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24 Nov 09
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5 mile tailback of cars full of Nurses, Teachers and other assorted bloodsuckers on the road into Newry today.
Couldn't even be bothered to put the bloated wages that ye suck from the ever full t it of the people back into the country that gave it to you.
Stay gone, ye selfish bas tards !
Couldn't even be bothered to put the bloated wages that ye suck from the ever full t it of the people back into the country that gave it to you.
Stay gone, ye selfish bas tards !
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im not stickin up for them but there was nothin stoppin the likes of us goin for jobs as teachers, nurses etc?
ha ha , idiots giving out that someone should buy something more expensive down here that you can save on up north. the same idiots probably buy imported goods down here 7 days a week .
yes imported goods that have VAT charged on them, that pay your wages ...
Personally , I'm more worried about the sinking ship aspect.
tobywrong
Thats not my point, you cret in.
Whatever the cost of things, its the absolute ingratitude for the fact that alot have jobs for life with a cast iron, gilt-edged pension and holidays that you would kill for that rankles.
They wouldn't stand out in the rain to picket but they would get into their cars and fo ck off to Newry for the day.
Even their unions should be ashamed of them, if that is an emotion that Union leaders possess these days.
Mitch,
The precise reason they have the wages that they enjoy is because others didn't go for the Public service.
The whole benchmarking debacle was linked to the following juvenile argument.
"I went to college too but the lad in my Leaving Cert class who did Civil Engineering is getting twice what I'm getting !"
Toys come out of pram.
"THATS NOT FAIR"
Money alright and smiles all round.
Well, the lad that did Civil Eng. is now on the dole.
Benchmark to that, you selfish bast ards.
Well I say boll ocks to that and the greedy moneygrabbing f()cks.
I've had enough of them.
My wife is a teacher by the way.
Thats not my point, you cret in.
Whatever the cost of things, its the absolute ingratitude for the fact that alot have jobs for life with a cast iron, gilt-edged pension and holidays that you would kill for that rankles.
They wouldn't stand out in the rain to picket but they would get into their cars and fo ck off to Newry for the day.
Even their unions should be ashamed of them, if that is an emotion that Union leaders possess these days.
Mitch,
The precise reason they have the wages that they enjoy is because others didn't go for the Public service.
The whole benchmarking debacle was linked to the following juvenile argument.
"I went to college too but the lad in my Leaving Cert class who did Civil Engineering is getting twice what I'm getting !"
Toys come out of pram.
"THATS NOT FAIR"
Money alright and smiles all round.
Well, the lad that did Civil Eng. is now on the dole.
Benchmark to that, you selfish bast ards.
Well I say boll ocks to that and the greedy moneygrabbing f()cks.
I've had enough of them.
My wife is a teacher by the way.
I WAS XMAS SHOPN IN LISBURN AN EVERY OTHER VOICE WAS SOUTHERN SO MAYBE THEY ALL UP GETTING THE XMAS BARGAINS IN M&S & SAINSBURYS AN Y NOT LOTS FOLK UP HERE DONE THE SAME YEARS AGO
campo , the point being made on this thread is ridiculous , people begrudging others for saving a few pound in the current climate where they can , is this something you would not do yourself?
So , public servants are supposed to shop in dublin , while others are allowed to travel north to save a few pound, is that it ?
ffs , public sector bashing is gone beyond a joke at this stage , at least the sector strike , the rest of ye just bend over and let the corrupt**s fcuk ya again and again.
So , public servants are supposed to shop in dublin , while others are allowed to travel north to save a few pound, is that it ?
ffs , public sector bashing is gone beyond a joke at this stage , at least the sector strike , the rest of ye just bend over and let the corrupt**s fcuk ya again and again.
patsy , your point is ridiculous , what do you expect people to do?
Toby,
Do you sit waiting to disagree with every thread started ?
They might strike but they won't picket.
If you are telling me that its okay from your standpoint to strike for the day and deny services to Joe Sixpack, many, many of them very poorly delivered in the first place, and rather than do your bit on the line, you head north and hand your money to your nearest competitor, then I can accept that.
Its bull sh!t, but its an opinion and everyone is entitled to one.
As for corr upts** I wonder to whom do you refer ?
Do you sit waiting to disagree with every thread started ?
They might strike but they won't picket.
If you are telling me that its okay from your standpoint to strike for the day and deny services to Joe Sixpack, many, many of them very poorly delivered in the first place, and rather than do your bit on the line, you head north and hand your money to your nearest competitor, then I can accept that.
Its bull sh!t, but its an opinion and everyone is entitled to one.
As for corr upts** I wonder to whom do you refer ?
Toby ... Everybody should be shopping local ... not just public servants.
The old saying 'what goes around comes around' is very appropriate. The more money spent in shops etc here the more money that is kept within the economy and the more jobs that are created/maintained. Basic economics really..
Not to mention the carbon footprint ..
The old saying 'what goes around comes around' is very appropriate. The more money spent in shops etc here the more money that is kept within the economy and the more jobs that are created/maintained. Basic economics really..
