THE BUDGET

5% is a big hit to all those pro poker players out there.

another 4C on petrol, is that in addition to doubling of carbon tax or part of it

Live Coverage: Cowen is up speaking at the mo...Hope its his farewell speech, Deputy Stagg is trying to start a row...F... you Deputy Stagg

http://bit.ly/dEB0cN

on line betting tax?

ONline betting tax

2%?

How they going to get that one through?

betfair's problem i suppose.

TD's take 10K and Fat Brian 14K pay cuts

There ends any credability this budget may have had

Poor Brian Kavanagh will have to tighten his belt!

9/2 less than 45 mins was the bet

drink and cig's unchanged, can't beleive that.

This is the first of a series of budgets, give it time!

Sky news now

BE CAREFUL WALKING OUT ITS VERY SLIPPY

Yeah, Mary Harney spilled her kebab on the way in[:p]

Fook me, Doherty is giving it to Coughlan and Cowen big time

This new young minister tearing into that stupid old bag, as Andy Gray would say 'take a bow son'

He calls it.

is this lad ever going to finish

lol ur one is asleep

finally some sense in the Dail

she has taken it up the arrrse again

spread the wealth not Harneys hole

Coughlan is bloody braindead, well done Mr Doherty, an impressive debut [;)]

wd pearse doherty stick it to the cnut

Best Ive heard in that room

The boy done well!

budget wont be passed 1.01

It will be passed,the blue shirts will abstain if need be!

did that guy on the news just say that if ur on 30k a year u will up €21 a month?

yep .

Hopefully Pearce is just the first of a group of young hungry TDs-from all partys-that come through. Gotta say it's the first positive sign if seen or heard for months & has given cause for optism. Never thought I'd be saying that this evening!

Old Age State Pensioners get clean aay yet again. What a  joke of a government. Share the pain my whole

Sorry gents. When are all these cuts effective from please?

I would imagine from 1st January

Increases in petrol/diesel from midnight

Different parts from now till to throughout next year, most on 1st jan i presume.

Watching Primetime now. What an antique Jack O'Connor is. The public service will be slashed, just a matter of whether its year 2,3 or 4
Pensioners the same

Miriam O'Callaghan: "We all know Jack not all people in the Public service are on low wage"


Said without a tinge of irony from dear Miriam

Was just watching Doherty speech, was delivered well and can not argue with anything he said

Thanks lads. A few weeks respite!

"Whats missing from this budget Joan?"

Joan Burton: "Hope"

......No wonder Labour never got into power walofs

Hope and peace on earth (and not a job cut in sight). Labours guide to restoring an insolvent nation.

where can i see doherty speech guys?

How can a person on minimum wage be down over 1,500 more than a person on 80,000! This is a dangerous society we are developing!

Doherty speech on RTE.ie. I just near the end of it. A good watch.
He Lets coughlan have it early on

http://www.rte.ie/
news
/2010
/1207
/budget.html#video


dohertys in one of the links

Great oration by Doherty he did well, hecwas correct in most things he said, how come though he didn't point out that dole, pension and kids allowance is double that of the UK?

how did he restrain himself from going down and chinning that ugly wee toady b1tch?

Doherty was useless. Just ranted and raved and as per usual sinn fein, provided zero solutions. It was an embarassing rant.

maybe the solutions he suggested went over your head diamond

I thought it was an excellent speech. I totally agree that this should be a 6 year plan with first year cuts at 4.5b. Gives much better chance of growth.

In his speech in the Dail in response to the Min for Finances budget, he provided no solutions Zipifried. He took the cheap and easy option of having a go at an opposition member who will be contesting his own constituency. Everyone knows Coughlan is out of her depth, but he wastes most of his speech pointing out what people already knew. Even his own party colleague had to tell him to calm down at one point.

His rants may appeal to you Zipifried, but most people are more interested in real solutions.
He mumbled on tonight about taking money of high earners and leaving "The Poor" (A real over used cliche these days) alone.
Pity he doesn't realise after 2 years of recession that there is simply not enough of them left in order to fue his partys fantasy budget

Quoted from the Sinn Fein proposels in the Irish times.....

Instead, Mr Morgan outlined a six-year plan to achieve the target. He said the Sinn Féin plan was based on a prediction for economic growth of 3 per cent per annum

This country will struggle towards ~0.7% growth next year and they just presume it will average out at 3% over the following years?
Its not even worth laughing at.

and 0.7% is being optimistic in some quarters

Diamond' Joe Quimby - It does make sense that the dole payers, minimum paid, will spend all the money back into the economy. The wealthy will go on vacation 4 times a year, and we all know when you go on holiday, you splash out a lot more money. I would have liked him to go more into the  specifics of his cuts, like the 1b wealth tax.

