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Ireland: 15 Luke Fitzgerald, 14 Fergus McFadden, 13 Brian O'Driscoll (capt), 12 Gordon D'Arcy, 11 Keith Earls, 10 Jonathan Sexton, 9 Tomas O'Leary, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 David Wallace, 6 Sean O'Brien, 5 Paul O'Connell, 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 Mike Ross, 2 Rory Best, 1 Cian Healy.
Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 Tom Court, 18 Leo Cullen, 19 Denis Leamy, 20 Eoin Reddan, 21 Ronan O'Gara, 22 Paddy Wallace.
Date: Sunday, February 13
Kick-off: 15:00
Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Referee: Dave Pearson (England)
Assistant referees: Wayne Barnes (England), David Changleng (Scotland)
Television match official: Geoff Warren (England)
France: 15 Clément Poitrenaud, 14 Yoann Huget, 13 Aurélien Rougerie, 12 Damien Traille, 11 Maxime Médard, 10 François Trinh-Duc, 9 Morgan Parra, 8 Imanol Harinordoquy, 7 Julien Bonnaire, 6 Thierry Dusautoir (c), 5 Lionel Nallet, 4 Julien Pierre, 3 Nicolas Mas, 2 William Servat, 1 Thomas Domingo.
Replacements: 16 Guilhem Guirado, 17 Sylvain Marconnet, 18 Jerome Thion, 19 Sébastien Chabal, 20 Dimitri Yachvili, 21 Yannick Jauzion, 22 Vincent Clerc.
Date: Sunday, February 13
Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Kick-off: 15.00 GMT
Referee: Dave Pearson
Penalties
(ii) Italy vs Ireland
Total number of penalties: 18
Italy: 5
Ireland: 13
Italy conceded no penalties in the second half.
The reasons for the penalties were as follows:
Italy:
Tackle/ruck: 3 (Sole, Castrogiovanni, Sgarbi)
Discipline: 2 (Sgarbi - obstruction; Dellapè - obstruction)
Ireland:
Tackle/Ruck: 6 (O'Leary*, Healy, O’Callaghan, O' Connell, O'Brien, Leamy)
Off-side: 1 (Wallace)
Scrum: 4 (Healy 3, Ross)
Discipline: 2 (O'Leary*, O' Connell)
(iii) France vs Scotland
Total number of penalties: 14
France: 6
Scotland: 8
The reasons for the penalties were as follows:
France:
Tackle/ruck: 1 (Servat)
Offside: 2 (Ducalcon, Guirado)
Scrum: 2 (Mas, Ducalcon)
Discipline: 1 (Harinordoquy - obstruction)
Turnovers per match
Italy vs Ireland: 5
Italy: 1
Ireland: 4
France vs Scotland: 3
France: 1
Scotland: 2
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Is it just me or is France (-2) possibly the bet of the year so far - Ire going to get dominated up front here and be on the back foot in the scrum imo
Am surprised O Leary and D'Arcy have kept their places for Ire but in D'Arcys case at least his handling cant possibly be any worse than it was against the Italians.
France were mighty impressive in the scrum against Scotland which included a penalty try at scrum time
If we concede as many penalties here as we did against the Italians there is only going to be one result - were 2 very contrasting games in their first round matches.
France showed some excellent handling on numerous occassions when slicing a much improved Scottish team open at will on occassions, where as Ireland were toothless going forward with constant overplaying and handling errors
I can see France being well on top in the front 5 here and that should set a decent platform for them to play off, Ireland will have to improve their discipline here or they will keep getting pinned back. France showed their offloading skills last time and in Maxime Medard on the wing they have a player who can score from anywhere on the field
Hope we put up a better performance than last week which wont be hard as we were very lucky to rob the win but i can see an 8+ points win for France here so think the (-2) is a crackin bet
Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 Tom Court, 18 Leo Cullen, 19 Denis Leamy, 20 Eoin Reddan, 21 Ronan O'Gara, 22 Paddy Wallace.
