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Once more unto the breach, dear friend, once more,
Or close the wall up with our English dead!
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility,
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger:
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favored rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect:
Let it pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o'erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a gall¿ rock
O'erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swilled with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height! On, on, you noble steed,
Whose blood is fet from fathers of war-proof,
Fathers that like so many Good Thynes
Have in these parts from morn till even fought
And sheathed their swords for lack of argument.
Dishonor not your mothers; now attest
That those whom you called fathers did beget you!
Be copy now to men of grosser blood
And teach them how to war! And you, good yeomen,
Whose limbs were made in Fethard, show us here
The mettle of your pasture. Let us swear
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not,
For there is none of you so mean and base
That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot!
Follow your spirit; and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Ruby! Ireland and Colm Murphy!'
Or close the wall up with our English dead!
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility,
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger:
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favored rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect:
Let it pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o'erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a gall¿ rock
O'erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swilled with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height! On, on, you noble steed,
Whose blood is fet from fathers of war-proof,
Fathers that like so many Good Thynes
Have in these parts from morn till even fought
And sheathed their swords for lack of argument.
Dishonor not your mothers; now attest
That those whom you called fathers did beget you!
Be copy now to men of grosser blood
And teach them how to war! And you, good yeomen,
Whose limbs were made in Fethard, show us here
The mettle of your pasture. Let us swear
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not,
For there is none of you so mean and base
That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot!
Follow your spirit; and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Ruby! Ireland and Colm Murphy!'
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Nor have I underestimated Detroit City. Where would he have finished in the AIG?
He does not have the form that Brave Inca or Hardy Eustace do. And anyone who mentions the 1l 4lb balls of a ride defeat of Hardy wins mug of the year.
Detroit City was idling up the hill and was worth more than a length in my view.
What form do HE and BI have that Detroit doesnt?
Eye Mall Inn wins the prize. The form of that race is not worth a curse due to the way the race was run.
why do you think the run of the race suited detroit and not Hardy?
It wouldn't have suited Detroit City either, my fellow Galway man.
In other news, a lay of Straw Bear tomorrow must represent the most certain 12.5pc on your investment of all time.
In other news, a lay of Straw Bear tomorrow must represent the most certain 12.5pc on your investment of all time.
Diamond Joe
Are you for real?
Brave Inca and Hardy have proven top level form. 3 Champions between them. They are the best around on form.
Detroit City has potential.
There is a huge difference.
Are you for real?
Brave Inca and Hardy have proven top level form. 3 Champions between them. They are the best around on form.
Detroit City has potential.
There is a huge difference.
Detroit quickened up, took lengths out of hardy and I fear proceeded to idle in front.
I sincerely hope not though.
I sincerely hope not though.
i prefer to evaluate this years form instead of years past when doing a race like this.
its easy to say BI won last years race but he went in that race with some magnificent form winning all his prep races bar one to solerina. This year he beats rosaker by half a length and gets beaten 3 lengths by HE, loses his first race of the season, and beats Iktitaf in a slow run 4 runner affair much like detroits win against HE.
I remember before the race that many were saying it had to be a stamina test for Detroit to win or else HE would do him for toe. It then turns into a sprint and a slow run affair and Detroit still does him for foot.
its easy to say BI won last years race but he went in that race with some magnificent form winning all his prep races bar one to solerina. This year he beats rosaker by half a length and gets beaten 3 lengths by HE, loses his first race of the season, and beats Iktitaf in a slow run 4 runner affair much like detroits win against HE.
I remember before the race that many were saying it had to be a stamina test for Detroit to win or else HE would do him for toe. It then turns into a sprint and a slow run affair and Detroit still does him for foot.
He beat Rosaker on ground that verged on unraceable. He hated every yard of it,**ed his ears, and did not do a tap in the straight.
He hammered Iktitaf et al that day.
Colm Murphy's horses were not right that day. Sher Why Not ranged up on the bend on the bridle looking all over the winner and blew up finishing last. The well fancied horse in the bumper the same day did the exact same thing. I thought it was all over when Brave Inca came upsides at the last, but Hardy ran away from him. That is not Brave Inca. I am of the opinion that he did not find anything when asked to go on in the straight, and confidently expect him to turn the form around later today. Big Zebs facile win on Sunday makes me even more certain. Hardy clearly has not had his season built around the champion as he has in the past.
Detroit City wouldnt have won that AIG if he had Zeus himself on his back.
He hammered Iktitaf et al that day.
