Galway

4.00 Just For Joe 5/2

4.35 Regal d'Estruval 8/1 ew


Have to go to a fckin weddin so wont see much!

fancy just for joe
also done each way doubles and treble
silver shuffle  7/1
letter of credit 7/2
just for joe 5/2

one bet for me there today mount benbulben..saw this fellow last year at tinahealy p2p and was most impressed ..very exciting over fences ...this fellow could be one of the bright sparks in this years national hunt season....

looks the real deal just a bit worried some of gordons not running well and a t odds on i'l leave him today

backed it at 2.02 on here....

good price

14:25 Cyprusormilan E/W - Not a fan of odds-on favs and this has run two solid races in points, second fav disappointed at Downpatrick and not a lot else in the race.

14:55 - The Second Coming is running but short and already on for Chelt so no bet.

15:25 - No Bet

16:00 - Just For Joe E/W 5/2

16:35 - No Bet

17:05 - Holly Tree E/W 25/1 - Already a course winner and ran better than usual at the meeting here in August so clearly likes the course

17:35 - Tell Dawstown E/W 14/1 - Backed to make a winning debut in a decent time at Dawstown back in May, clearly has ability and trainer has done well with similar types in the past scoring at big prices.

feck me lads weres the day gone already ....have to get out for an hour or two ,or  she says me and  this laptop will have spent more time together than me and her.....

galway soaked. very heavy going.

The second coming is odds on everywhere (8/13 with VC) 2.06 here,seems a bit generous but looked a horse with some promise last year.Can't not back it.

Agree Punchestown - not sure if Johnny Ward was taking the mick when he said it had reportedly schooled well given how he jumped at both Dromahane and Tinahely last season.

lads no getting away from how impressive mount benbulben has been but regardless how good a horse is first run back on ground as bad as its going to be around Galway ??????? ..... unless he s 100% fit which  i think it s dangerous to be backing him odds on .......
Then again the opposition don t look like they are in his class ... Letter of Credit the only one who could give him race ...fit from 2 runs over hurdles and won bumpers on bottomless ground ..

Like the look of Just for Joey against Laganbank getting 6lbs ...backed him at 5/2

I can t back a horse winner at the moment so do the opposite i say

it's slashing down here, smell a couple of 50 to 1 + winners

Its funny the way different people look at races,i read Workriders excellent write up on Mount Benbulben at Tinahely and his point was this was some horse because he knocked down every fence,Princesse D`Anjou tells us he jumped poorly at Dromahane so we have established he is a poor jumper.We know he has an engine from watching his bumper wins but this is his first run over hurdles and if, as seems likely to me, he makes a mistake he could find himself behind and i can`t see Paul Carberry being hard on him.The race is full of horses with plenty of hurdling expierience well capable of hurdling at speed and that for me makes Mount Benbulben a massive lay.

I thought Mount B would be a lot shorter than he is Wildman - thought that the 8/11 would come under pressure unless he's 75% fit but I've yet to see a horse plough through as many fences as he did and still win easily, he was fourth jumping the last at Dromahane and the jockey lost both reins and he still ran on into second - there were 8 subsequent winners in behind too.

Letter of Credit only ran 6 days ago so there's always a chance he'll underperform and there's not a lot else in the race though Mount B will arguably be better when stepped up to 2 1/2m++

If you were going to lay him Wildman I'd look at the place market as couldn't lay him at bigger than 4/7 myself.

I had considered laying him for a place but that market is so weak i generally ignore it.The fact that he may jump poorly could lead to Paul Carberry giving up if he finds himself far back.
Many here are far more skilful on computers than me and surely the tactic of laying him pre race and backing him in running might apply for those that like him,remember the in running layers may not be aware of his poor jumping.
So to sum up i think he is a massive lay but if you must back him back him in running because he will surely trade much bigger when he makes the inevitable mistake.

irishracing.com reports a further 8mm of rain this morning at Galway ....going now Heavy on both chases and hurdles

After my two projects won last night I'm playing it up today with a small each way on Oran Flyer in handicap chase. Race could fall apart an this fella has plenty of ability.

going would be of concern..but you have to remember his jumping was over fences ,if he was ever going to fall it was over fences...  so cant see him having a problem with hurdles ...

you fooking **** carberry fully deserved ....

