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Im not one to be backin AOB's horses Stateside usually but the fella must have outstanding claims tonight if ridden prominently?
Gio Ponti probably a worthy favourite but there is nt much betweeen them on their Dubai running(was a beaten fav in a G1 last time but i saw the race and he was ridden as if he was pegasus)
Mission Approved won the race Gio Ponti was in last time and caused a bit of an upset but he did keep on well after quickening clear - Spencer would nt want to be giving this fella too much rope
Mission Approved off in front - Cape Blanco sit in 2nd and wind it up comin into the straight to just get the better of Mission Approved with Gio staying on in 3rd
All good in theory
Gio Ponti probably a worthy favourite but there is nt much betweeen them on their Dubai running(was a beaten fav in a G1 last time but i saw the race and he was ridden as if he was pegasus)
Mission Approved won the race Gio Ponti was in last time and caused a bit of an upset but he did keep on well after quickening clear - Spencer would nt want to be giving this fella too much rope
Mission Approved off in front - Cape Blanco sit in 2nd and wind it up comin into the straight to just get the better of Mission Approved with Gio staying on in 3rd
All good in theory
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Cue him and Mission Approved cuttin each others throats up front 
Cape Blanco has ran this year in Dubai, France and then Royal Ascot. Now shipped over to the US - tough schedule which he will do very well to overcome. With both Mission Approved and Cape Blanco helping to set a good pace the race looks to be perfectly set up for Gio Ponti to outspeed them all close home.
Good luck if you`re backing it lads. You might need some!
2nd going well 23 and 59 arfter the first quarter
OIOI great ride
if he was yours bigwilly you wouldnt mind.he was only flicking it
1st Cape Blanco3/1
2nd Gio Ponti 1/1
3rd Boisterous 5/1
2nd Gio Ponti 1/1
3rd Boisterous 5/1
You could use a cat and nine tails in the States, A super ride from Spencer.
Great call BJG....jamie didn't spare him......would get 10 days in England for dat.....
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Well done lads. About time they had a decent winner there!
Well done lads. About time they had a decent winner there!
After that ride i'll finally forgive the little boll*x for losing the arlington million all them years ago now
cape blanco prob increased his worth as a stallion there by 20m...im sure jamie was aware of that..
kavvie Joined: 26 Feb 04
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cape blanco prob increased his worth as a stallion there by 20m...im sure jamie was aware of that..
What a crazy remark to make.
Replies: 1684 09 Jul 11 22:28
cape blanco prob increased his worth as a stallion there by 20m...im sure jamie was aware of that..
What a crazy remark to make.
Mickey mouse race in America. Irish Champion was a better race.
why, my expert friend?he has now won g1s in europe and usa.fill us in as to why my statement isnt true?if he was sold hes worth 20m more than yesterday.yes or no?
Not in a million years has that added 20m to his value.
It may have added a little to it but winning a turf race in the States will not impact on it very much.
At the absolute very most it has made 5million but I would say that you culd take the 0 away from your original valuation and you would be much closer to it.
It may have added a little to it but winning a turf race in the States will not impact on it very much.
At the absolute very most it has made 5million but I would say that you culd take the 0 away from your original valuation and you would be much closer to it.
It was a poor race bar Gio Ponti. Doubt any horse in it bar first two would win a group two in Europe. That has not enhanced his price by much i would say.
Spot on kavvie and Jamie gets a few nominations after his win....worth some dosh to him......Jamie in USA and Hayley up the July course......what a dubbl........act....oops...[;)]
DV probably right, Turf racing very much the poor relation stateside which is why getting 3/1 on an Irish Derby winner/Irish champion stakes winner was so good. American turf G1's are easy pickings for European G1 winners
would having the man o war g1 on his cv not increase his worth by more than 2m as you say?all them american breeders looking at coolmore stallions?strange logic from you..if a stallion gets going its bingo.
Moneypenny you have had some day ......i'd say......
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Daylami
Fantastic Light
Magistretti
All Man O War winners and it would have made not one iota of a difference to their overall reputations other than Magistretti, who was a nobody anyway.
The prizemoney was the big bonus there and the possibility of going for the Arlington Million, the Canadian International and the BC Turf. They are all solid options now.
Nobody will care about that win for Stallion purposes in the same way that successful turf horses such as Kittens Joy, Doctor Dino, Bucks Boy, Artie Schiller, With Anticipation etc are nobodies from a stallion point of view.
Daylami
Fantastic Light
Magistretti
All Man O War winners and it would have made not one iota of a difference to their overall reputations other than Magistretti, who was a nobody anyway.
The prizemoney was the big bonus there and the possibility of going for the Arlington Million, the Canadian International and the BC Turf. They are all solid options now.
Nobody will care about that win for Stallion purposes in the same way that successful turf horses such as Kittens Joy, Doctor Dino, Bucks Boy, Artie Schiller, With Anticipation etc are nobodies from a stallion point of view.
had a bit of a disaster earlier on but have ended day in profit thanks to Jamie and the Waterford Footballers
I was being generous with €2million.
I have no idea of his worth as a stallion, but is under €10 million anyway at a guess. It has probably not increased at all from that win.
His dam line is very weak. If he had a stallion's pedigree in the first place, Fitri Hay would not have got a piece of the action.
I have no idea of his worth as a stallion, but is under €10 million anyway at a guess. It has probably not increased at all from that win.
His dam line is very weak. If he had a stallion's pedigree in the first place, Fitri Hay would not have got a piece of the action.
g1 over 10f 11f(in us) and 12f...im sure not many have as good a cv..
Kavvie in fairness the man who knows his stuff is telling you asit is.
Post the question on the bloodstock forum and they could probably value it. There are some very sharp minds on it.
I am no expert on it although I study pedigrees in a lot of detail.
I honestly don't think it has made more than the slightest difference as (like Billywilly said) the Champion stakes would already have counted for more. If a horse won the Man O' War and nothing else, I doubt he would even make a stallion in the States.
I am no expert on it although I study pedigrees in a lot of detail.
I honestly don't think it has made more than the slightest difference as (like Billywilly said) the Champion stakes would already have counted for more. If a horse won the Man O' War and nothing else, I doubt he would even make a stallion in the States.
Well my last word on it is that imho kavvie is right Cape Blanco has been shown to the US breeders and is now worth a fortune a printing machine for the Coolmore operators.......and more luck to them and Frank too.......what a trainer AP is Ni bheidh a leithead ann aris........
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