OK its DERBY/OAKS week

I wouldn't mind peslier being on native khan agian if it were mine.

i'm heading over jay....hoping to help her majesty lead in her winner .....

Yah knew twas you showin Lizzi Windsor around the NS.......Hope you can contiue to argue the case for your stud to stand him after his Epsom romp....let us have your best fancies for the meet as the week advances............

Recital for me in the Derby, I'd say reading between the lines they think he's a lot classier than Seville and if thats the case he should be in the 3 at least.

The track is the imponderable, but he wouldn't be the first quirky Montjeu to thrive at Epsom.

Wonder of Wonders for the Oaks but I won't be playing at 4's

Ballydoyle TREBLE well and truly on the cards here including the Coronation Cup

Gents when her Majesty finds out that workrider is Rovers fan she'll hopefully do us all a favour and send him to the Tower for 20 years!

I think that Lizzie Windsor will be asking WR to come over again on Patricks Day with Shamrock...such will be her joyous mood and indeed we may be looking at Sir WR......

Im firmly in the Recital camp for the Derby also

jay hopefully the sword is blunt .....

Well well well....Fallon....brokered a deal for himself with Ballydoyle.... that includes WoW in the Oaks...and of course RECITAL.....paid retainer?...loyalty ?...no matter to KF....in any event i'm happy to have him on WoW friday, outstanding chance..really impressive at Chester...Moore couldn't pull it up.............. so distance ok too....Fallon's column in the Weekender could be interesting this week...

Yup great to have him on WOW,I think she will take some beating,Fallon will prob get the ride on so u think when it clashes with wf at some stage aswell??

Best available

Just read an article on Oddschecker by one Nic Doggett.(yes dogett)....he makes an interesting point for 46yr old Fallon to be appointed as short term solution for Ballydoyle...saying all the best of the younger brigade are tied up one way or another and the aging Fallon could be used as kind of stop gap solution..,,Doggett thinks the way this weekends results go at Epsom could be very very important for Mr. Fallon...so he is sure gonna be fired up for it...WoW will get some drive...hopefully.......collect  [;)]

I hope so too jay,I am all over her ew ,really impressed the way she finished at chester (she didn't beat much but visually impressive and didn't have the run of the race),and looks a typical 3yo filly for o'brien who keep improving like peeping fawn,alexandrova,yesterday and all but beautiful(her mother who was second in this race to super mare ouija board(k.fallon)).None of her 3 main rivals (according to the betting)have raced raced at further than a mile and even tho their breeding and style of racing suggest that it should be within their compass they still have to go and do it.I also agree that this weekend is absolutely vital for fallon,I would go as far to say that this weekend could have a massive bearing on his future or lack of with ballydoyle/coolmore.

Updated betting on the derby 
carlton house-4.1 
pour moi-5.2 
recital-6.6 
seville-8.4 

It could be a big price on carlton house if it only turns out to be a minor scare,....any thoughts????

Derby

- Recital 8/1 e/w -

Masked Marvel 20/1 e/w(backed last October so just happy to get a run tbh cuz he was stuffed de day i backed him)


Oaks -

Blue Bunting 11/4 + 9/4

Sirens Song 20/1 e/w NRNB

Recital fans coming out of the woodwork. Where were you all when I was pooh poohing the naysayers after his Derrinstown win?

waiting for target confirmation


u on at bigger prices GS??

is 5-1 good value??

seville better value!!

dj876...very hard to bet CH until this thing is sorted one way or the other I think some one said PP's are NRNB...still you just wouldnt know with that stable in particular...while i'm a big WoW fan do you think mick  channon is kinda ok with fillies and FORK HANDLES could make a place ? ran 3rd behind WoW at Chester fin well after being well back...Spencer probably on it again does have strong 2yr old form and might not be fair in saying WoW beat little at Chester...and I agree with your view on WoW at Chester very impressive and I too hope its a big improver like the one s you name....Dettori is not really going overboard about his mount in the Post 2day.......good luck with your bets...........WoW ?

I have laid Recital at all rates and would be amazed if this mongrel could ever win a Derby.Am also against Wonder Of Wonders,i dont like Chester form and think the Curragh form of Misty For Me is far superior.

Great minds BJG - I too like Recital in the Derby and Sirens Song in the Oaks, I think she's a monster price at 20's!

Same as yourself BJG. 8s but not ew.
I`m not overly confident but it is an ordinary renewal. You really wouldn`t know which one of theirs they will back on the day.
I have the Queens in a few doubles too. Would be a shame if it didn`t run
Don`t fancy anything in the Oaks. I can see why people like Harringtons, but the form is very average.