Colm Murphy's horses were not right that day. Sher Why Not ranged up on the bend on the bridle looking all over the winner and blew up finishing last. The well fancied horse in the bumper the same day did the exact same thing. I thought it was all over when Brave Inca came upsides at the last, but Hardy ran away from him. That is not Brave Inca. I am of the opinion that he did not find anything when asked to go on in the straight, and confidently expect him to turn the form around later today. Big Zebs facile win on Sunday makes me even more certain. Hardy clearly has not had his season built around the champion as he has in the past.
Detroit City wouldnt have won that AIG if he had Zeus himself on his back.
Where does your idea that Detroit City will do Brave Inca for toe come from?
You'll sleep it in and miss The Morning Line at this rate tgm
DC is without a doubt a faster horse than Brave Inca.
6 hours is enough for any man to sleep.
This is like Christmas for a 5 year old. Who could sleep??
This is like Christmas for a 5 year old. Who could sleep??
Good analogy about Christmas tgm
Can you imagine Brave Inca slicing through a flat field off 94?
Can you imagine Brave Inca slicing through a flat field off 94?
This is of course the same Detroit City that Philip Hobbs thought was a staying hurdler at the start of the season?
Do not underestimate the pace of Brave Inca.
And yes, I can.
Do not underestimate the pace of Brave Inca.
And yes, I can.
This all reminds me of my Grandfather's attitude to De Valera. One was as blind as the other in the end, though my Grandfather had perfect sight.
I'd love the Inca to win but for the first time in four festivals he won't be carrying my money.
I'd love the Inca to win but for the first time in four festivals he won't be carrying my money.
Who wants to argue about Brave Inca vs. Detroit City?
I'll stay up all night until I convince the opposers otherwise.
The flat form argument is irrelevant.
Brave Inca has better overall form, better Cheltenham form and fitsthe trends and statistics better than Detroit City.
Who wants a fight?
I'll stay up all night until I convince the opposers otherwise.
The flat form argument is irrelevant.
Brave Inca has better overall form, better Cheltenham form and fitsthe trends and statistics better than Detroit City.
Who wants a fight?
The flat issue is irrelevant anyway.
Brave Inca has speed and class and is proven at the highest level. Detroit City has potential.
Brave Inca has speed and class and is proven at the highest level. Detroit City has potential.
Brave Inca has better overall form, better Cheltenham form than Detroit City.
Id question this ;)
Id question this ;)
He seems rather weak in the betting. Straw Bear must be the worst 7/1 shot of all time, he has no chance whatsoever.
How can you possibly question that statement?
Detroit City won a bloody Triumph! A decent triumph, but still a triumph!
Brave Inca has won a supreme novices, 3rd in a champion before he realised the hurdles were there to be jumped, and won a champion.
Detroit City won a bloody Triumph! A decent triumph, but still a triumph!
Brave Inca has won a supreme novices, 3rd in a champion before he realised the hurdles were there to be jumped, and won a champion.
Brave Inca has better overall form, better Cheltenham form than Detroit City.
Id question this
Question away please sir. Last years champion hurdle victory for Brave Inca is better than any single shred of form Detroit City has.
Id question this
Question away please sir. Last years champion hurdle victory for Brave Inca is better than any single shred of form Detroit City has.
He seems rather weak in the betting
what has he ever been strong in the betting?
what has he ever been strong in the betting?
you heard me?
You mean weak as in he's drifting from a percieved price as in antepost. brave inca does this more often than not, he is not your typical punters type of horse.
You mean weak as in he's drifting from a percieved price as in antepost. brave inca does this more often than not, he is not your typical punters type of horse.
Your question doesn't make any sense to me, ba
I envisage him to be fairly weak in the betting tomorrow as well.
I envisage him to be fairly weak in the betting tomorrow as well.
He's 6.2 to lay now, there is no chance he will be bigger than this at any stage tomorrow. I'd wager my life on it.
How will we settle it. Let's say the loser donates 100 to Galway Hospice?
The supreme was three years ago, hardly relevant to today.
Im not talking about the triumph either
i am talking about THIS seasons form
Detroits form is better than BI's no doubt
"won the greatwood in a magnificent time on good-soft
Beat Hardy hands down
Beat straw bear where i believed he idled"
BI=
"Beat Iktitaf"
"Beat Rosaker"
"gets beaten by Hardy"
Im not talking about the triumph either
i am talking about THIS seasons form
Detroits form is better than BI's no doubt
"won the greatwood in a magnificent time on good-soft
Beat Hardy hands down
Beat straw bear where i believed he idled"
BI=
"Beat Iktitaf"
"Beat Rosaker"
"gets beaten by Hardy"
he drifted when he beat asian maze as i remember
The greatwood is a handicap hurdle.
