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All out marching wont get a reply until nearer midday I suspect.
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teachers have some cheek in fairness with all the hols they get
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guy on the Radio states there are many of them driving taxis as well as they have so much free time
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It depends how long you're in the job, not how good you are.
The gripe I have with public sector pay is that when they started their careers they knew exactly how much they would get after whatever number of years service. They then decided that they wanted to get more money as people in the private sector were getting more money. If they thought they could get more money in the private sector, why didn't they leave their jobs in the public sector & take one in the private sector? Instead they threatened industrial action, Bertie gave them benchmarking & most of them got raises of circa 20% that was not performance or productivity related. So when you hear a teacher on the Frontline saying they have taken a hit of 7% in take home pay due to the pension levy it must be remembered that in cohoots with Bertie they have previously sc@mmed 20% off the taxpayer. |
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BTW CD I'm reading Bertie's autobiography.
I didn't buy it, I borrowed it from the library. I'm just over a third of the way through & although I despise the man, I find my dislike of him waning. The thing is he actually doesn't stand for anything nor does he have any offensive principles. If a guy was a racist I wouldn't like him because he was a racist. If he was a **phobe, likewise. But he just doesn't stand for anything. He's a moral & principle vacuum. He gave no reason for entering politics except that his legs were getting a bit tired from palying football. He spent his first 2 terms in the Dail concentrating on getting re-elected, staying in power & doesn't mention policy @ any stage. He was just a political opportunist who just saw a chance to get elected, took it & then didn't really have any idea what to do when he got there. He's very much like a dog chasing a car. If one of them ever actually caught a car, what would they do with it? |
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The full on defined benefit pensions granted to public sector employees cost approximately 20 times the pension paid on retirement.
So lets say a teacher retires on final salary of 80K, they are granted a tax free lump sum of 120K (1.5 times final salary) plus a pension of half salary, 40K, for each year until they die, with an attaching spouses pension of half the teachers pension payable from date of death of teacher. The open market cost for each public sector employees pension package would be roughly 20 times the final pension. In the case above that would be 800K. All guaranteed, no risk to the employee. Madness. :_| |
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teacher in my local has 5 houses/flats, runs a shiop in town, and pulls over 68K FROM TEACHING, DISGRACE jOE!!!
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striking will solve it, well done.
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This has always been the case but nobody wanted these jobs during the celtic tiger.
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Did nobody ever tell the government or its employees to save your pennies for a rainy day like my mother did when I was a kid?
One of the greatest ironies of the ultimate mess that was the Celtic tiger must surely be bungling Berties government handing out billions of interest on SSIA`s, to encourage savings. But not bothering to do so for our country. We created one hell of a monster. |
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Gant that mantra means nothing. We are in the now as our leaders like to tell us.
Ireland is broke and needs to scale back salaries and benefits pronto. Across the board for all. |
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5 mile tailback going into Newry today, f*ckin **s
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Trent if he caught the car he'd slip a brown envelope under the seat cover imo.
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A woman picketing was interviewed on Newstalk and said they would be out again on the 2nd.
GET BACK TO WORK YOU FOOLS. |
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Teachers are seeking a two day action next time round on a monday/tuesday or thursday/friday...many of them have shopping in new york planned for this weekend...be able to top up their air mile points as well!
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Reducing public service pay by 1.3 billion because we are 'broke' yet billions handed over to Anglo! - the strike is about fairness. We have a rent allowance system paying millions to landlords while our public housing is chronically underfunded, we have a taoiseach paid more than the Chancellor of Germany and we have a health service being run by a politician without a party whose ideaology is to privatise the health service to make devlopers richer at the expense of the patient. Also for every euro the govt cuts from a public servants pay, the real cut is only approx 35c as between PAYE,PRSI, Supernnuation, Pension levies, Health levies and income levies the state already takes 65c of each euro of public sector pay. However the media does not like these facts to get in the way of their ill-informed witchhunt.
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it most certainly does mean something tony , i chose my job for the security simple as that .
the private sector was giving two fingers to the public sector as they pocketed large sums of money, and huge profits in the good days. now that times are not so good they want to see the pain spread. how very irish, i will enjoy the good times , but you can share the bad times with me. cant dither now , have my 2 hours on the picket line at 2 , at least the strike will be a show of discontent at those cnuts that got us into this mess , the rest just complain and bend over. |
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At least it wasn't a vocation for you like most of your colleagues tobywong.
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the days of vocation went out the window decades ago tony , keep up ffs
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ffs indeed. Hope you dont wear out too much shoe leather toby.
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dont intend staying there too long tony
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Your pay and benefits are way out of line with the current reality of our finances toby.
Think the job security will be next to go. A sad state of affairs that Fianna Fail have caused all of this mess. :( |
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what about all the benchmarking that public servants pocketed comparing themselves to the private sectorin the good times ???...now those same private sector workers are unemployed-down 50% more in some cases ........is this not the first part of downward benchmarking for public servants .?????
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The government is saving a fortune today on wages and utility bills maybe one day strike a month might be the way forward.
A few friends of mine that worked in construction can't believe the low wages some people work for. The government minds are made up and no strike will change it. |
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you have no idea of my circumstances or pay tony so mind your own fking business
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You (singular) are right toby. I was talking about you (plural).
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I cant underrstand people knocking the public sector, people who had the chance to get a government paid job didnt because of choice and earn far more in the private sector.
Now the country is gone downhill the same people are criticising the public sector because of their conditions of work Nothing was a secret ever , those people could have got a job in the public sector |
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The public sector was all for benchmarking in the boom times; well benchmarking has a habit of biting you on the arse when you're not looking.
I hope it**es down on the strikers. Anyone, public or private sector, who is out striking in the current jobs environment doesn't deserve a job. |
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if it**es down ill be heading home to a nice hot fire :D
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macrocky not knocking nobody.
Just simple math. |
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Tony i know people in the public sector who bought all round them, got paid 30 odd euro a hour , foreign hols, these people scoffed at the public sector.
Same people have lost their jobs now and are trying to join the public sector Some people love to play both sides |
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went down to be told that tui called off their picket as they had made their point , luvly jubbly
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bad day to be marching tobywong lol
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Macrocky, Public sector is now a closed shop with jobs embargo.
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Hope the go again maybe for a few weeks, about time somebody took on the unions, all living in dreamland. A few weeks without pay and we'll see how their appetite is
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great idea deise , im all for it
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People have been asking for months, they took on extra people in welfare to deal with increased workload as far as i knowPeople are always retiring , there is always a few jobs going
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It certainly makes great financial sense macrocky.
There will be plenty of vacancies with all the disgruntled public sector workers rushing off to Ryanair to enjoy some of Michaels legendary job satisfaction. |
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Apparently lots of IR guys havent been relaced , they have the highest drop out rate, the government are also paying off all public sector employees pre 1983 , they have lots of rights and perks, the old civil servants
The government saved stacks of money today, id say secretly they dont mind a few more blank pay days lol Id say brian lenihan and brian cowen have their mind made up Its the wastage thats crippling the country tony imo, there is so much overspending and stuff like the water leaking from pipes, the voting machines, paying idle hse staff in idle hospitals. Apparently they put valves on the wrong way in the cork sewerage scheme. I dont think they should hit the lower paid as it must be worth money to leave home and do a days work.If they hit the minimum wage they should cut welfare |