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have been to the races in ireland a couple of times the last few weeks.couple of sunday meetings including the munster national and a few midweek.seems the betting ring has become very quiet.is there much action taking place in irish racing betting rings?any big players coming into the ring?new younger lads even or is the majority of the bigger players working on here?do we have pro punters worth talking about in ireland even
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The last time I was at the track the only big bet I ever saw was Patrick Wilmott but he is a owner/punter. Not sure their is many big punters in Ireland unless they come out for the Festivals.
Betting ring is loses bare thin at most meetings I must say. Mind you when you can do it online what is the point of going to a wet Thurles
Betting ring is loses bare thin at most meetings I must say. Mind you when you can do it online what is the point of going to a wet Thurles
Take a look at the ride Maurice Linehan gave Tarvini there at Huntington if ye can lads, I can see why he is riding for JP, that 10 pounds won't last long.
Wildman could tell ya a good bit about it, frequent racegoer.
only big punters in the ring now are mostly arbers
How much did he have on ruby if you dont mind me asking?
just skirting around the forum there and i see quite a bit mentioned about a youghal group of punters. are they still about/activie in the ring?think wilmott does most of his punting on the machine here.have to say from th
just skirting around the forum there and i see quite a bit mentioned about a youghal group of punters. are they still about/activie in the ring?think wilmott does most of his punting on the machine here.have to say from th
just skirting around the forum there and i see quite a bit mentioned about a youghal group of punters. are they still about/activie in the ring?think wilmott does most of his punting on the machine here.have to say from th
just skirting around the forum there and i see quite a bit mentioned about a youghal group of punters. are they still about/activie in the ring?think wilmott does most of his punting on the machine here.have to say from th
just skirting around the forum there and i see quite a bit mentioned about a youghal group of punters. are they still about/activie in the ring?think wilmott does most of his punting on the machine here.have to say from th
just skirting around the forum there and i see quite a bit mentioned about a youghal group of punters. are they still about/activie in the ring?think wilmott does most of his punting on the machine here.have to say from th
just skirting around the forum there and i see quite a bit mentioned about a youghal group of punters. are they still about/activie in the ring?think wilmott does most of his punting on the machine here.have to say from th
Rally is still punting away on here, well so i'm told
yourlack...no idea but his horse went off fav. Didn't see any cash exchange hands so hard to tell.
These things go in cycles . Ring was busy when there was plenty of money floating about , a la Celtic Tiger . I dont go racing much now, one of the main reasons for that is that the Irish bookies have become like their counterparts across the water , virtually all offering the same prices and nobody stepping out of line .
Last few times I was racing , wore my shoes down walking up and down looking for the value , there was little or none . Prices follow Betfair largely , certainly as a maximum price guide I suspect , exchanges have changed things for the punter , and most races on here there are price fluctuations which dont seem to be reflected in the bookies prices . Even when horses drift on here near the off I dont see the bookies show reflecting it . Dundalk as bad as any others I can recall .
Presumably the bookies are also having a tough time , so it is within their power to control their prices to guarantee profit , which is what making a book is always about . But you cant win money if you dont lay anything decent . Catch 22 situation .
The glory days are gone , possibly forever . I can remember JP when he was starting out , good layer , taking a chance betimes , dont think there are many following in his footsteps . Pity , used to be part of the craic at the meetings , dont get those feelings nowadays . I blame the bean counters .
Last few times I was racing , wore my shoes down walking up and down looking for the value , there was little or none . Prices follow Betfair largely , certainly as a maximum price guide I suspect , exchanges have changed things for the punter , and most races on here there are price fluctuations which dont seem to be reflected in the bookies prices . Even when horses drift on here near the off I dont see the bookies show reflecting it . Dundalk as bad as any others I can recall .
Presumably the bookies are also having a tough time , so it is within their power to control their prices to guarantee profit , which is what making a book is always about . But you cant win money if you dont lay anything decent . Catch 22 situation .
The glory days are gone , possibly forever . I can remember JP when he was starting out , good layer , taking a chance betimes , dont think there are many following in his footsteps . Pity , used to be part of the craic at the meetings , dont get those feelings nowadays . I blame the bean counters .
I brought a friend of mine to Punchestown this year who is a non racegoer. He asked me "Are all the bookie prices controlled by one computer?" - pretty much said it all
I think people with massive bankrolls could risk stepping out Kelly. I for instance would be taking on Master Minded for everything I owned at last year festival and if I had a bankroll to call on of 50 Million it would allow you to step out and take the real massive bets at the Festival with the massive rollers.
I wonder why JP does not buy a pitch and just take on horses. He has so much information from all yards I am surprised he does not. He does need the cash but It would be exciting none the less.