I have already explained to you the irrelevance of that piece of Hardy form.
Clattered the last and was all out to beat a horse with no chance in the champion
I have already explained to you the irrelevance of that piece of Hardy form.
Clattered the last and was all out to beat a horse with no chance in the champion
To dismiss the Bula form as irrelevant is grossly irresponsible.
It is irrelevant in terms of todays race. A race run like that with one horse getting 4lbs cannot be held to be relevant to a champion hurdle.
zzzzzzzz times 10. who cares? u all analyse too much. my gut tells me detroit, my wallet tells me detroit, and it will be detroit! discussion over tommorow
i am talking about THIS seasons form
Detroits form is better than BI's no doubt
"won the greatwood in a magnificent time on good-soft
The greatwood is a handicap. He beat a beast called Ameeq into second. This beast and run only once since, finishing a brave second in the volcano that is a Cass 4 Lingfield Handicap.
Beat Hardy hands down
One length, "driven", receiving 4lbs is hardly easy is it?
Beat straw bear where i believed he idled"
Believe what you want. He want to be idling finishing that close to straw bear.
I=
"Beat Iktitaf"
The same Iktitaf who has one 3grade 1 hurdles and has beaten Straw Bear 7lengths on the bridle?
"Beat Rosaker"
That day Brave Inca was definitely idling
"gets beaten by Hardy"
Yes, and we all know what a rag Hardy Eustace Is?
Detroits form is better than BI's no doubt
"won the greatwood in a magnificent time on good-soft
The greatwood is a handicap. He beat a beast called Ameeq into second. This beast and run only once since, finishing a brave second in the volcano that is a Cass 4 Lingfield Handicap.
Beat Hardy hands down
One length, "driven", receiving 4lbs is hardly easy is it?
Beat straw bear where i believed he idled"
Believe what you want. He want to be idling finishing that close to straw bear.
I=
"Beat Iktitaf"
The same Iktitaf who has one 3grade 1 hurdles and has beaten Straw Bear 7lengths on the bridle?
"Beat Rosaker"
That day Brave Inca was definitely idling
"gets beaten by Hardy"
Yes, and we all know what a rag Hardy Eustace Is?
I totally disagree and to speak of Detroit City having "potential" is quite frankly bizarre.
his time in the greatwood was very good on the ground, what he beat in that race doesnt matter to me.
no excuse can be made for hardy in the bula imho.
He has answered every question put to him and is a deserved favourite
Last year Incas performances were of top order in his prep races.
He doesnt have the same form this year.
Even if DC wasnt in the field, why would Inca reverse form with Hardy from the last day?
no excuse can be made for hardy in the bula imho.
He has answered every question put to him and is a deserved favourite
Last year Incas performances were of top order in his prep races.
He doesnt have the same form this year.
Even if DC wasnt in the field, why would Inca reverse form with Hardy from the last day?
Stable form, possibly. I look forward to seeing this thread in the morning, sleep well fellas
What he beat doesnt matter to you????
Mayor Quimby, we have been over the rest of your post further up this very thread.
Detroit City is 5. ergo he is open to further improvement. ergo he has potential.
Mayor Quimby, we have been over the rest of your post further up this very thread.
Detroit City is 5. ergo he is open to further improvement. ergo he has potential.
The same Iktitaf who has one 3grade 1 hurdles and has beaten Straw Bear 7lengths on the bridle?
I only regard this years form, not juvenile form.
That day Brave Inca was definitely idling
But Colm Murphy said that the reason for his aig defeat is he had a harder race than he had originally thought
Yes, and we all know what a rag Hardy Eustace Is?
Never said hardy was a rag. I think he will confirm form with inca tomorrow
I only regard this years form, not juvenile form.
That day Brave Inca was definitely idling
But Colm Murphy said that the reason for his aig defeat is he had a harder race than he had originally thought
Yes, and we all know what a rag Hardy Eustace Is?
Never said hardy was a rag. I think he will confirm form with inca tomorrow
not in that particular race it doesnt matter what he beat
as you state it is a handicap and it is his own performance i am interested in not what he beat.
Beating ameeq means sweet FA to me but his time and the manner he did it in do.
as you state it is a handicap and it is his own performance i am interested in not what he beat.