2 Grand available @ 4.6 on carlton house-looks like being a nr,pour moi challenging for favourtism @ 5.2

OK wildman.....hope it doesn't cost you with the cannine RECITAL was Apache thus labelled ? now goin to ascot......well even Bank of Ireland fancies WoW anyone see their adds in the last few days...WoW what a week Now chester was never on the Ballydoyle radar until the Fallon influence and AP seems to like the place now...maybe tight turning track gives them experience for Epsom..aka Kris Kin........

Apache or Admiral Of The Red for the Queens Vase,both of these stay all day but are slow.
I am spancilled at the moment as all my funds are tied up in Recital,have to use other peoples accounts to lay Wonder Of Wonders.

Lay WOW at your peril wildman,she will def be in the frame  ,fallon with the wow factor!!

1/5 shot just beaten there,dickie johnson's parents own the fav,that Tim Vaughan is talented-2s on and 5s on the last 2 races[;)]

havant for me lads ...a halling filly who ran well in the gns...sure to relish the trip in the oaks ..sir michael may not win the derby but i think the oaks is his for the taking ....

Flip Flop favs

Carlton House out to 5.3

Does not look good for backers

WR a big fan of havant - i thought she looked special last year winning her maiden and then groupo 3 ,but both both were on soft ang good to soft  ground,I thought the ground at newmarket was a bigger factor than the trip and with  fast ground on friday likely,it wud have to be a major concern??

fair point dj876 ..i dont think stoute would run her if he thought she wouldn't go on the ground .....heading over so will make my mind up on the day when i see them in the paddock..midday v saint nic...is a very interesting contest ..might just go for midday shes had a run already this season ..sna won with bundles in hand at chester ..going to go for the mares proven ability rather than sna potential....have a good meeting dj876 ....

cheers wr 
Have a good one,I HAVANT done many of the big flat english meets,let me know how u get on.. 
I am on midday at 3.6,(missed 4.2),I think it is still priced wrong st. nick only won a bad group 3 over 13 furlongs lto,midday is proven and consistent group 1 (all be it against her own sex),another angle into the race is the possible/probable lack of pace with a small field-midday is pacier won over 10 f at york lto.......anyways best of luck

tks ...

I wonder will Ryan Moore get the leg up on one of Ballydoyle's on Saturday, assuming Carlton House doesn't go

you can be sure he will...

Misty for Me, Nap single [:(] & 4* doubles on the four fancied Ballydoyle hopes.[;)]

No winners for Deplasterer so.

4/1 about Wonder of Wonders drying up now in the village.....3/1 in Laddies shop....was 7/2 in Powers [;)][;)][;)]

4/1 left with Bruces.

I've had a wager, really like her.

[;)] thanks Dan...1/4 ew Bruce so took a bit of that as well[;)]

Jay be sure to have your saver on Misty, you know it makes sense.[;)]

Billy is going 1/3 the odds each-way for the Oaks tomorrow

in shops?

in shops and online,they are  top price on the first 3 in the betting

thanks, I never bet with them normally, haven't been in their shop in about 3 years

Best to shopping early in the am so...for the 1/3....sure to stay is WoW and i expect KF to go early in the straight and see what will catch up.....a few srewdies on here fancy havant and i hope dj is right about the going with that one....Moore will have a fair idea where he stands with WoW, who hopefully will have improved loadz since Chester.....tradesman I know the bloody risks being on the stables wrong un but the ew is me saver.....fork handles is my outsider for JP Spencer.....

Tartan Gigha is very interesting in the 2.10 at 10/1+ e/w

A winner of this race the last 2 years in 09 off a mark of 88 and last year off 100

Clearly relishes this CD and they like aiming him at this race

Started off the season in good form on the AW

Firstly in a Conditions Stakes at Deauville on seasonal debut when an unfancied 28/1 shot - finished 3rd but should have been second - suffered all sorts of problems in running and finished like a train
The winner of that race went on to win a G3 nto
Mores Wells over 2l behind in 5th - was a mulitple G3 winner and was just beaten a head by Joshua Tree in the G1 Canadian International in October

Then from an unfavourable draw in stall 10 off 97 at Wolves in the Lincoln Trial was forced to race very wide - was 5 wide around the 1st bend and got completely pushed off it when there was trouble on the inner - raced wide the whole way around after than and made up a lot of ground up the straight to go down by just 1/2 behind Lowther 

His form tailed off in his last 3 runs on turf but as a result his mark has dropped down to 94 (6lbs less than the mark he won this race off last year)

Great e/w bet here i think

jay I am on WOW myself with a good while(topping up the last fortnight)-really like her and agree with u about fallon making it a test of stamina as next 3 in betting have not raced at further than a mile(I have a small ew cover on zain al bodhan),but havant was a fair impressive 2yo(on soft and good to soft) and step up in trip should suit so wouldn't be certain about the ground.   

