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yep what u need to know bruv?

Are the mystical traders relevant ?  From my view of it( with the exception of SJ ) Oddschecker indicates they all have virtually  the same prices on offer .  Pp used to sometimes be better , but they have obviously reprogrammed to reflect  almost intantaneous adherence to below prices on here . So traders are largely irrelevant except to decide how much to offer you at SP . Bookies are bean counters now .

Boils do sometimes offer better prices , not sure whether they lay them to any money though .

SJ just close your account  , my experience anyway , not alone on that score . 

Only know 2 high up employees in the organisations in question .  One of them is dead on , the other begs the question  "where is the bargepole " .

The three organisations in the heading are high profile in Ireland due to the large number of shops they have .  As a one time frequent visitor to  them , now I enter one of their shops about once a month  , and its for a bit of craic with some of their floor staff known to me over the years . Only one of the three look to be busy in their shops based on my observation  , but they do run seperate offers etc shopwise vs internet , which is their prerogative .

One of the 3 in question will survive and may expand as their attitude is better and they realise that unless they give the punters value and a bit of a chance they will die as trading entities .  My view anyway .

from what i heard laddies head trader ( and a decent fella at that) got the bullet
a few months ago and now their trading principles have totally changed??

kelly has it about right,firms now falling over themselves to shorten any horse that they suspect may be a mover even before they actually lay it!! Hills are the worst for this.I thinkk these so called Traders spend more time on oddschecker now than any punters do.

I'm sure that any punters going into a betting office looking for a cut at a horse can be considered shrewd now. There has to be an awful lot less mug money in the offices now, if any. Roll back the clock 5-10 years when bricklayers and the like were getting paid upto 2k a week in cash, it was a lot easier then to slip through the net. Now, there is very little opportunity to pitch your wits for any decent sum against these people operating licensed betting offices, the struggle will only continue.

I dont know what their problem is ,sure dont 99.9% of punters lose.If you keeping screwing the punters,and let them win the odd time,the punters will get sick of it.In the words of one wise bookie,you cant win it,if its not in the bag.

Hammy's right, sure nobody goes to have a bet thinking it'll lose. Some of the lads on here get awful hung up on prices. My view is that if I miss the 6s and take 4s if it wins sure i've backed a winner and if it loses it didn't matter what price I got..

as another famous bookie said "if you always won it'd be no fun"

murphyjust, some of my best bets have been losers.

Murphyjust - If you keep that up though taking 4/1 about things that should be 6's and 20's when it should be 33's in the long run you'll lose.

Agree with Reb - some of the best ever bets have been losers, most notably taking 50's about a horse back in June that went off 11/2 and just scraped third, or taking 33's about one that went off 11/2 in Feb and I'm still working out how it got beat!

Agree totally Princesse,if i miss the price im after i dont bet it.To put it simply i would take 11/10 heads in a coin toss but i wouldnt take 10/11.

Is it not a fact that heads comes up 52% of the time?

You would know more about tossing than me hammy.

paddy power is a bunch of blood sucking leechs i havent had a bet all week and they have been emailing me about 3 times a day...then this morning they gave me a free bet and put 10 in my poker account.
all im saying is i was gambling to much and try and wise up but these blood suckers are hounding me

getinthere, would it be possible to reproduce one of those multiple PP e mails on here (removing any personal details of course) ?

Years ago,I was considering opening a bookmakers so I asked a bookie friend of mine, would I need to know a lot about horses if I was starting the business. He told me I needed to know nothing about horses; I needed to know about people.

why would i lie to some people i dont know reb?

getinthere, I'm not saying you're lying.

Much of what people write on here is often grossly exaggerated, downright lies or absolute rubbish. You've made a serious statement about a leading, publicly quoted bookmaker. I find their behaviour (as described in your post at 16.38 above) surprising and reprehensible.

The big change over the last 15 years is that the shops used to be busy a lot of the time with inveterate punters who bet on a variety of things to maintain their interest and to feed thair habit .

90% of those type of punters have disappeared , partly as an age thing , partly because via the exchanges they have realised they were being taken for a ride odds wise .

The younger punters appear post work to bet on the soccer , colour of the refs underpants , number of corners  , red cards , yellow cards etc  , but they may only do that once a week , and possibly on Saturdays also in their local shop .  But the money involved is not substantial , not many walking in and having a monkey on a 2/1 shot on a friday afternoon post weekly wage packet time .

With up to half a million bet on most races on here , most true punters backing their fancy can get a decent amount on using the exchanges , and probably at a better price that the bookies who will reduce the odds pronto if  decent money appears .

No way back for the bookies , most people can sit at home and watch the racing , football , golf , tennis  etc  , and bet on it from the comfort of their own armchair  , plus they are getting value and can bet in running on the exchanges , impossible for the bookies to do . The shrewder bookies I have known have nearly all sold out to the chains  , hopefully for them they did not buy bank shares with the proceeds .

