Who is the best punter on this forum?

100% with you Rock Piper . Why "stop"in 05 ? 

Like you I considered myself a trader rather than a punter , always found it easier to pick definite losers as against definite winners .

In my busy trading peiod ( now I am down to about 10% of what my turnover used to be ) I was far too busy to reference any forums , even if they were better behaved and more gentlemanly than at present .

As for "best punter" threads , it is all about percentages , not the loudest or most strident voice .  Anyone who turns a regular percentage profit is in the mix for that title , and odds are this silent majority do not "waste" time posting their thoughts on here .

Time is money .

I agree but WR, Norn, Giant, Sat Flight, BWS, Wildman are all proven shrewdies they probably come on here for a chat and a little break and a chin wag. Nothing wrong with that imo as they are putting up good tips to follow as well for the rest of us mugs.

best ive seen here were ...the road to lingstown,stamford bridge.norn iron,sat flight,magic md,bjg,and i think giant strides has has good things to say lately.sadly most of the above have stopped cotributing due to a moronic few.i remember 5 or 6 years ago stam bridge was having a particularly impressive run and a few started at him.it was unreal.well they succeded because hes not here any more.same with magic md..even though we had a few arguements in our time!!..the thing about sharing info here though is that theres no upside...if you tip a winner fair enough but tip a loser and the morons come out in force..i guess its a human condition of some people..sad though!!

Kavvie...There is an upside to posting on here in that you can learn from other people.Most of the people you mention are before my time but there are some great posters still here,i dont know how many times i have referred to the high standard of tipping on Moneypennys competition,i personally prefer general discussions on races rather than a post baldly saying back horse A.Whenever i go racing i see the professional punters in a huddle discussing the racing they value each others opinion,i see this forum in a similar vein and as i am probably too opinionated like to hear other views.

What happened was that even when guys (Stamford etc,etc)were tipping winners regularly (if the prices of those horse were short) the posters were hammered because anybody could pick out a short price winner (oh yeah?),that, in a nutshell is what happened.

A lot of regular sound heads fooked off and the muppets took over.

Kavvie.....your spot on.......I put up word for an unraced bumper horse a while back.....the horse was second and 2 individuals followed me around the forum for at least 2 months reminding me about the losing horse.
I would have good info from 2 nh and 1 flat yard....horses in 2 of them and rent property to the other...........Most people on here are spoofers but get lucky now and again.

When i go into my local i am frequently asked for tips, some win most lose,you know even if you gave them four winners in a row when the fifth went down you are going to be slagged thats the nature of the beast.Your post about Mount Benbulben are the ones i like,i was in Thurles the day he won his bumper i didnt back him but i laid the Mullins favourite for more than usual as i knew there was some opposition because of that post.

Actually Gant i agree you're very good as well all joking aside. You should have posted mate don't mind the knockers and btw i am sure it's not me your talking about !!!

Rocketfingers.........In one particular yard the staff get a good laugh out of reading posts on this and the horse racing forum........an unbroken 3 year old by Milan called rocketfingers you never know........owned by a GAA club syndicate from Meath.

Please god not a syndicate made up of galiban members

I have raced on and off for the last 40 years,after a bad run i would go to ground lick my wounds and recuperate and then return.One thing i noticed was that very few of the so called successful punters hung around too long,leading me to believe that the real test of success is longevity.
Now at the risk of annoying the snipers the best punter on here is Workrider.He bets in hundreds and has a Betfair account for nine years and it is this longevity that proves the point.

Having a betfair account 9 years means nothing........winning is all that counts.

biggest loser in the world could have a betfair a/c...and he might have a zero balance for 8 yr...so it means zilch..the biggest winners dont post on forum...thats for certain..

If workrider is the best punter on here then I am the Shah of Iran.

I'd say that longevity and size of stake has nothing to do with it. The real figure that sounds the men from the boys is profit on turnover, year in year out.

for once id agree with the galway man!!..

Is Rita Shah a relation of yours thegalwayman?

The question was who is the best punter on this forum.One thing we do know is Workriders account is active because he posted some of his bets also Satellite Flight confirmed he bets in hundreds and is relatively successful.When i first came on here i could not understand the way he was pilloried by a certain group and i read his posts the soccer and golf stuff were of little interest to me but his racing posts are perceptive and i think he is well able to read a race.His trip to Tinahealy where he spotted the potential of Mount Benbulben has to be the most successful thread this year.