Date: Sunday, February 13
Kick-off: 15:00
Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Referee: Dave Pearson (England)
Assistant referees: Wayne Barnes (England), David Changleng (Scotland)
Television match official: Geoff Warren (England)
France: 15 Clément Poitrenaud, 14 Yoann Huget, 13 Aurélien Rougerie, 12 Damien Traille, 11 Maxime Médard, 10 François Trinh-Duc, 9 Morgan Parra, 8 Imanol Harinordoquy, 7 Julien Bonnaire, 6 Thierry Dusautoir (c), 5 Lionel Nallet, 4 Julien Pierre, 3 Nicolas Mas, 2 William Servat, 1 Thomas Domingo.
Replacements: 16 Guilhem Guirado, 17 Sylvain Marconnet, 18 Jerome Thion, 19 Sébastien Chabal, 20 Dimitri Yachvili, 21 Yannick Jauzion, 22 Vincent Clerc.
Date: Sunday, February 13
Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Kick-off: 15.00 GMT
Referee: Dave Pearson
Penalties
(ii) Italy vs Ireland
Total number of penalties: 18
Italy: 5
Ireland: 13
Italy conceded no penalties in the second half.
The reasons for the penalties were as follows:
Italy:
Tackle/ruck: 3 (Sole, Castrogiovanni, Sgarbi)
Discipline: 2 (Sgarbi - obstruction; Dellapè - obstruction)
Ireland:
Tackle/Ruck: 6 (O'Leary*, Healy, O’Callaghan, O' Connell, O'Brien, Leamy)
Off-side: 1 (Wallace)
Scrum: 4 (Healy 3, Ross)
Discipline: 2 (O'Leary*, O' Connell)
(iii) France vs Scotland
Total number of penalties: 14
France: 6
Scotland: 8
The reasons for the penalties were as follows:
France:
Tackle/ruck: 1 (Servat)
Offside: 2 (Ducalcon, Guirado)
Scrum: 2 (Mas, Ducalcon)
Discipline: 1 (Harinordoquy - obstruction)
Turnovers per match
Italy vs Ireland: 5
Italy: 1
Ireland: 4
France vs Scotland: 3
France: 1
Scotland: 2
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Is it just me or is France (-2) possibly the bet of the year so far - Ire going to get dominated up front here and be on the back foot in the scrum imo
Am surprised O Leary and D'Arcy have kept their places for Ire but in D'Arcys case at least his handling cant possibly be any worse than it was against the Italians.
France were mighty impressive in the scrum against Scotland which included a penalty try at scrum time
If we concede as many penalties here as we did against the Italians there is only going to be one result - were 2 very contrasting games in their first round matches.
France showed some excellent handling on numerous occassions when slicing a much improved Scottish team open at will on occassions, where as Ireland were toothless going forward with constant overplaying and handling errors
I can see France being well on top in the front 5 here and that should set a decent platform for them to play off, Ireland will have to improve their discipline here or they will keep getting pinned back. France showed their offloading skills last time and in Maxime Medard on the wing they have a player who can score from anywhere on the field
Hope we put up a better performance than last week which wont be hard as we were very lucky to rob the win but i can see an 8+ points win for France here so think the (-2) is a crackin bet
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If Italy almost get a result against Ireland surely France can 
then again i know nothing about egg chasing and it can't be that simple can it?
then again i know nothing about egg chasing and it can't be that simple can it?
Hopefully it is that simple , Im on -2 anyway - will take a massive performance from Ire to lift it after the Italian match
I nearly came in my pants when I seen -2 France. They destroyed us last year in Paris 33-10. Have we improved on last year? No! France usually try and kill the game before half time so plenty of oportunity to trade out if desired. France also like visits to new stadia.
Darcy is a class act, BJG. No real alternatives anyway.
I agree -2 France is the way to go.
I agree -2 France is the way to go.
That French side is different class. We are weak at 2,3,4 and 5 IMO. We will get pushed and dragged all over the place and O Connell and O Callaghan will give away their share of pens no doubt. Its not going to be a kicking game. France will have too much speed when attacking and may well intercept a couple of passes also.