It does make sense that the dole payers, minimum paid, will spend all the money back into the economy.

You almost make the dole sound like a profession in itself So the Government uses tax payers money to fund dole recepients so they can spend money? Surely you can see it would make more economic sense for these same people to find gainful employment at any level, in order that private sector companies(Wealth/Service creators) can pay their wages instead of the government.

I don't agree with the cut in the min wage by the way, but welfare has to be tackled. Its unavoidable.I do believe people have lost all understanding of what welfare is meant to be....to support those either physically or mentally (Both genuinely) unable to work long term and to support in the short term those who have lost employment.


The wealthy will go on vacation 4 times a year, and we all know when you go on holiday, you splash out a lot more money.

They could go on 10 holidays a year which i doubt but it still doesnt detract from the fact, their numbers have dwindled since 2008 in a  major way

Surely you can see it would make more economic sense for these same people to find gainful employment at any level, in order that private sector companies(Wealth/Service creators) can pay their wages instead of the government.

but the  majority of people on the dole want to find any means of work. The jobs aren't there.

Of course you are right (though i still believe there is a small element who still look down their noses at certain jobs) , but I still believe a balance of work incentive has to be introduced. Factoring in cost of living, its almost a loss maker at this point to go to work compared to staying at home and get the dole. That has to change and cutting the min wage was completely the wrong thing to do. In this atmosphere, that extra euro an hour will go straight to the employers pocket, it wont increase employment imho.

They should've lowered the dole considerably when the jobs were plentiful over the last 10
years to get the fookin scroungers off their ar5es.

There is an enormous amount of wealth remaining in the country est. 200 billion. As for non-domiciled tax exiles: tell them to pay appropriate level of taxes or take their passports back and tell them to fcuk off for good out of it. Bono that includes you you scrounger

chingachgook - I agree, and when we come out of the recession, that is when I would cut the dole, but not now when someone from the private sector has lost his job on around 40k a year, and with the unpleasant nature of having to go these social welfare offices, and some public sector cow asking him if he's looking for work - and to top it of, a cut in his dole before christmas. They should be going after middle to high earners who will still spend in are economy but maybe not as much in other countries.

His rants may appeal to you Zipifried, but most people are more interested in real solutions

it is not your ireland diamond,  look at the state of the place.  He had many points you fail to mention. Give them a chance, they are the only ones who speak straight, there is no miracle cure but i am sure the other parties will lie through their teeth to the gullible masses and sell it in a pill form from your local drug store at max rate without any reduction  with a medical card.  It won't work of course but as long as their is a fortune to be made and sure they can always convince the patient they are actually just mental so they won't get any ideas on resolutions of their own,  if that fails sure lock the scroungers up,  they know nothing sure.

Thats fair enough Zipifried, respect your point.

when we come out of the recession, that is when I would cut the dole,

but sad thing is the country cannot afford high rates of dole when unemployment is high. It just doesnt add up.

But "when" we come out of recession, the cost of everything will obviously rise again, because we live in an incredibly greedy country.
The dole increased year on year because of the cost of living here. It wasn`t just a property bubble.

In truth the Private Sector raped this country

How so?

Property inflation created a situation whereby those in traditional sound jobs were unable to afford to buy a house. Property inflation was driven and fuelled by the private sector through the easy, almost at demand request for outrageous sums of capital being met by an equally rapacious and avaricious banking sector. Jeez it was a double whammy for the banks, they lend to the developer at x% and to the borrower at x%plusy%. But all were chasing the same rainbow. Increased house prices and general price increases for everything provided by private enterprise led to a demand for unsustainable salary increases from the public sector who wanted to buy their own house and enjoy most of what their private sector friends were enjoying. Of course Public Sector salaries were increased in line with the already increased private sector wages so we could all go for multi holiday, second house syndrome and many other materialistic requiremnts synonomous with this country in the last ten years. Christ i'm off to bed and if theres no racing soon I'll start taking life a lot more serious. I'd rather not

^ pretty decent summary and nicely written

observerirl Joined: 30 Aug 02
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Perfect.

an irishman abroads view

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo&feature=player_embedded#!

http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo&feature=player_embedded#!

hes spot on.