I wonder why JP does not buy a pitch and just take on horses. He has so much information from all yards I am surprised he does not. He does need the cash but It would be exciting none the less.
JP was on the Late Late some years ago and was asked by Pat Kenny if he would bet 2 million on Istabraq to win a million . JP replied , if you have the 2 million why would you bet (or similar words to that effect ) .
Most of the best bookies I have known were at their ( laying) best when they were hungry . When they beat the punter and accumulated an adequate pile , they tended to become risk averse . This aspect now pervades the bigger bookies / chains these days , they generally have made their pile , they are getting £800 plus a week from each of the 4 FOBT's in their pitch , why expose yourself to the possibility of losing money on a horse race . Just leave yourself a margin and see what happens . Or fiddle around with the exchanges and do the equivalent of arbing . And stop any arbers and successful winning punters ( easily identified nowadays , computers are often very useful ) . Bean counters rule ! No thrill of the chase any more , different situation , different outlook .
Most of the best bookies I have known were at their ( laying) best when they were hungry . When they beat the punter and accumulated an adequate pile , they tended to become risk averse . This aspect now pervades the bigger bookies / chains these days , they generally have made their pile , they are getting £800 plus a week from each of the 4 FOBT's in their pitch , why expose yourself to the possibility of losing money on a horse race . Just leave yourself a margin and see what happens . Or fiddle around with the exchanges and do the equivalent of arbing . And stop any arbers and successful winning punters ( easily identified nowadays , computers are often very useful ) . Bean counters rule ! No thrill of the chase any more , different situation , different outlook .
"Are all the bookie prices controlled by one computer?" - pretty much said it all
What do people expect?? Individual books to come up with their own tissues...bet over the machine, leave themselves exposed to all the arbers.....how long would they last betting to 90-95%
Easy talk but last meeting I was at was Limerick a few weeks back. I walked into the ring and could count the amount of people there...literally count them. In fact I could hear the conversations people were having....would you believe it. You could hear a pin drop. I would say the average bookmaker didnt hold 1500 cash...no wonder the amount of bookmakers standing has dropped so dramatically.
What do people expect?? Individual books to come up with their own tissues...bet over the machine, leave themselves exposed to all the arbers.....how long would they last betting to 90-95%
Easy talk but last meeting I was at was Limerick a few weeks back. I walked into the ring and could count the amount of people there...literally count them. In fact I could hear the conversations people were having....would you believe it. You could hear a pin drop. I would say the average bookmaker didnt hold 1500 cash...no wonder the amount of bookmakers standing has dropped so dramatically.
And now they are getting robbed at gunpoint in racecourse car parks.
Would you have laid Master Minded for everything you owned at Aintree last April as well?
Maybe Tolmi but I was sure he could not win the Champion Chase at the price of 2/1 or worse it would have been well worth the lay to take a stand out price and attack all the money in the ring. Of course if you could afford it that is.
If you could afford it - im guessing by your posts Ruby - I dont think youl ever have money because your attitude towards gambling is that of a dreamers.
You're one of these guys that can never see other outcomes....frequently go all-in.....and then your left with the inevitable....
You're one of these guys that can never see other outcomes....frequently go all-in.....and then your left with the inevitable....
Willie if you could afford to lose that money which only JP prob can. I never do such a thing but the excitement of going top price on a horse in the middle of the festival ring and it losing must be euphoria unimaginable that only the brave can expierence.
One of the other aspects of current economic situation is diminishing assets . A while back like a lot of the rest of us the bookie may have had assets such as property , land , business , investments etc , nearly all those have diminshed markedly in value recently , banks wont lend , jobs are scarce .
Overall there is not much money about , so why would racing not suffer ?
Racing , like a lot of other activities is subject to supply and demand which means continuous adjustment . Reckon we just have to get used to it . Some can continue to look back over their shoulder at the "glory days " , hope they return , but would not be betting on it short term .
Overall there is not much money about , so why would racing not suffer ?
Racing , like a lot of other activities is subject to supply and demand which means continuous adjustment . Reckon we just have to get used to it . Some can continue to look back over their shoulder at the "glory days " , hope they return , but would not be betting on it short term .
most of raleighs earlier gang are gone i think unless he has a new crew?
saying that i knew one of them;a great bloke;i took him to fairyhouse one day i had rare inside info for one of arthur moores;it duly won and we left with 60k
It used to be worth the admission fee into shelbourne park just to watch raleigh and his men doing the line when he gave the nod or the buzz.He was the best judge i ever seen at the dogs.
Kelly mentions assets and one of their greatest assets was their pitch itself, a lot has been said on this previously though.
ihatefatties great touch at Fairyhouse,were you paid in cash?
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