France -2
Italy +23
Wales +3
Leinster -24(Fri)
France -2
Italy +23
Wales +3
Leinster -24(Fri)
Ireland have a chance if France don't try,the usual carry on.The handicap is minus 2 for that reason,if it was a meaningful world cup match it would be 22 points
Exactly itcanbedone,the French wouldn't care about losing to Ireland.If they did,then they never would.France are at the top table in Rugby along with NZ,AUS,SAF and England.The rest don't count,they just use them as a way of priming for bigger events,like the World Cup and tests against the three Southern hemisphere teams
Yeah, they were seriously primed for their game against Australia in the Autumn. And so primed for the World Cup that they have yet to win one.
When the world cup comes round,they should let the top 5 teams play among themselves,that would be a great competition.Ireland and Tonga and the rest of them should play in something like the Larry Murphy cup,and they would get a chance to play some competitive matches.Newmanix,I don't see anything wrong with a 22 point handicap,after all at the last world cup,France beat Ireland by exactly that,the green army amassing a large total of 3
I wanted to back Ireland this week because I thought that we would be getting 7 points and be 11/5. But France -2 looks like exceptional value!
This Irish team is a real disappointment and could be facing one of the biggest drubbings in recent years.We cannot win the line outs-2 barely fit players O'Connell and Heaslip and that bottler O'Callaghan with no Hayes to lift them against 4 of the best jumpers in the championship.Heaslip returning from injury will be up against the best no 8 in the world.The Hail Mary front row will be destroyed.David Wallace looking his age should not have to take on the French back row at his stage in life.What is Tomas O'Leary doing there after the disastrous season he has endured?How could D'Arcy be picked after last week .He shoild be dropped.He's clearly out of form.Amd BOD looks like he would prefer to be anywhere else than playing for Ireland recently and is more Huberman than Superman these days.The winger Earls is a centre as is the novice winger Mc Fadden and the full back Fitzgerald is a winger!But Kidneys real problems are on the bench.Apart from ROG and Reddan you wouldnt bring on anyone else.Poor Denis Leamy looks a pale shadow of yesteryear.He will not pull a game out of the fire.There should be some young talent here-Ruddock, Ryan or even Willie Falloon.And Paddy wallace?His time has long passed.Why not Nevin Spence or Andrew Trimble.Again apart from ROG this bench is built for defending a lead.What lead??There is no impact player there and the French have Seabass!I have a ticket for the match but this will be awful.I am afraid -very afraid-I can see this as the end of Kidneys reign.In his selection he has done an Eddie O' Sullivan.Why does this always happen to Irish Managers.Minus 2 BJG?Subtract a further dozen.
tbfmbl.. your last rugby nap came unstuck ....remember the last french team you tipped 
The thing is that the people who do the handicaps for these games are fairly accurate,they are obviously of the opinion that the French are coming with a carefree attitude,a couldn't care less experimental philosophy.Of course Ireland aren't within an arses roar of France,but when France are not trying properly,then it's likely to be very close
Yes I admit Biaritz v Ulster.But how was I to know Harinoridquy would limp on to the pitch at the start and limp off at half time,that they would pay Traille one of the great European centres at flyhalf even though he cant kick a ball and didnt although he had a hurricane behind him.That said Ulster played well against the second best French team.How many Ulsterman playing on Sunday?One-Best.And Kidney would have picked Flannery had he been fit.This side isnt going anywhere altho there are good young players who should be blooded-Spence looks **** a young BOD and remember what he did against the French as a lad.France -14.5 and The Listener double?Lovely.
Robo...I dont know where you get this idea that the French dont try in the six nations look at their record,however they do play the game in a carefree fashion.It is my opinion that the French are the greatest cheats in sport and i am not including Thierry Henri as that was not official cheating.When they controlled Formula one their cheating was so blatent it had to be taken off them.In horse racing they doped horses with impunity,hooked Stewards Inquiries i could go on but......never bet on French racing.