Workrider should enter the next tipping copetition along with your good self wildchild.

Wonderful sport to be had.

[:D]

I am demented drawing peoples attention to the high standard of tipping in the last competition and i will say it again it was incredible.Pricewise made his name by picking some long priced winners but he would generally pick his own price imagine if the lads in the tipping competition were able to pick the highest price available their profits would be astronomical.As for me entering, if allowed i would give it a go,without much expectation of doing well.

You are that.

Moneypenny runs an open house. All are welcome. Tipping at SP is a bugbear but the option to select best early prices was abused in the past.

At the end of the day, you still need luck on your side.

thanks for that vote of confidence wildman ... but sadly i have to agree with most on here ..i would not be the best punter by a long chalk ...i am lucky or some would say unlucky enough to know many top trainers and jockeys ...those who know me personally will verify that ...i have the phone numbers of most of these ..but i seldom if ever use them...i was pro for about a year going racing all the time ...sadly for me i was unable to maintain disipline and so suffered heavy losses ...as someone pointed out its about NOT posting on here that is the sign of success....

Jeez about a year is not a long time WR, what was your downfall listening to jockeys and Trainers? Or just over betting things? Or a combo of both. And were you losing money or just simply not making it if you don't mind me asking?

combination of a lot of things rocket ,as a doggie man i was owner , trainer, breeder, on dogb , punter , we would get talking as doggie men do and all of a sudden you'd hear this was fancied that was fancied etc etc...a lot of nights you would end up punting your mates dogs ..not something i'd recommend ..i was gambling big time for years on the dogs ..had many good times as well as bad ...got out of the dogs altogether about 5 yrs ago...
have been a horse punter most of my life.. took early retirement in 1999 in my early 40s and went pro ...was pro on and off since ...the reply below should have read a couple of years ...disipline went after a couple of years and i suffered the conceiquences ...i found i would find it hard to leave the comfort and warmth and go and look at the horses in the parade ring ..therefore i missed things i would normally see and avoid betting those horses ..again i found i was relying on trainers and jockeys information..not a good thing to do either ..finally i started to chase my loses which ended up with me losing all my disipline..so mostly i come on here now and try make a crust...

Dya know what workrider, I'd maintain that for the interest and buzz horses give a fella, its worth taking the loss over the period of a punting life. I work a bit in a pub and I'll tell ya theres fellas there, relatively young men who have taken early retirement/redundancy and they don't seem to know what to do with themselves, smoking and drinking from 4 in the afternoon till close hardly saying a word to one another. An extreme gambling problem will finish a fella quicker than anything, but its easier listen to a fella talk horses than give bar room economic analysis any day of the week.

Dya know what workrider, I'd maintain that for the interest and buzz horses give a fella, its worth taking the loss over the period of a punting life. I work a bit in a pub and I'll tell ya theres fellas there, relatively young men who have taken early retirement/redundancy and they don't seem to know what to do with themselves, smoking and drinking from 4 in the afternoon till close hardly saying a word to one another. An extreme gambling problem will finish a fella quicker than anything, but its easier listen to a fella talk horses than give bar room economic analysis any day of the week.

well neill d ...lots of guys would would be taking redundancy or even find themselves forced to take it ..imo staying in a pub all day and gambling is a sure way to the poor house ...even as i said i'd have lots of info and was punting my own dogs a lot of the time ..on the racecourse i was never short of info or tips if you like ..but once i started getting lazy i was in big trouble stright away...

Interesting stuff WR, cheers for sharing it.

Busy day on here I see!
Thanks for the couple of mentions but I`ve just slightly more savvy than your regular mug punter and all the ill discipline!
The past Winter has made me accept one thing. I am now officially clueless at the NH game. The complete obsession with Cheltenham has made it impossible for me to predict. A bleak period.
Thankfully I`ve had a dramatic change in fortune since the start of the turf flat and I still like to think I can spot a decent flat animal when I see one.
There are some fascinating characters on this forum. I really wouldn`t have a clue who`s the king but the one man who lays his money where his mouth is and comes up trumps more often than not on a variety of sports is BJG.
We can all learn a thing or 2 from each other btw. Nobody knows it all.

it must surely be wildmanfrombornio, a man so feared that Victor Chandler apparently refused a 100 quid bet off him in the Galway ring.