Interesting to see how it all pans out . Only one bookie firm I would consider buying shares in , but I have become risk averse in that regard having experienced all the shennanigans involved in topsy turvy financial markets .

in the long run when a bookie refuses you a bet its like a turkey voting for christmas.i have been closed by several bookies with them using ridiculous restrictions(and i wasnt overly successful).sj,vc and spoils being the worst.i still use a few for  sports bets but if im having a decent bet its almost exclusively here or daq..and there are lots like me.so they save a few quid short term and lose long term.imagine if one of the big firms came out and said they would guarantee to take any bet(morning price or board price) to a loss of say 6k?they would get some turnover.and if they had confidence in their traders they should be able to do it..so come on guys!!

Its the typical response you get from cybernerds who spend most of their time on computers.Most clueless lazy punters will do most of their betting on exchanges nowadays,this one in particular,yet they are blissfully unaware that this site is more restrictive than any betting firm.Ok betting firms will restrict almost everybody nowadays,some are possibly too anxious to restrict.At the end of the day bookmaking firms are in existence to make money and are in all honesty going to make life as difficult as it can for almost every single customer.This horrible exchange here is a different story,it will allow all sort of cheating of its own customers to go both undetected and unreported,it allows people to back winners after theyve won,it allows them to lay fallers after they have fallen, pulled up,in hopeless positions,it allows people to rob money from unsuspecting customers every single day.Any punter worth his salt is premium charged out of existence,and they have the temerity to say that its only an elite band of 500 people involved which is miles away from reality.So kelly when you say punters are being taken by a ride its more likely than not its by this exchange,because all thats left here are robots,fast picture men,cheats all of which are facilitated by Betfair as long as they give them back more than half the profits,and then there are all the punters who never will win.

The bean counters rule the roost , kavvie . Doubt there will ever be a return to the days when men were men . Backed a winner myself last week at Dundalk , 7/1 when I backed it early .  It traded down to 6/1 tight , but later on drifted out continuously to 12/1 on here .  Despite being double figures on here for 10 minutes before the off , it never budged on the course , bookies keeping their margins up in the stratosphere  , SP returned at 7/1 , Betfair SP 11/1 .  Thats some margin of difference  , and its a profitable area for the bookies .

As I posted earlier this month , observed a particular pitch in operation on course recently , one of their staff was glued to an internet hook up , pushing buttons all the time , guess what they were doing --"maximising profit " . Same firm closed my account many moons ago , 3 months after I opened it .  Did not take them long to identify I was not a mug punter . If you back value and are succesful they will not lay you , simple as that . In the old days they viewed certain clients as loss leaders  , prepared to lay at early prices , but invariably they started backing the horse ( via SP shop runners I would have called them )  and manipulating the odds .  No problem with them doing that , but no one else is allowed to do it in their book .  Dog eat dog I am afraid , its always been a jungle out there , and the divil take the hindmost . With technological advances it is worse now than ever before  , reckon they will soon be seeking iris scans or fingerprints  before they will lay a bet in case its a shrewdie .

Kelly,you dont know what you are talking about.Dundalk AW is not a very fair example to give in the first instance,and with bigger priced horses everybody knows that exchanges will beat the on course odds,the opposite can be the case with the shorter priced ones,particularly when you take their fairly prohibitive commission that they charge.Finally kelly,how much could you have on this horse at 11/1,fukk all is the answer,the same as virtually every outsider on here,unless that is that it doesnt try,then you will be accomodated.Also whats 11/1 with 2p commission and 40% premium charge,ya i thought so,should have taken the 7

Mincer , the Betfair SP was 11/1 , so presumably you could have got a decent amount on .  The horse traded out to 13 on here , and there were reasonable amounts floating about .  The horse was not an outsider as you suggest , it started joint 4th favourite in a 14 runner handicap race , hardly an outsider with only 3 shorter priced horses in the bookies betting show  , anyway I only back outsiders about once every 2 years .

Anyone paying premium charges obviously does not bet seriously  on here  unless they have absolutely no option, tough on them , I am not likely to be a premium charger and it would be interesting to know what percentage of punters do pay it . Would have thought there were ways around it , no aunts , uncles , siblings , brothers in law etc ?

Re not knowing what I am talking about , your post proves to me that you are the one with an incorrect handle on facts or you have a problem beating the system .

The situation re bookies at Dundalk was a big factor when it opened , dont know how many turn up nowadays , but it hardly classifies as a flapper meeting . Must look up the overround on that race .

Kelly, I was up there at the beginning of the month. There is room for a max of twelve bookies. And they did plenty of business. Two lines of six. Mind you there are plenty of strong bookies there.

12 bookies max is pathetic soapp . Surely that is poor value for the punters .  Most of us have had issues with course bookies over the years , so leaving them out as an option leaves the punter with little choice .

Sure would not encourage a punter to go there which is a shame as it looks like a good track .  Have not been there since the revamp , but track was always lucky for me in the old days . Bookies will lay you anything with the odds stacked in their favour  , suspect the overrounds might need a bit of examination .

The first event I ever attended where there were bookies was in the late forties , my father had a dog(s) running , apparently there were 100 plus bookies ON THE OUTSIDE betting ring .  No idea how many were in the main ring , but would certainly have equalled that .  And that was a greyhound meeting . Things sure have changed .

Around that time I was also at point to points , pretty sure there were a lot of bookies there regularly . 12 bookies looks  like the attendance at the funeral of the man from god knows where .