Wildman,I'm not much of a rugby follower but I like watching France play,a bit like Arsenal in the football.They both play the game the way it should be played.Ireland are the rugby footballing equivalent of Stoke or maybe Blackburn.They play trash rugby,they play to their strengths but they are not pretty to watch.As for the French being cheats I'm not sure I agree,they have a different interpretation of the rules as regards racing.Saying that they did hand a Prix De l'arc to Rainbow Quest when it wasn't really merited,and they did allow Dylan Thomas to keep one when he most certainly should have been slung out.So whatever their rules,you cannot say they always favour their own .As for doping horses,I think any nation involved in the sport will have plenty of people who are well capable of improving performances by way of medication.
I concede your points about Rainbow Quest and Dylan Thomas.My general point is it is institutionalised,the villains are the French authorities.In the fifties two French horses,Phil Drake and Lavandin,failed dope tests but it was covered up later on Trepan failed a dope test after the Champion stakes,i think he beat Cairn Rouge,the French authorities kicked up such a rumpus that the British authorities bottled it and accepted that the horse manufactured his own dope.I dont think you are interested in motor racing so i wont go into the cheating the French authorities did there.
The French are a funny sort of race,they simply refuse to learn English as they dont see the need to facilitate English speaking tourists.The Irish and English refuse to learn French because we are too stupid
Why would you call us stupid?French used to be the language of diplomacy thats long gone there is no need for us to learn French.France as a nation is gone they have allowed themselves be taken over by North Africans and if you think the French are friends of ours think again they hate us.
Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad and watching Irishmen who despise themselves and laud our enemies makes me think the Greeks were right.
Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad and watching Irishmen who despise themselves and laud our enemies makes me think the Greeks were right.
Kidney has stuck by certain Munster players who are not there on merit. Yes we have injuries but O'Leary and O'Callaghan should be no where near that team. I have to agree with a few of the points made about the selection and the stubborn refusal to blood youngsters. We have top class youngsters at our clubs, dying to play. He has done well in playing O'Brien at 6 though as I feared he was going to retain Leamy upon Heaslip's return. I fancy him to give the French food for thought with his running game and Heaslip had a great game the last time we played France at home we are not without hope.
I don't get the BOD criticism he was probably our best player against Italy.
France aren't the All Black's either
They are off the back off the Scotland game, they conceded three tries at home to Scotland. Scotland who are ordinary
Previously they played Australia who have a scrum nearly as bad as us and the Aussies ran in 7 tries.
I don't get the BOD criticism he was probably our best player against Italy.
France aren't the All Black's either
They are off the back off the Scotland game, they conceded three tries at home to Scotland. Scotland who are ordinary
Previously they played Australia who have a scrum nearly as bad as us and the Aussies ran in 7 tries.
French cheats?I knew that Michelle De Brun was French.
The only girl in the freestyle final that did not fail a drug test in training was Michelle De Bruin.In her we had a true champion but in subservient fashion we ignore the transgressions of others and concentrate on a dubious out of training drug test.Michelle De Bruin was the cleanest swimmer in Atlanta.
France -2
Italy +23
Wales +3
Leinster -24(Fri)
Can't be having any part of Wales with the player - coach back stabbing that's going on at the mo. Italy could be banjaxed after their excellent performance against us, will they fade badly in the last third?
The Leinster academy + foreigners versus Arioni some what second team is on thursday night,no?
Italy +23
Wales +3
Leinster -24(Fri)
Can't be having any part of Wales with the player - coach back stabbing that's going on at the mo. Italy could be banjaxed after their excellent performance against us, will they fade badly in the last third?
The Leinster academy + foreigners versus Arioni some what second team is on thursday night,no?
Wildman -your racism is pathetic.Go and take that chip of your shoulder.Are you saying its alright for an athlete to take drugs as long as everyone else is taking them?Whats wrong with North Africans.They win Olympic medals fairly-not high on pharmaceuticals like that disgrace De Brun.The French may not be the All Blacks although they beat them in the last World Cup but that back row line-Bonnaire,Harinordiquy,Dusautoir!I think I 'll double my bet.