Wildman has been described as the punter Johnny Dinneen wished he could be. Allegedly Paddy Wilmott rings him twice a day for his card he is THAT GOOD.

Oh were it so.I think you should invert the two names on your second line.

wildman, I am prepared to bury the hatchet in this argument as I really would like you to stop following me on threads that have no relation to this subject (ie draw thread on Horse Racing)

Life is too short, and its sunny out!

Do you accept this forum handshake?

Certainly.Your last post i took as humerous.

I actually meant first post,one at 11;26.

The only criteria which should be applied to a topic like this is profitability . Anyone who consistently , regularly , unfailingly manages to make a profit is in the running .  If they have been doing it for years and years you have to take your hat off to them .

People who fit in this category in my experience are wise , extremely disciplined , never chase losses ( always another day ) , have their ear to the ground , and have a touch of luck allied to good judgement  associated with their opinions .

Generally they dont have time to engage in forum banter or post their tips ( why let anyone else know your thoughts when you know they yield you a profit , get real , those with genuine info would be idiots to be posting that info on here ) . Except for back slapping .

Twice in 10 years I have posted "inside" info on here , shortly before the off when I knew connections had got their money on . 50 years plus of experience has taught me never to disservice the owners / trainers / jockeys involved . Both won easily . It went unnoticed and even  drew some snide comments . That was the end of that , better things to do with your time .

The quiet guy walking away from the bookie with his pocket full of money is the guy you are trying to pin down . But you wont find out in open forum .

One of every 280 Betfair customers are in profit and the question was who is the best punter on the forum,thats why i still think Workrider,despite his protestations,fits the bill.He may not be winning but he is not losing much and has been doing this a long time to not inconsiderable stakes thats an achievement.
Bigwillystyle thinks he is successful but he wont last long his temperament will let him down,his acolytes dont bet in big enough stakes to be included.
There is something sad and sneering in Kellys post.The way he looks down on people who post here is surprising considering he has made 1081 contributions of his own,he completely misses the point about posters on here when he talks of his inside info no one wants that they want reasoned opinions and then they can make up their own mind,its only Bigwillystyle that baldly puts up selections with no analysis.

wmfb, id say ud be a great man in the pub for banter and the likes

So you are saying that the best punter on the forum is someone that is losing very little over a long period of time? That is some conclusion to reach.

I have no idea what workrider's p&l is. It is the basis for your conclusion which is baffling.

Read the first line of my last post thats the stat you are up against.Also have you ever read anyone on here complainng about the premium charge...no  because they are not paying it.Last year i was hit with the premium charge and promptly went on a soul destroying losing run when i requested it back was told it doesnt work that way.

wmfb, im no expert but i think that its 2% of people on here that are winnin

You could be right i was given my stat by well known professional Sidney Greenstreet.
Are you not surprised no one complains about the premium charge?

jaysus i heard of an all green book but a 'greenstreet', betcha hes one on the 2%[;)]

I omitted Norn Iron which I wish to correct as I think he is also very sharp......and he did give us all Cue Card as a lay at Cheltenham [;)]

So now I am sad and sneering .

Unfortunately that bears out my post about getting no thanks for posting genuine information , in fact what was tantamount to begrudgery  at the time .

I re-iterate my thesis that the real pros dont have time for forum banter , they are too busy making money .  When I see the number of posts some people make on here I know they are not in the process of making  money , they are just airing their views or possibly trying to flex the markets . 1081 in 10 years hardly seems excessive to me , and analysis would show that 90% of my posts were in non premium time .  Most of my posts were in golf forum .

Re premium charges , a lot of the bigger punters disappeared elsewhere I suspect rather than pay punitive penalties for successful punting . Once upon a time I was in the top 1.8 % of profitable punters on Betfair  , but premium charges inclined me to different strategy .  I do not expect ever to pay premium charge now as I have lifetime losses on here  , mainly thanks to Tiger , God bless him . And  my turnover is way down on here , less than 10% of what it used to be .

Kelly i live and breath of the snippets of info WR, Wildman, BWS, Norn throw to me adn so do many others and i can tell you i never seen you give a tip mate. Give your tips if you wish to be considered and top punter if not how can people judge you?