FFS Carberry - no idea what he was playing at there, rammed it right up the backend of the other horse.

What is Carberry doing??....250k of a horse that could now be badly injured. Fortuntely he got up and carried on but Barry Connell will be disgusted at that and i be surprised if you see him on the horse again.

In fairness the horse was pulling for his head the whole way round.

I am sure Barry Connell will be delighted to see 250k of horseflesh rammed into the back of other horses.

THEY knew this wouldnt be winning today.

Why not pull him wide!!!!!!!!!!!!! FFS...rammed up the arse of a bunch of horses.

paul carberry should be suspened and not allowed ride that horse again...if this is what elliot is up to ..i just hope barry takes it away as soon as possible..shocking stuff all thats rancid about irish racing ..not saying they wanted the horse to fall or anything but the way it was rode there ..imo it wasn't going to win today....

An awful lot of pocket talk goin on here...

have a look at the race yourlack ..he nearly got him brought down earlier ..btw this horse is  front runner ..just hope it hasn't soured a most promising horse...

IMO if u employ someone like Carberry you deserve what you get. From Brilliance to rancid in a blink of a eye.

i have to say  i am in total agreement with yourlack on this one .......firstly he went off at 2.62 on the off so i imagine he was pulling his way down to the start .........during the race he was pulling the head off carberry , you could clearly see at the hurdle just after the winning post with a circuit to go he ran right up the arses of the field after jumping it .... for those who think he should have gone wide , obviously giving a horse thats pulling hard no cover , ye might aswell have torn up yere dockets then cause he would have had no chance of getting home at galway  ..It s seriously unfortunate what happend , lets hope he s ok

workrider to call for a suspension on carberry is laughable

I hate to disagree with Workrider but he is not a front runner and the fact is he didn`t settle in the race.All Carberry tried to do was settle the horse,what happened was an accident is anyone seriously saying he did it deliberately.

He was trying to teach him how to race like noone else like paul can. Just cause he went from the front in his bumpers for a different trainer doesnt mean he has to for this trainer. There is some engine there.

he won his p2p from the front....he should have at least let him see a hurdle ...terrible ride and no question...no one saying he did it on purpose but the way he rode it it was almost bound to happen...

But at the end of the day lads a horse that cost 250k has been felled in a maiden hurdle that looked a very very nasty fall indeed. Barry Connell will not be impressed no matter what they were trying.

He's riding a very valuable horse - he's tucked it in behind inferior horses and when it became clear the horse was travelling so well and running free he's done nothing. 

Keeping him in behind others he was always going to risk that happening - he should have let him stride on IMO and given him a real sight of his hurdles.

going out to watch a bit of football before i explode...

Thought he jumped well tho??!! or was it my hungover eyes

He appeared to jump well but there were a couple shown on the reverse angle that didn't look too clever.

Has Andy Mac lost his job with O Grady??

watch just for joe finish 4th to ruin my ew treble!!!

Some load of rubbish talk here. He is a hard puller and given he was fresh as well, Elliott almost certainly told Carberry to bury him, get him settled and come through late to win if he could, learning plenty without having a hard race. As it turned out, the horse didn't settle at all and was still pulling with 5f to race. He would have needed to be a very good horse to win after pulling so hard, but to give Carberry stick for the ride is missing out on the big picture. Elliott and his owner want this horse to learn to race correctly to ensure he goes the right way and that is the type of ride that gives them the best chance of getting him settled.

back home sons team beaten 5.0 ..still feel carberry rode a stinker ...ruby andy is free lancing now ....well done dave on your e/w bet layed just for joe to small money ....never thought he be beaten by that one though...layed westmeath here...

justify that ride davy...

Workrider i say the ground was completely against him. He couldn't lift his legs. At least he kept him for another day...