Where is the racism in my post? How come Michelle De Bruin is a disgrace but Janet Evans is not could that be spun as racism,you seem to dislike the Irish.It was wrong of the French to colonise Algeria but it is similarly wrong for the Algerians to take over France.If you had read my other posts you would know i think there should be no sentiment in betting,my money is also on France.
One last question are you really from Matebeleland?
One last question are you really from Matebeleland?
France are different gear to this Irish side and their mood will dictate this result, I can't see one area where we are superior unfortunately.
red, yeah thats tonight thurs.
15: Isa Nacewa
14: Andrew Conway
13: Brendan Macken
12: Eoin O'Malley
11: David Kearney
10: Ian Madigan
9: Paul O'Donohoe
1: Heinke van der Merwe
2: Richardt Strauss
3: Clint Newland
4: Kevin McLaughlin
5: Devin Toner
6: Rhys Ruddock CAPTAIN
7: Dominic Ryan
8: Stephen Keogh
Not bad for an academy team!!!
15: Isa Nacewa
14: Andrew Conway
13: Brendan Macken
12: Eoin O'Malley
11: David Kearney
10: Ian Madigan
9: Paul O'Donohoe
1: Heinke van der Merwe
2: Richardt Strauss
3: Clint Newland
4: Kevin McLaughlin
5: Devin Toner
6: Rhys Ruddock CAPTAIN
7: Dominic Ryan
8: Stephen Keogh
Not bad for an academy team!!!
Didn't say it was a bad team. 8 of those guys are in the academy , previous performances from that line up have ranged between average and poor. Not one to be taking -24 in my humble onion
even though draws are quite uncommon in rugby these days, i think its quite possible this weekend, as the game will be closer than people think.
Ireland will have blown off the cobwebs from last weekend and should be much improved,
I remember reading that both France and Ireland have never had a draw in any 6 nations match
yes france are the better team but playing at home in the new stadium will have ireland fired up , and out for revenge after last year in Paris.
Ireland will have blown off the cobwebs from last weekend and should be much improved,
I remember reading that both France and Ireland have never had a draw in any 6 nations match
yes france are the better team but playing at home in the new stadium will have ireland fired up , and out for revenge after last year in Paris.
Bardo-you sum up the problem precisely.This Irish team has too many cobwebs and wildman-yes from Bulawayo in fact where the Holy Ghost fathers had us playing rugby.
No wonder you were whining about racism.I wonder how many of those great French rugby players are bulked up with some hidden help.
we often see a bounce from one 6N weekend to the next, some of which is factored into the prices. First 6N match in new Lansdowne road - not necessarily a plus for Ireland - we frooze somewhat in the opening match V France 4 years ago in Croke Park. Sunday kickoff not good either for home atmosphere and Dave Person (Toulon V Munster fame)could kill us at scrum time. All pointing to an easy French victory.
However, think there is a decent performance in this Irish side. They have been trying a different running game for the past 12 months and when it clicks, they will be a match at home for the likes of France. Saw 2 excellent quarters against NZ in Nov and some patches last weekend, despite the woeful finishing. France could be a touch complacent and if they dont totally dominate scrums and lineout, then we have a chance. France are far from unbeatable, and despite the Baba's style of some of their play last Sat, their Nov form was poor. Ireland at home at 7/4 is value against any side in the world barr the All Blacks and I will take a bit of that, particularly against flakey travellers like the French.
However, think there is a decent performance in this Irish side. They have been trying a different running game for the past 12 months and when it clicks, they will be a match at home for the likes of France. Saw 2 excellent quarters against NZ in Nov and some patches last weekend, despite the woeful finishing. France could be a touch complacent and if they dont totally dominate scrums and lineout, then we have a chance. France are far from unbeatable, and despite the Baba's style of some of their play last Sat, their Nov form was poor. Ireland at home at 7/4 is value against any side in the world barr the All Blacks and I will take a bit of that, particularly against flakey travellers like the French.
