Tipperary to get 2nd all weather track/ plus Thurles to be replaced by...

[i]Threat to Thurles from plan for new racecourse

BY TONY O'HEHIR7.05PM 27 OCT 2009

THURLES racecourse is likely to close if ambitious plans for a new racecourse on its doorstep are given the go-ahead.

A group of private developers yesterday unveiled plans for a €460 million cultural, sporting and leisure complex to be built on an 800-acre site close to Two-Mile Borris, a village in County Tipperary just four miles from Thurles racecourse.

Aidan OBrien was among those to welcome the plans, which include Flat and jumps turf tracks and Irelands second all-weather circuit after Dundalk.

Butdoubts remain over whether the proposed development, the brainchild of Dublin-based businessman Richard Quirke, will be granted planning permission and a casino gaming licence.

If the project is given the green light, it is anticipated that building work will take three years to complete.

It appears talks have taken place already with the owners of the family-run Thurles racecourse, with a view to the track closing once the new facility is up and running.

Thurles racecourse manager Pierce Molony said on Tuesday:

casino, National Hunt racecourse, a 7,000 seater greyhound track, five-star hotel, a 15,000 seater concert venue - with retractable roof - and golf course.

:0 wow, i'll have to move up there :^0

A golf course??? have we not enough of em already

And at least 60mill to Lowery and his buddies

Great country

This would be class having an all weather track down the road( who the fcuk decided dundalk first time round.) but how is this gonna happen in the middle of nowhere?

Same can be said of Kilbeggan, Punchestown, Fairyhouse .....bring it on and f*c* the begrudgers.

Tipp is in the MIDDLE of Ireland ffs. (not all bog land :^0 )



ANYWAY the real issue here is Legalising CASINO's anywhere in Ireland full stop !

and nothing atall to do with new hotels, golf courses, greyhound tracks.


Side issues maybe
1. another 'all-weather race track' or
2. and more importantly, whether or not Sir M. Lowry can pull this off before the next election (has 2 years).

Yes the countrys skint and they are going to build a new racetrack,dog track,casino,concert hall,golf club,500 room Grade A hotel and best of all they are going to replicate the White House in the middle of it.The land is unfloodable(thats a new one on me),and the location is an automatic choice,wherelse but Two Mile Borris.They had a look at Kilnaskully but it didnt meet all the required criteria,but Two Mile Borris fits in beautifully with their plans.Cant wait till the casino opens,im booked into the "White House" the first night the all weather track opens,and im really looking forward to it.
What in the love of jesus were Murtagh and O Brien doing at the Horse and Jockey the other night looking at the plans for this rubbish?

more chance of me getting the ride off one of girls aloud than this seeeing the light of day.

had to laugh at lowry on the last word
cooper asked him 4 times was he getting any payment and he kept talking about representing north tipp and the people of north tipp trust him

White House, unfloodable, 500 rooms. White elephant, the man above will decide if its to be flooded or not though they'll have no trouble filling the 500 rooms on races nights with huge demand from inrunning hawks falling over themselves to get on the soft money gravy train

lol**gy. Heard that. Cooper referred to him as Fianna Fail TD for Tipp wherever too. Apt.

:^0

ah the ex garda. son went out with the "fragrant" ms davidson. ambitious alright. cant see anyone lending that kind of money

Whats the big deal about a group of private wealthy investors building a world class facility and in turn getting casinos legalised in Ireland.
God knows any extra revenue is needed at this present time.
To be honest cant see anything negative.
What do the normally negative people on here think?.

Jimeen stated What in the love of jesus were Murtagh and O Brien doing at the Horse and Jockey the other night looking at the plans for this rubbish?




Maybe their boss and his business partners might want to invest in this.

Maybe their boss and his business partners might want to invest in this.

surely they remember the phoenix park?

Phoenix park had no casino revenue to run the show.

The Phoenix Park was possibly the first major venue that the "Vegas Mob" had a very serious look at in Ireland.



Charlie might have been IN POWER (not sure who was the boss back then) ?
Can anyone remember who was Minister for Finance then ?????



Minister for Tourism might have a had an interest too ????






The idea was eventually shot down later.
(due to the scarcity of brown paper bags I tink)













(oops no aHern B-) )








































http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2008/02/03/story30156.asp

Gant07,
I would imagine that Murtagh and O Briens bosses are extremely unlikely to invest in a casino in Borris and Horris or wherever the **k this place is.Far from being negative,im being a bit realistic i would have said.The one thing that wasnt icluded in their plans and left me slightly bemused was a landing pad for a spaceship,because theres more likely to be a sighting of aliens than there is a casino in Borris and Horris

Jimeen, at this stage the 'Tipp Mob' are using this project as a sounding board for the up and coming Gambling bill.Create jobs and wealth. Vegas is in the desert!