Beating ameeq means sweet FA to me but his time and the manner he did it in do.
his time in the greatwood was very good on the ground, what he beat in that race doesnt matter to me.
That's an interesting way of looking at form. I suppose when you trying to defend a 2/1 favourite who doesn't even have the best form in the race, the good old fashioned form book has to go out the window.
no excuse can be made for hardy in the bula imho.
Even if you're not a fan of the formbook (whichyou obviously aren't) 4lbs to 1 length is ambitious in the extreme. You will come back saying Detroit City idled whic is impossible to prove, so you'd have to say on the bare form Hardy is entitled to reverse form.
He has answered every question put to him and is a deserved favourite
Those questions were easy. A deserved favourite you say, considering he doesn't fit the statistics, doesn't have the best form, doesn't have the best jockey, doesn't have the best trainer.
Last year Incas performances were of top order in his prep races.
He doesnt have the same form this year.
And yet this form is still better than Detroit City!
Even if DC wasnt in the field, why would Inca reverse form with Hardy from the last day?
This has been answered already in this thread.
That's an interesting way of looking at form. I suppose when you trying to defend a 2/1 favourite who doesn't even have the best form in the race, the good old fashioned form book has to go out the window.
no excuse can be made for hardy in the bula imho.
Even if you're not a fan of the formbook (whichyou obviously aren't) 4lbs to 1 length is ambitious in the extreme. You will come back saying Detroit City idled whic is impossible to prove, so you'd have to say on the bare form Hardy is entitled to reverse form.
He has answered every question put to him and is a deserved favourite
Those questions were easy. A deserved favourite you say, considering he doesn't fit the statistics, doesn't have the best form, doesn't have the best jockey, doesn't have the best trainer.
Last year Incas performances were of top order in his prep races.
He doesnt have the same form this year.
And yet this form is still better than Detroit City!
Even if DC wasnt in the field, why would Inca reverse form with Hardy from the last day?
This has been answered already in this thread.
doesn't have the best jockey, doesn't have the best trainer.
You're getting in low blows now ;)
Id have Dickie to take Ruby any day of the week
You're getting in low blows now ;)
Id have Dickie to take Ruby any day of the week
detroit city layers are beggiing to bore me. open your eyes!!! i cant be bothered to help u anymore u deserve everything u get
how does beating rosaker half a length constitute better form :^0
To say that Richard Johnson is a better jockey than Ruby Walsh is quite plainly ridiculous.
Mayor Quimby, why do you wish to keep returning to points that have already been explained?
Mayor Quimby, why do you wish to keep returning to points that have already been explained?
Look at the overall form please, not individual horses/races where idling will not give a tru and fair view.
If you really want me to mention:
14l to Ameeq (beast)
1l Inchnadamph (weapon)
6 1/2l Whispered Promises (superstar)
If you really want me to mention:
14l to Ameeq (beast)
1l Inchnadamph (weapon)
6 1/2l Whispered Promises (superstar)
it was tongue in cheek TGM, just like BA's remark that hobbs is not as good as colm murphy was
even without the greatwood form the for od dc is better
Unbeaten beating hardy and straw bear
Inca-1/2 a length to rosaker and beaten by hardy
seriously who has the better form?
even without the greatwood form the for od dc is better
Unbeaten beating hardy and straw bear
Inca-1/2 a length to rosaker and beaten by hardy
seriously who has the better form?
and the form against Iktitaf was outstanding with silent oscar 7 lengths down
None of which by the way, have won a race since.
Ameeq - Beaten in Lingfield Class4 Handicap
Inchnadamph - Last of seven in a handicap before finishing second to Detroit.
Whispered Promises -Pulled up on his last start before finishing third to Detroit City.
Ameeq - Beaten in Lingfield Class4 Handicap
Inchnadamph - Last of seven in a handicap before finishing second to Detroit.
Whispered Promises -Pulled up on his last start before finishing third to Detroit City.
although i highly rate Johnson.
but as they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Tomorrow will unveil all.......
cant fin wait
but as they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Tomorrow will unveil all.......
cant fin wait
Silent Oscar finished 6 lengths behind them. They were level jumping the last and it's a short run in.
6 instead of 7
it hardly invalidates my point
you pointed out whispered promises, i just pointed out that inca had a very similar horse behind him in one of his prep races
it hardly invalidates my point
you pointed out whispered promises, i just pointed out that inca had a very similar horse behind him in one of his prep races
I think you given up Joe.