22-25 ft
Skin of the teeth win for h'cap backers
But how Ireland didnt win i'l never know
Skin of the teeth win for h'cap backers
But how Ireland didnt win i'l never know
'disappointed but proud', Tom McGuirk
Loser mentality still deeply ingrained in the Irish rugby psyche I see
Loser mentality still deeply ingrained in the Irish rugby psyche I see
basic mistakes still killing us. two real chances to win that game - overthrown lineout was awful. Hard to blame Cronin in what was his f first touch of the match for that knock-on. As the game opened up in the final quarter, was crying out for Cronin to be introduced earlier. Still some positives to come out of the match - we can still mix it at the top table in the northern hemisphere. We have finally locked the scrum, which has killed us over the past months/years and when Ferris, OBrien and Heaslip all fit, we have a back row that will compete with the best in the world.
Well done Bardo while the others may have won their money you were the only one to call it right.
I must have missed the last minute drop goal for the tie.
Bit of nit picking there,the general tone of the thread was that France were going to murder Ireland
Robo....Handicap should be 22 points
Theboyfrommatebeleland....Ireland facing biggest drubbing of recent years.
Three posters swam against the tide....Workrider threw in a word of caution....Squigs pointed out France conceded three tries against Scotland....Bardo said draw possible,game will be much closer than people think.
Robo....Handicap should be 22 points
Theboyfrommatebeleland....Ireland facing biggest drubbing of recent years.
Three posters swam against the tide....Workrider threw in a word of caution....Squigs pointed out France conceded three tries against Scotland....Bardo said draw possible,game will be much closer than people think.
The Original Poster tipped up France -2.
What are you talking about nit picking?
Head in hands man please.
What are you talking about nit picking?
Head in hands man please.
Read the thread again.BJG tipped France minus 2 but he said he expected France to win by 8 points or more,Bardos post was the closest to what happened you may dislike Bardo but you cannot deny that fact.
As an aside BJG posts on here are excellent he is one of the many good judges on here.
As an aside BJG posts on here are excellent he is one of the many good judges on here.
If Chabal hadn't thrown that stupid pass, the fight back wouldn't have arisen IMO, this was just a bit of the usual French flakiness, despite outscoring France 3-1, when the game was in the melting pot midway through the second half, we were driven backwards at every collision. If we meet at the WC, France will beat us more comprehensively. We need to kick more and choose our moments better when to go ball in hand, Sexton is well able to kick tactically, he should be allowe more rope in that area.
I salute BJG and admit my appaling lack of judgment in this matter.I went into Hacketts bookies in Sandymount but their prices were so appaling on the handicap for the enormous drubbing Ireland were going to get that I bottled my bet.Incidentally in that bookies in fashionable south Dublin there was a misspelling on the computer screen so that Ireland was spelt as they speak it there "Oireland".I got the impression that France were at half pace looking to the World Cup.They cleared the bench for no tactical reason but to give every one a game.Does anyone know what Ireland's policy as regards their bench was-presumably to keep it warm.Everyone can look to the future and the return of the likes of Bowe and particularly Ferris-but if any of the players on Sunday are missing there is no one to replace them.Lets hope Kidney now looks to the World Cup too.
tbfmbl...hope you're better at the horses than the rugger ...
For anyone that was at the match was there any tickets on sale beforehand?
Could be in Dublin the weekend of the England game and might chance trying to get a ticket outside.With the Championship probably gone by that stage would there be a chance of some spares?
Could be in Dublin the weekend of the England game and might chance trying to get a ticket outside.With the Championship probably gone by that stage would there be a chance of some spares?
Wouldn't think so. Will be a huge number of travelling English fans for whom it will be potentially a GS game. It might well be a TC game for us also.
Of course, you will always definitely get one if you want to pay for it.
That said, I find if you hang out at the usual rugby haunts beforehand, come across as a genuine fan, its surprising how often you will fall into a ticket at face value.
Of course, you will always definitely get one if you want to pay for it.
That said, I find if you hang out at the usual rugby haunts beforehand, come across as a genuine fan, its surprising how often you will fall into a ticket at face value.
Cheers ICBD maybe my best hope is that France beat England then the English mightn't travel in as big numbers without a GS at stake.
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