Realism = practical = pragmatic = sensible though does not necessarily = negative. Forget about the casino and the hotel and the golf because I guess most on here are interested in Horse Racing and the country is awash with two of the former. Do we really think the local population will support this racetrack any more than they have supported Tipp, Thurles, Cork, Gowran, Limerick considering that the racing will be more or less of the Flat variety. Considering the enormous success with attendances Dundalk have enjoyed can someone set an index for the avg attendance this venue is likely to attract after its first meet?

What do you think the ave Att in Dundalk?

X A ROUF, No idea what the avg att in Dundalk is though i'd like to think its higher than actual though not nearly as much as was wished for in its pre conception days. Dont get me wrong im all for innovation and investment WHEN ITS WORTHWHILE. I would love to know how avg attendances at the old Dalk compare with the current.

close the 3 tracks in tipp and replace them wit an exercise track for ap o brien's potential stars

xis a ruof 31 Oct 21:11
Jimeen, at this stage the 'Tipp Mob' are using this project as a sounding board for the up and coming Gambling bill.Create jobs and wealth. Vegas is in the desert!

Hope your not suggestin' Tipp is in a bog.......LOL hehehe






































IRISH OBSERVER and others........

Your still missing the real issue........



CASINOS ! and changing the 1956 ACT

McDowell aims to end gambling bonanza
Sunday, April 30, 2006 - By Laura Noonan
Minister for Justice Michael McDowell has vowed to bring the countrys gambling clubs to their knees. For decades, Irish gambling clubs have operated in a legislative grey area because, unlike every other country in the EU, Ireland has no law specifically governing casinos.

Gambling is illegal in the state unless it is a game of chance, or partly a game of chance, under the 1956 Gaming and Lotteries Act.

However, so-called casinos have traditionally sidestepped the rules by setting themselves up as

Planning approved??

Plans for a €460m sporting and leisure investment, which include Ireland’s newest racecourse, were unveiled today in Nenagh in a development which is set to employ a total of 3,000 people during the three years of construction.

The 800 acre development is set beside the village of Two-Mile-Borris and will be known as the Tipperary Venue. The project will include a racecourse, an all-weather and floodlit course, a 500 room hotel, a casino, golf course, greyhound track and a 15,000 seater entertainment venue.

The chief investor in the development is Dublin businessman Richard Quirke, a former Garda from Thurles who is best known in the gaming industry as owner of Dr Quirkeys’ Good Time Emporium in Dublin.

Speaking at Nenagh today, Quirke stated “we are hoping that 80% of our patronage will come from abroad and 20% will come from home.”

Work is expected to begin next Spring.

Its laughable really given the current economic climate.
Two mile Borris aint ever going to be Las Vegas

Crazy but good luck to them!

Surely there is an ulterior motive to this?

CMIYC is correct . Its about the casino. The rest of it is smoke and mirrors . The Uk has already been down this road and rejected the idea of casinos as a means of regeneration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5298682.stm . Every chance it will happen if they get permission for the casino imo.

spot on grade .

another all-weather track building on the success of dundalk

G1,
"and more importantly, whether or not Sir M. Lowry can ,
pull this off before the next election (has 2 years)."

WHATEVER Sir M. Lowry wants, Sir M. Lowry GETS ! atm.






http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7264143.stm

On reading the above, we may also find a 'casino' in Kilgarvan ('JHR country') !!!

The developer, Richard Quirke, did not speak during a one-hour presentation to invited guests. Mr Lowry said he wished “to explain to the media who he is”.
The former Fine Gael minister said: “In these times of economic challenge, our country needs businessmen like Richard Quirke” whom he described as “a local man made good who wanted to give something back”.

A man who made his money from casinos now wants to"give something back" by opening another casino.

Let's hope, for all their sakes,that he never has a falling out with the locals

On a non-related matter,I'm sure Michael is looking forward to the forthcoming report of the Moriarty Tribunal.

will you have to pay tax on your bets

ah the ex garda. son went out with the "fragrant" ms davidson. ambitious alright. cant see anyone lending that kind of money

...an she taking hot wavin from the NAMA-bound Count of Carrick-on-Suir, Mr. J Ronan ESQ

"give something back".....


It's a bit like the TESCO slogan...

"Means we do everything we can to help you spend less ! " hehehe.