RF, in one idiotic post, you have proved Kelly's point in a nutshell.

I'm sure he won't sleep tonight at the prospect of the resident "brain trust" on here
doubting his punting prowess...

Steeringjob please don't come on here thinking you are a good punter :D

Any horse racing pro that does not know the arkle and the champions chase are run over the same distance can't be considered and should not even be posting on the thread, clown

Sarcasm clearly lost on you on that thread.

I pay little heed to the likes of an intellectual pygmy such as yourself in any event, when you
continually beg for "tips" on a daily basis upon this forum.

As others have alluded to throughout this forum, it is a cabal of idiots driving genuine discussion
away, with the upshoot being that this forum, previoiusly being the best output for betting discussion in the country.

Over 'n' out.

You never contribute anyways Steering so yolu're like me looking for tips to get rich, we are the same mate a pair of mugs.

bigwillystyle is the best punter on here

c o c k measuring thread surely. i thought the irish forum was beyond such drivel.

with a name like you have id  have thought  you would be embarrased to post.!if you dont like the forum why dont you just fcuk off and dont read it?would that make any sense to you?

yeah ok, good luck.

As a matter of interest kelly. How did you go from the top 1.8% of succesful punters on here to having a lifetime loss?
That`s some run of bad luck!

Tiger , giant strides .  Backed him very large 3 times in a row at over the odds  , laid him back mainly on here , 3 times in a row he won .  Took me from substantial lifetime winnings to a reasonable lifetime loss .

As I say , God bless Tiger , only golfer you could ever depend on to deliver the goods when he was in top form .  Miss him bigtime now , picking a golf winner is like throwing darts blindfold . Dont think I have backed a golf winner for donkeys , although I usually make a few bob trading .  Backed Sergio and Padraig this week , Padraigs play was a disgrace for a 3 times major winner , 12 behind guys barely better than journeymen , and him coming up the last hole with a big smile on his face . If that had been me it would have been a scowl , but maybe the younger generation are different .

That is tough Kelly. He was some machine a few years back. May never see the likes of it again.

kavvie, thats fair ignorant fella...

Do you think the technology in clubs is bringing the players closer together Kelly?

neill d , technology has made it easier to bash the ball 300 yards .  Loads of guys in my local club can smash the ball way down the fairway , but they cant play golf , not as I know it .  The best natural golfer I think I ever saw was Seve , learnt to play the same way I did , playing over sandhills and beachside conditions ( but not on a course necessarily ). Seve could set up for any shot , guess he invented practice routines to spice up practice when he was young .  Stood to him .

The younger guys nowadays grip it and rip it generally , but there is a lot less consistency in their efforts , partly explains the "strange" results we have been experiencing largely since Tigers dominance ceased .

Would love to see some of the "modern " players coping with the 1.62 ball and without a plethora of wedges and rescue clubs . Nowadays the tournament winners are those who putt best , was not always so . Fred Daly used to win a lot of tournaments but he was one of the least impressive putters you ever saw .

why is it ignorant reve?did you read his "contribution"above mine?...i thought he got away lightly..i think the whole thread is quite enlightning and intresting....so i told him if he didnt like it to go away?

entitled to his opinion surely...? or maybe he was referring to the post above that...?

kavvie wasnt on the thread even when ilwab typed

Thanks Kelly, interesting stuff.

Plenty who can talk a good game on here these days,plenty of interesting reading on this forum as well but im a big fan of the old adage "those who know dont tell and those who tell dont know"

There are some good judges though,dont get me wrong,two who spring to my mind are the gotchee and down all star.

I get the odd bit of info but would be inclined not to post it on here as i know theres plenty of snidey bookie employees who read this forum scanning for info (ie Win only Sp only and Tradefair and others im told who read here before framing their prices)Why spill the beans/give your opinion on here and in the process destroy your own price?

its ok fellas! :D

i wouldve put up a bigger fight and destroyed the bum but i was worn out bludgening eric morris.

yes i was of course refering to  the above post  referencing 'bigwilly'style...'c o c k measuring'.

i claim full responsibility, i put the line down and kavvie chomped down on that juicy worm like there was no tomorrow, no 'hard feelings' 'big man'

night all.

no doubt daisycampb the best punter

posting on this forum as he KNOCKS

if he calls it wrong

rugby - bjg, ponies - soapp.

