyknows explained to you on another thread about profiling but that isin`t even necessary as you are incapable of even a minor disguise,you may as well bring back the horse as it was the best thing about your poisonous posts. |
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You have me completely baffled now wildman,you really are certifiable .According to you everybody that disagrees with you is mincer related.What does "bring back the horse as it was the best thing about your poisonous posts" mean exactly?
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Wildclowns lies have been caught out again and again, Robo & Mincer are obviously to totally different dopes. Why don't you lot leave this forum for the serious punters, owners, trainers, bookmakers and players that come on here to here each others views.
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'hear'
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I have read your posts,you are bitter and twisted but not stupid so i don`t believe you are baffled.
Loads on here disagree with me but they don`t post like you, have the same opinions as you,use the same language as you,use the same syntax as you,use the same similes as you,get caught out as often as you so with the possible exception of Rocketfingers everybody knows you and Mincer are the same and i know you have other carefully preserved sleepers,Dublin Barman,Donegal Publican and Gooch. This fake stupidity doesn`t work well you know what bring back the horse means. |
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Rocketfingers i enjoyed your posts here for ages,my favourite was the one on the Richard Hughes thread saying you wouldn`t run a horse in England again until he was back riding again but your comments about the Muslims not being misogynistic because they don`t allow their women work wins the watch.
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Wildclown why do you think Islam is violent? Why do you think Muslims are misogynists?
The answers elude me. Are there violent Muslims? Yes. Are there misogynistic Muslims? Yes. Are there violent Christians, Jews and atheists? Yes. Are there misogynistic Christians, Jews and atheists? Yes. So why aren't those groups as misunderstood and vilified as Islam? Is the answer that you are racist and have a deep rooted prejudice against my Muslim brothers & Sisters? I fear this may be the case, i want you to think about your answer and choose your words very carefully as my legal team are on standby. |
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why does every thread have to decend into this children?
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What a coward you are,why do you need a legal team?
You are lucky in that through your dealings in the Asian markets you know plenty of Muslims,but you don`t realise that they hate you to them you are the infidel. |
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I like many others who read this will have no idea in the world what bring back the horse means,maybe it's a private joke of yours but it's surely not a universally used phrase .I think you get a little confused every now and then,you seem to have developed an unusual fascination with this mincer character.Surely they can't all be mincers associates that think you are a head banger,it may well be that it's a belief held by many individuals
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Going to give betfair a ring ,the wildman is blasting off about religion now,it's time to give the people with the White coats a call and come and collect him .Not before time I hear most people saying
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There are only 2 people who won`t understand the bring back the horse reference thats you and Rocketfingers but then you are made for each other.
You both occupy a fantasy world, Rocketfingers thinks he is a professional gambler on the Asian markets with loads of clients and a horse owner,Mincer/Robo thinks he went to Trinity college and is 24 years old.There is nothing wrong with your Walter Mitty type existence but don`t think we are stupid enough to believe it. |
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Wildclown can you explain "bring back the horse"? Is it a sequel to those Kerrygold adverts of the 90's?
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I am worried you are not trying, Mincer was phoning Betfair as well.
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