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100% coincidence that some of the benntest races in england this year have been in his colours, imo.
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How much did you lose?
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He is great for the game.
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**If youre an insider, maybe?
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How many runners did he have at Wolves today?
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Horse came to itself in the last 2 weeks, guv.
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JP doesnt train the horse imo
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Horse took a while to get used to the chasing game but came right for Cheltenham handicap.
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Are you new to this game...............?
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No im not. If I was does that make it acceptable? Do we turn a blind eye because he puts alot of money into the game?
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he went through the pains that every gambler goes tru an came out on top.
This may also help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oB-V2W6pdo |
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What a mug the racing post spotlight writer must be:
Getting worse if anything over fences and while return to hurdling at Huntingdon last time stopped the rot to some extent, he doesnt look a winner waiting to happen, especially in this discipline. WINS 2-1FAV |
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What was the writer supposed to say. He looked like a mule in his last few runs and didn't look like a win was in the offing. Hardly looked to have a chance before the money came.
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It was sarcasm.
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Wasn't put in the race last time.
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if i didn't fork out half my income in tax i could afford to have a sh1t load of horses in training too, not to mention the odd charity golf classic with my name plastered all over it
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JP is a hero in Ireland particularly because he beat the system and is a world leader in what he does .
I remember having bets with JP way back in the seventies when he was an up and coming bookie . Offered good value and courteous to boot . He finished up dominating the Irish ring ( along with a few others who could be mentioned ) but he quit essentially to move into other ventures as( I presume ) he figured out there was a finite end to what he could achieve specifically as an Irish track bookie , and presumably the off-course bookie business was of little interest to him . The number of horses and trainers he supports to various degrees is slightly beyond belief . All his trainers cant by definition be the best . He has a huge number of (pretty average ) NH horses , and it seems a runner in every other race we see on TV . He has deep pockets obviously , loves the jumping game more than anybody else on the planet ( except maybe for some posters on here ) and gives copiously --and quietly in a lot of cases - to charitable causes . His horses in my view run as straight as possible given the trainers handling the animals all dont sing exactly the same song . Statistically there are going to be anomalies given the scale of the operation , but horse racing / training is not an exact science . JP knows that better than anyone on here . JP can go anywhere in Ireland and get the respect he has earned . Pity he is not into politics as he could sort out the country pronto . |
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well said kelly.
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Kelly, I'm not one of those people that goes around knocking people just because they are successful, I respect JP for his success ( I auusme he is successful as he appeears to have generated vast wealth) but a) I'm slightly skeptical as to where and how he gernerated his wealth, all we here are gambling and currency speculation, he doesn;t strike me as a george sosros hedge fund type and so I find the currency speculation hard to swallow. perhaps i'm wrong and if so I'm happy to admit to that. b) I have a problem with people that "contribute" to charitable causes whilst avoiding tax in their home country. If JP pauid the same proportion of his income in tax as the rest of us, how much more per annum would the government have to spend on hospitals shcools and roads.
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Pots , no idea how much JP saves in tax by non Irish residency . However when you see what the Irish government does with the money it gets , maybe JP is the wise one .
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If I had worked hard for that sort of cash I wouldnt be too happy giving half of it to 'Them". Neither would most imho.
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Who IS happy paying tax.
Who wouldn't want to renege on paying their taxes Then you could donate 25% of gross earnings to various local charities and everybody thinks you're the big man. |
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Yeah but we're all too aware of what happens when 'they' are given free rein where money is concerned.
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So what.
At least Michael O'Leary stays here and pays his taxes like the rest of us. Owns a few horses too |
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his wealth leapfrogged when they devalued to Irish punt, can u imagine if you knew u could have a 5000/1 winner, how much leverage and money would u put into it.
He was world champion at backgammon, an used his strategy an risk approach skills on the markets. His principals as a successful punter was the bedrock for further currency success |
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O'Leary comes across as a smart cookie . But if he was operating mainly in Switzerland I guess he would not be paying Irish tax . There is no glory in paying tax . In fact it is a citizens duty to pay only the appropriate amount , a fact that escapes a lot of people . Dont know anybody who likes paying tax , anywhere in the world . And when you see ahd hear what governments do with it , you very often wonder !
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the wealthy hardly pay any tax anyway, they use the system.
Tax for schools,hospitals! yea sure! what about all the money wasted on tribunals an wages for that cowboy roddy molloy |
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An interview with the great man coming up in sundays rp with brough scott.
[ ] dynamic journalism [x] sycophantic interview Maybe he should ask him what horse has been hooked up for the festival this year - cheeting form students along the way - or if they have had the meeting yet to decide who wins the x-country |
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nobody llikes paying tax, and i'm sure we'd all much rather "donte" 30% of our income to hand picked charities an causes then have everyone say how great you are, how much of a generous legend you are, and then have a few "charity" events set up in our name. But if we all did this, the country wouldn't function.
Imo if you don't pay tax in a country you shouldn't be allowed carry a passport |
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they have its lami
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So , pots , I am not entitled to an Irish passport ? Dont pay tax down south , so by your definition I cant have one . Can of worms that !
The tax regime in Ireland from what I have gathered over the years , is flawed and the number of people who flaunt the so called rules is legion . Traditionally , few farmers paid tax , and the tax burden was thrust upon the white collar workers , identifiable and identified as having the capacity to pay . Benefit payments are way too high , a case of the government mis managing the" hard earned " it took from those unable to avoid / evade tax . The country is in a mess , approaching Greek tragedy . JP via his efforts is providing gainful / legitimate employment via various operations , plus giving us all an extra interest / piece of craic etc . His tax situation and his financial affairs are of no concern to anyone but himself and any authorities with jurisdiction rights over what he earns and/ or lives . Guarantee you he puts more back into Ireland than he takes out . The fact that most of his income derives from outside Ireland should be a source of satisfaction to most of us . There is a big world out there , and its up to all of us to exploit that . He does it better than most , so fair play to him . |
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I've heard some sh!te on here in the last few years but this gem is the steam on the dungheap :)
He was world champion at backgammon World champion, by the way. :D |
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What did Nelson Mandela do for hurling in Soweto ?
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Kelly, actually I agree with almost everyting you say. But I think that if you live outside of a country in order to avoid payingt tax to the exchequer, then you shouldn't be entitled to citizenship. It's not pie in the sky stuff either, this is the case in USA.
At a time when the country is in dire straits, and as you say the bill is being given to ordinary middle/low income mainly public sector workers, I don't think it's unreasonable that someone like JP McManus of Dermot Desmond be asked to pay their way too. Apart from the money it would generate, more significant would be the perception of fairness. If you're going to go after the nurse and teacher, earning 35k, married with 2 kids, in negative equity, you should also go after JP McManus. |
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^^politician imo
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