It just came to my mind, whatever happened to Blessington.

He was brilliant on the cycling golf etc.

think he went purple soapp last i remember , chased off by commission and the gobsh ites , he was a good bit ahead of those that frequent nowadays

Chased off by commission....in other words losing,and that makes my point.The more i read on here the more convinced i am its Workrider.He is a substantial punter races in Ireland and England plus greyhounds punting away.He is not personally wealthy so how does he fund it,answer is he doesnt he is not losing.
There is an idea that there are silent professional punters on here cleaning up,i very much doubt it.No one complains about the premium charge why? i suggest its because they are not paying it.

Can you please clarify the inconsistency in your last comment?

Blessington cleared off because of the commission - This would suggest that he had cause to complain about the premium charge and instead of moaning on a forum, he took positive action and transferred his funds.

Yet you describe him as a loser?

Tobywong stated Blessington was chased off by commission no mention of premium charge.I have never known someone who is winning stopping... never.Is it not fair to assume that he was not winning why else would he leave.I have gone racing for years in Britain and Ireland with different people and it was always losing that caused them to stop including myself.

He probably was winning, got p|ssed off with having to pay premium charge and went elsewhere, where he had to pay less commission.

He always seemed very clued up and was an excellent poster on this forum

He would have predated the premium charge.

He did not predate the charge.

He had a long thread about it on here when it was introduced.

Who said he stopped anyway?

He moved his funds. He did not stop.

You make an awful lot of assumptions.

He is worse than a woman for gossip and stories.

Tobywong said he stopped.Moving funds is de facto stopping but accept it is probably unfair to mention someone not here.I dont understand all the anger,what is it about Workrider that causes such jealousy, i am only giving an opinion disagree if you like its such that make discussions.

What is it about Workrider that causes such jealousy I hear you say..............I will put it to you this way he wasn't always Mr. Niceguy......when I started to use this forum it was like a warzone between loi and GAA fans.........sadly alot of the good posters stopped.

So gant seeing that you joined 2 years before me i'm glad you have admitted that i don't cause any of issues you refer to. I still refuse to join either side i'm glad just sit on the fence and observe and call it as i see it much to both sides annoyance.

We know where your colours are hung.........you have taken the heat off a few in your time.

He is still the best punter on here.You have to admire his idyllic lifestyle,racing,golfing and travelling the country following Shamrock Rovers he must be doing something right.

Yes he's retired.

I will be one of the first men in the gate at Sligo v Leitirm next weekend gant, i firmly sit on the fence on these football v GAA arguments. What went on between yourself and WR was simply an Irish version of Piers Morgan v Robbie Savage, totally cringe-worthy stuff !

I won't be driven away as easily as others.

Good man Gant you stand up for yourself !!!

Goal for City....get in.

Have a few bob on them myself, Quarter of a miilion a week pretty much for the goalscorer, crazy money

gant..... i started my own business in 1999....but i must admit i've taken things easy for the last couple of years.... and yes some would say i've retired   ....

There is no anger on my part with regard to workrider. I was chatting about Blessington.

I have no idea who is the best punter on here and it does not matter to me one jot how anyone is doing other than myself.

I accept that,its only a bit of gas really.

Gas...and the price of it.....

Rocketfingers before leaving the Bookies this evening i'd a 3 figure bet on Leitrim to take Sligo next week...watch this space - 5-1 ridiculous price against a team relegated.... for my mind Sligo always better against stronger teams and as underdog

Wonky is a jigalo ! high end stuff...think of Richard Gere and that's wonky with a little less hair !!!

Swinia how are you my friend?

all good !!! you?

All good mate thanks, for sure we'll stay in touch

swinia you promised not to tell.....

F.A.O Swina

Rocketfingers
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Did not see the Indo on Monday, anybody know if the RP is producing the goalpost this year?

Anyway looking through the early matches and i can't believe the some of the prices are that short, Sligo are as short as 1/7 to beat Leitrim? Sligo were beaten by Clare the other week in a challenge game by 4 points i think. I know they performed poorly in the league but even so surely the price is not right. It will be Leitrim +6 points, a big enough handicap to overcome considering Sligo have no Johnny Davey or more important no David Kelly. Longford only beat them by a point but Leitrim outscored them, they beat Roscommon by a point.

By the way they are 11/2 in a spot Swina