I think Rage Against The Machine say it best
BORN OF A BROKEN MAN
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My fears hunt me down
Capturing my memories
The frontier of loss
They try to escape across the street where
Jesus stripped bare
And raped the spirit he was supposed to nurture
In the name of my
In the name of my
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Like autumn leaves his sense fell from him
An empty glass of himself shattered somewhere within
His thoughts like a hundred moths
Trapped in a lampshade
Somewhere within
Their wings banging and burning
On through endless night
Forever awake he lies shaking and starving
Praying for someone to turn off the light
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
My fear is hunting me down
Capturing my memories
The frontier of laos
They try to escape across the street where
Jesus stripped bare
And raped the spirit he was supposed to nurture
In the name of my
In the name of my
YEAAAH!
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Goodnight.
I think Rage Against The Machine say it best
BORN OF A BROKEN MAN
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My fears hunt me down
Capturing my memories
The frontier of loss
They try to escape across the street where
Jesus stripped bare
And raped the spirit he was supposed to nurture
In the name of my
In the name of my
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Like autumn leaves his sense fell from him
An empty glass of himself shattered somewhere within
His thoughts like a hundred moths
Trapped in a lampshade
Somewhere within
Their wings banging and burning
On through endless night
Forever awake he lies shaking and starving
Praying for someone to turn off the light
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
My fear is hunting me down
Capturing my memories
The frontier of laos
They try to escape across the street where
Jesus stripped bare
And raped the spirit he was supposed to nurture
In the name of my
In the name of my
YEAAAH!
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, never a broken man
Born of a broken man, but not a broken man
Goodnight.
sorry to butt in lads but hardy was ridden wrong the day detroit beat him.and don't bother sayin that hardy would have given deroit a lead if he went from the front because hardy has won 2 champion hurdles and given the field a 'lead ' both times.personally i think brave inca can triumph again as i don't think he was on top form in the aig ,thought he folded tamely after the last which he has never done,stable wasn't having wnners at that time which it is now
surely evens to place is a serious bet,anywhere near his best and he's certain for a place
I'm with you on this. 7.6 and 2.06 for a place is**ers.
There backing detroit as if he's won already! One english winner and there getting carried away!
The english have lost the plot..........come on Inca you can do it
evens was a gift but fairplay to sublimity backers,i wasn't one of them but fair play to ye
Whatever happened today, Inca is a legend of a horse.
even when sublimity came cruising, he tryed to fight back....
Back horses like him at the prices and you never go poor
even when sublimity came cruising, he tryed to fight back....
Back horses like him at the prices and you never go poor
Well said joe.
(I was writing one hell of a piece destroying your reputation but you have redeemed yourself there)
(I was writing one hell of a piece destroying your reputation but you have redeemed yourself there)
A great horse and the prices were side splitting beforehand. 7.6 (BI) V 2.64 (DC)
It just shows the hype that can build up around a horse. Hardy got the worst ride of his life when beaten a length giving 4lbs to DC. 2.06 the place BI was absolute gift money.
It just shows the hype that can build up around a horse. Hardy got the worst ride of his life when beaten a length giving 4lbs to DC. 2.06 the place BI was absolute gift money.
I was shaking watching that race. An absolute cracker. Full credit to all the participants. 10yo and 5yo dont win the CH do they though?
Any thoughts on whether AM will turn out for the World Hurdle. Nowher near good enough for that standard today and probably wont get 3 up the hill imo.
Any thoughts on whether AM will turn out for the World Hurdle. Nowher near good enough for that standard today and probably wont get 3 up the hill imo.
Days after naming a new dog after the horse, Colm Murphy announces that we may see him this season. Call it fate, call it a sign, call it what you will. I choose to call it...
BRAVE INCA CHAMPION HURDLE WINNER 2008
BRAVE INCA CHAMPION HURDLE WINNER 2008
Whose this Brave Inca character?sounds like a facinating guy
Hope he doesnt run this season because it could be a sad way to end. He always needs a few runs to get fit & having been off so long there it no way he will be near the great horse we all love.
If he runs Id imagine its just a sighter to see if they will persevere for next year. Hes been such a great servant that surely the original plan to give him the whole season off would be best.
If he runs Id imagine its just a sighter to see if they will persevere for next year. Hes been such a great servant that surely the original plan to give him the whole season off would be best.
Pity they took the website down or you could have got the update yourself.
Once more unto the breach, dear friend, once more.
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