Looks paddyfield like their...horrible conditions

Only saw the 2nd race 5 minutes ago........The horse fell twice while schooling and is hard to settle.......Jockey tried to bury him to chill him out.........Stating that the owner should take the horses out of Elliott's after that is a wee bit over the top..........

Sorry....the horse.

Been out and just watched it on replay,very hard to call on what he (Carberry) should have done or not as there was a danger the horse might light up if he pulled it wide and let it stride on the way it was fighting for its head.

In hindsight it would have been the thing to do as he would of at least had a look at his hurdles but what happened was a pure accident and can happen when horse are tightly packed like that.


I think he would have picked the lot of them up in the straight the way he was travelling.

gant i know you like elliott it comes across in most of your posts about him...maybe it did fall twice while schooling i cant say if it did or not...you seem to have an angle into that stable....but why change its way of running in a novice hurdle in those conditions..surely today was the day to let the horse get its confidence back against what in all fairness were a modest lot if we're been honest ..let him enjoy himself out front ..then another day teach him to settle...if what you say is true and i have no reason to doubt you ..him falling twice would be a worry ... bad decision all round imo...i wonder did barry concur....

Afterwards Davy Russell, rider of the 7/4 favourite Westmeath, reported to the Stewards that his mount got very tired on the heavy ground and after being examined by the vet he was found to be blowing hard post race.

Workrider their is ur excuse

I'm sure there will be words between Gordon and PC........If the horse got over that hurdle he would have hacked up.............On to fairyhouse now......Thats racing and Gordon will need all these big owners onside when he moves into his new yard.

His jumping was adequate without being spectacular Gant and in fairness the incident happened on the flat,first time out last season he was hampered as well

His jumping was adequate without being spectacular Gant and in fairness the incident happened on the flat,first time out last season he was hampered as well

well then the trainer should be pulled , sending an unfit horse to the races......ruby thats what punters are up against ..alo why i try and go racing as often as possible ...to see how fit or otherwise they are....

He only ran two weeks ago and won in gowran ffs workrider. He is flat bred would have hated the ground.

well then why run him  yourlack...surely they knew what the ground was like ..its not as if was the first race on the card ..plus russell had ridden in a few races before ...you keep making excuses for them yourlack ... with punters like you i'm sure trainers will never have to answer a question ...if YOU knew it wouldn't go in the ground home come the trainer STILL ran it....

Can anyone that was at Galway let us know who was the clown in the crowd that was screaming at the top of his lungs during every race so I can track him down and punch him in the mouth. Thanks.

That bumper winner will take some beating on an easy surface,hit 24/1 in running for small money.

i'm amazed dessie didn't have him moved ...he sounded like a man in pain....maybe out for the weekend ....

Mount Benbulben is not a front runner,he was held up on all three bumper runs and would appear to have been held up in Dromahane.He had used up a lot of energy fighting for his head so i doubt very much if he would have won if he had not clipped heels.

The ground was like that in gowran the last day . They got away with it albeit in a much weaker race. I think you are looking for conspiracy theories where there is none.

yourlack please read your own post of 17.27..He only ran two weeks ago and won in gowran ffs workrider. He is flat bred would have hated the ground.

wildman he won his p2p at thinahealy from the front ..i know i was there ....

I know that, wasn`t it you that alerted us to his potential but all the same that was the only time he made the running.

that was also the last time we saw him over jumps..he was held up in his bumpers ...so why the change of tactics today ...as i said already ..a bad race in poor conditions , why not let him jump off and enjoy himself ..he's won over futher , teach him another day..they were trying to be smart imo and got burned....

i just hope the horse comes back alright and has no side effects....

Wonky i dont see what they would achieve long term by letting the horse make the running today.  Get him setled in behind jumping amongst horses.  Early enough in the season to be letting him stride on and possibly getting a hard race.

ffs littleman you're singing from the same hymn sheet as a few more ..before i head out ..tell me in your own words what this horse was going learn from been help up today of all days ...no need to hold him up today whatever ....

Just my opinion but i think he looked far too keen today and if he had let him stride on in this ground it could have taken a lot out of him.  Saying that i do not like the trainer!  999 times out of 1000 he would have stayed up and got a gap and probably have won.  From a punting perspective i can see your point.