If WOW and Midday win tomorrow it's lights out

OK BJG.....will have a good look at him in the post hope Tom doesn't pricewise him....like something he'd do......didn't fallon used to ride that one....de sousa 2moro....fallon with Luca's.......Dettori inda first just like what goddolphin do....win the 1st

Best of good luck to you dj876.....

Wake up evryone .............WoW its summer.........

SNA didn't half eat up the ground when he hit full flight!

super race

dj876 letdown by a very poor ride again from tom quelli...... Ryan would have won on either dats the difference in the BIG races...... you need the real few top jockeys on board.....tom is in the lowr level not in the Premier league....

Not sure what Queally got wrong there

He got first run on STA and got in front, thereby forcing STA to go wide but the horse still had enough to pick up speed and go past her

mmmjay
I am slow to criticise jocks,and I know queally to talk to and he has got a brain,but very disappointed with that,look at her run last year in goodwood - she doesn't do a great deal in front....I knew this too should have put in a short price in running lay(which i do fairly often ,18 grand matched at 1.01)

St Nicholas Abbey more of a CUP horse

Ran a fine race, in fairness to Fallon he had her where she needed to be. Probably thought he had the one in front covered but just wasn't to be.

Murtagh gave the winner a cracker.

It looked to me like WofW just didn't want to go by the winner

I agree with TAP4TOE tbh


Great ride from Murtagh on the winner though and Mr Dettori should be getting a decent ban

Lost 3rd after easing down!!

Frankie got 10 days........agree to a certain degree with after race comments....doh I believe Ballydoyle messed up real bad..... should of had one or both outsiders out front and not give winner soft lead....huge mistake...Fallon said WoW lost her action on the camber......Ballydoyl will be seething....can they take Jonny to Hi-Court for leaving.....ah well onword and upword have to stik with Fallon 2moro......

Dunno why Ballydoyle even entered the 2 outsiders if it was nt to make the pace

Just watched the side on again, what a dope Dettori is. Easing up and losing 3rd in the Oaks [smiley:crazy]

He is lucky to only get 10 days imo

probably to block the others coming from behind

They forgot about the 1 in front

Had the winner but very lucky, should never been allowed to do what it done in first as very soft lead. Still delighted and happy to take it

sure you did you aftertiming clown

i suppose you probably had the tricast too, rang Frankie who is one of your contacts and asked him to drop his hands near the line

my god what an IDIOT!!!!

muppetfingers is the worst poster here, pay no attention to him he was obviously deprived of it as a child.

I knew i should not have opened my mouth, still don't care 20/1 ya ya ya ya GO Team Rocketfingers

Well my opening post on this thread has come back to haunt Fallon....Loyalty............so where now for the Derby winner....was going to back the Ballydoyle stable to win 2s in sadblokes but now havin a serious re-think...,,,i'm in no doubt the dunlops are happy 2.....

Really enjoyable race......great drama,had everything ,

   
wd wildman .......on recital

Stoute needs a farrier and Ballydoyle need a jockey

really enjoyed that

until I realised I screwed up betfair sp AGAIN

well done wildclown with your Recital lay

what price was it you layed him at? 8/1 oh right well done with your 1/8 winner


PMSL is this what you get credit for on this forum now, my god it's that bad we congratulate somebody on a 1/8 winner

Stupid ignorant post again by TheBettingFoolThe3rd....wildman took a position in the race and put Recital up as a major lay.....one could lay him for plenty in or around 9/2===5/1....one can also lay some money on the place mkt....I must say he influenced me and i swervd Recital, and indeed Ballydoyle in the stable mkt....therefore in my view wildman's post is what this forum shud be about not silly little posts such as yours..........in other words put up lays or fancies or shut up.....

Have you ever seen the like of it!? Arrogance personified.
There`s a fine line between genius and idiot.

Both Jockey and horse are the real deal.  For a young jockey in his first year in UK he got there right on cue, on a very difficult track to ride.  I take my hat off to him.  It may seem mad now, but the exposure racing will get from this will be good for the game.

SOF reportedly delighted one of 'theirs' won.

, I backed O'briens in both classics too,[smiley:crazy]. When does the good jumps season start, I feckin hate the flat.

Galway.....maybe.....or even Listowel