Just shows how profitable trading over-rounds are...willing to build an AW track/golf-course/hotel/helipad/15,000 seater stadium, etc...all so he can trade 105% games 24/7/365.

As I said on the thread I started on this topic, this will be 1.01 to go ahead...

I will lay you all the 1.03 you like.

Fine so, will take the 1.03 you offer [about this 1.01 shot]

Thank you

With the support of AO'B/JM/JPM; a former govt. minister, with a 'colourful past'; AND a former guard [I'm also thinking of the way in which a certain Dublin nightclub, run by an ex-guard, flagrantly breaches the late-night licencing laws...] = an absolute certainty to go ahead...

Mr Quirke has the old NEC factory on the market so clearly he is tooling up for this.

lets see the money the icchantika or will you back down , seems to me your a little generous the icc , surely you should have asked him for 3/1 for your money seen how confident he was offering 1.01 about it going ahead ?.... poor judgement imo .

WR.

Thank you for your concern!

The one thing that the last three years have thought me, is that greed, big money & "they" call the shots in this country.

A nuke going off won't stop this development going ahead.

sjn , saved yourself a packet there

a packet?!?

I would still BACK this going ahead at 1.01 [nap!]

what i ment was , i'm sure you been so confident , if the icc had asked you'd have backed it at 1.01 rather than the mouth watering 1.03 he's offered you .

All that grease, there will be a few slippery fingers about.

Several "beaks" must be wetted

any news re that bet sjn , or has the icc stopped communicating ..... ?

no word yet W/R.

he must have been blackjacked by the virtual dealer in  Dr. Quirkey's!!

How much would you like and how do you propose we settle?

There turning Tipp into the new Nevada, its madness I don't know where the capital will be sourced for this, and not sure how long this will take to pay for itself. They were talking of 80% of visitors being from outside Ireland, even in the good days the idea of attracting hundreds of thousands of visitors to a small town with a population of 502, seems crazy.

wow , he's serious sjn

Is it possible that this promise of jobs and revenue is being used to help force the government legislation and is just a smoke screen to achieve their aim?

*government to change legislation

yes

Will the change in legislation required for this Casino project to go ahead, in any way, effect the legislation required for the introduction of AWP machines into Irish betting shops ?

Viva Las Borris. It really doesn’t take much to cheer us up in this country so we were delighted to hear this week that the man behind Dr. Quirkey’s Good Time Emporium in Dublin is planning to launch an Irish Las Vegas. In Two-Mile Borris. In Tipperary.

Wipe that look off your face; people doubted that a two horse town in the Nevada dessert would ever make it as a tourist resort and look at it now. Richard Quirke, the real life Dr Quirkey, has shown a touch of genius by proposing to put a replica of the White House in his ambitious development. We’re so busy trying to figure out the thinking behind this that nobody has time to wonder who in their right mind would take a trip along the M8 for a night of sin in a massive casino attached to a 500 room hotel, greyhound stadium and concert arena to match the O2.

Time could change all that. Imagine watching local stars like Chris De Burgh, Brian Kennedy and Johnny Logan seven times in a row, matinee and evening shows, does it get any better? Then stumble out onto the strip – avoiding all the Irish journalists stumbling around on acid hoping to write Fear and Loathing in Two-Mile Borris – and head off for a night on the slots followed by greyhounds at dawn. Give us a few free drinks on the blackjack tables and, with the new blood alcohol level, people wouldn’t be able to drive home for days. It could well work; a truly Irish take on Vegas.

Which brings us back to sin. Las Vegas has a reputation in the United States as the place where every vice is permitted, so it’s crucial that what happens in Borris stays in Borris. Once this thing takes off, you can head for Tipp and leave your inhibitions behind at Horse and Jockey.

Sunday Independent Pat Fitzpatrick

The people of tipp need 24 hour boozing ......

gimme a monkey at 1.03

WHATEVER Sir M. Lowry wants, Sir M. Lowry GETS !

Cocaine, hookers and boxing in Tipp

"Arise SIR MICHAEL and......"

go talk to the new 'Minister For Sport' Mr Deenihan

The Irish Field / News / Latest News...KEVIN BLAKE: What next for the Tipperary Venue? on 16 September 2016...Kevin revisits the history of the ambitious project and asks if the climate might be right to re-launch the venture. Viva LOSS THURLES

Kevin must have had difficulty coming up with something worthwhile to write about. Pie in the sky stuff

Breaking news
The World Series of Poker will not be moving from its home of 47 years in Las Vegas to Tipperary.

Kevin must have had difficulty coming up with something worthwhile to write about. Pie in the sky stuff

Spot on.