I would sooner try and teach a horse in a weaker race than what he will be in the next day........each to their own.

lads i also think some credit should go to the winner Letter of Credit ( excuse the pun ! ) who Barry Geraghty reported after got hampered at the second last and still won 5 lenghts .........He s no bad horse in particular on ground as heavy as that .....beat good horses like black benny and alle garde on it last season also chased home probably the best bumper horse last season Samain and finished 6 th on good ground in the champion bumper ......The way Mount Benbulben pulled during the race i think he  wouldn t have beaten letter of credit if he didn t slip up .....

Sure we are all entitled to a moan when things don't go to plan.

i'll give you my reading of the race beforehand ..he's the best horse in the race ...can front run and has won doing same ...get on with it simple....gant i see you hold the same views as gordon..why win a mickey mouse race ..when you can get it beaten ..sorry teach it how to be held up ....then get it to hopefully win its next race...

heading off into your your county gant for a few hours ..i hope we dont meet and have a difference of opinion.....

Probably have the same views..........Teach a young horse and build up his confidence.........hindsight is a wonderful thing......if it won you would be telling us all about tinahely........oh if life was so easy.

I would rather teach a horse in a race like that first time out.  Its a long season......

The fresh air will do you good Workrider.

The fresh air will do you good Workrider.

Wonky you were getting very heated over on the Horse racing forum.  Abusing people .  You would swear you backed it

Workrider you need to realise that trainer's don't think about one day, most certainly not a poxy maiden hurdle at Galway, they have to consider the big picture. If he gave him his head and made the running 12 lengths clear of everything else today, he might well have won, but the risk would be the horse would think that is what is expected of him every time he gets to a racecourse and good luck trying to settle him in a small field novice hurdle next time, which is probably where he would have run next if winning today. This is a long term game and sometimes you'll back a horse that loses because the trainer was trying to do the best for the future of the horse, eg Alanza earlier this year. Keep backing him, because when that horse learns to settle he'll be a machine.

Workrider you'd be off your game to send that horse out in front today knowing how free he runs. If Carberry had set out to make all he would 't have been able to hold one side of him and he definately wouldn't have got into a rhythm. The aim was to get him to drop the bridle and get him jumping. Watching the horse jump he obviously wasn't sure how to back off and go for short ones. If he had been running away in front he more than likely would have been chancy and flyleaping over them easyfix hurdles and paid the price at some point. My view is that the horse is braindead like several of them Beneficials.

ya your dead right ducky. i had an argument with a livid postman who was trying to tell me carberry lockjawed him. oh ya im sure carberry loves hitting the ground.

paddywhacker ,this horse won its point to point from the front ..it can jump we know that...i said on another thread that he hit every fence at tinahely the day he won his point , yet he never looked like falling....what i'm saying is simply this ...today was not the day to try and teach him anything     in those conditions.. according to gant that is ,he had fallen twice while schooling at home .....so to give him his confidence back ..you stick him in behind a bunch of novices ..give me a break ffs...

Im just back from the pub with 2 mates who are part of the 10 galway owners of Letter of credit.  They bought the horse for 16k from a builder in nama who sold his 2 horses, the other horse was Menorah!!!  They are bringing Letter to Chelt in november.  Its good to see the little people have winners, not someone who sold land for €80 million buying horses for 250K win.............Gaillimh Abú

sounds as if you had a great day mate ....that horse ran a cracker for ye today ..i thought it had won turning in....

bean chroi bhriste runs thursday clonmel.  we fancy it

I have a lot of fancies at 1am in the morning too Newmanix

Sounds like a belting day out you lads had and good luck at Clonmel and Cheltenham.

it was hardcore. got dvd of the race and played it in da pub at 11pm

Newmanix

Who is/was the previous owner (Eugene McDermott) please ?

Do we get our money back today at 10to6 on Sands Cove ????????

I think Valleymount has a sporting E/W chance of upsetting the hot pot here,has a break to overcome but has 5 solid runs in the book and goes on the ground.

Catch me, I cant remember but it definately had a Mc in his name.