Not to mention the carbon footprint ..
i didnt get paid for the day patsy so i can do as i like , you are entitled to your opinion but to suggest that one section of society should pay more for a product than the rest of society makes little sense to me patsy.
campo , what caused this shopping migration last xmas ?
a thick cnut in dublin who raised vat as our nearest neighbour reduced theirs , people are allowed to shop where they like , and are most likely to try and save a few quid wherever they can , best of luck to them.
a thick cnut in dublin who raised vat as our nearest neighbour reduced theirs , people are allowed to shop where they like , and are most likely to try and save a few quid wherever they can , best of luck to them.
campo , what caused this shopping migration last xmas ?
a thick cnut in dublin who raised vat as our nearest neighbour reduced theirs , people are allowed to shop where they like , and are most likely to try and save a few quid wherever they can , best of luck to them.
a thick cnut in dublin who raised vat as our nearest neighbour reduced theirs , people are allowed to shop where they like , and are most likely to try and save a few quid wherever they can , best of luck to them.
this is hilarius. I find people having a problem with anyone going north to shop a complete joke, people will go where they can get the best deal no matter what. You shop around for the best price when you bet, this is no different. Shops have been scre wing us down here for years now. This will sort that out pretty quick, and about time to. Yes some businesses will go to the wall and jobs will be lost but markets are competitive by definition and those that are the most competitive will survive. Its simple.
I have shopped in the North and would not rule it out again, but I think shops down south are beginning to come back into line somewhat, and its difficult to say if the value is still there given travel costs etc.
So what if people went up today who were off work, these people are probably made up of those who did not agree with the strike action other wise they would have been at the picket lines.
Storm in a teacup, which bizarrely enough could over shadow the real issue facing us all. The public sector strikes are idiotic and nonsense. I lost my job 6 months ago and only recently found re-employment (thank god).
People who face reductions in salary have to redesign there budgets and soilder on.
One thing I do think should happen is the Govt should make the banks sit down and look at peoples individual circumstances offering them any assistance possible with regards helping them to cope with repayments, longer terms, refinancing couples in negative equity allowing them to cope and get through the hard times we are in.
We had woefull trouble when I lost work getting our finances sorted out. We still had my wifes income but it was a major struggle. Something should be introduced to help people in these situations, then people would be more willing to go with what ultimately will have to happen one way or the other.
I have shopped in the North and would not rule it out again, but I think shops down south are beginning to come back into line somewhat, and its difficult to say if the value is still there given travel costs etc.
So what if people went up today who were off work, these people are probably made up of those who did not agree with the strike action other wise they would have been at the picket lines.
Storm in a teacup, which bizarrely enough could over shadow the real issue facing us all. The public sector strikes are idiotic and nonsense. I lost my job 6 months ago and only recently found re-employment (thank god).
People who face reductions in salary have to redesign there budgets and soilder on.
One thing I do think should happen is the Govt should make the banks sit down and look at peoples individual circumstances offering them any assistance possible with regards helping them to cope with repayments, longer terms, refinancing couples in negative equity allowing them to cope and get through the hard times we are in.
We had woefull trouble when I lost work getting our finances sorted out. We still had my wifes income but it was a major struggle. Something should be introduced to help people in these situations, then people would be more willing to go with what ultimately will have to happen one way or the other.
tobywrong,
I never said that one section should pay more than others.
Where did you get that idea ?
If thats the standard of logic thats used in the public sector, then no wonder its focked.
Anyone going North is doing the wrong thing by their sons,
daughters and neighbours who hope to keep a job.
Todays display only highlighted the Me Fein attitude prevalent throughout the Public Sector.
Well done on your day off, by the way.
I hope you filled your time constructively.
Like looking for a Summer job in the case of teacher, for example, because milking the system for only 9 months of theyear isn't enough.
I never said that one section should pay more than others.
Where did you get that idea ?
If thats the standard of logic thats used in the public sector, then no wonder its focked.
Anyone going North is doing the wrong thing by their sons,
daughters and neighbours who hope to keep a job.
Todays display only highlighted the Me Fein attitude prevalent throughout the Public Sector.
Well done on your day off, by the way.
I hope you filled your time constructively.
Like looking for a Summer job in the case of teacher, for example, because milking the system for only 9 months of theyear isn't enough.
well according to your opening post , public servants were the only ones up north today
Atc you may not agree but the flooded towns of ireland are looking to their locals to shop local to help them and the local economy get back on its feet.
I always look for value but it has never entered my mind to go north and i try to buy irish where possible for quality
I always look for value but it has never entered my mind to go north and i try to buy irish where possible for quality
What is a complete joke is people who work in shops etc not spending their money in their place of work and therefore going some way to protecting their own jobs. This craic that getting value is the be all an end all is not totally true.
Even more so for public servants ... the gov pay their wages... the gov loses revenue by them going north ... they must take paycuts to off set the lose in taxes.
But everyone has free will and can keep their head in the sand for as long as they want that shopping up north has no affect on the economy and us the residents and tax payers of this country.
Even more so for public servants ... the gov pay their wages... the gov loses revenue by them going north ... they must take paycuts to off set the lose in taxes.
But everyone has free will and can keep their head in the sand for as long as they want that shopping up north has no affect on the economy and us the residents and tax payers of this country.
and as i have said on here a good few times before , if you think teaching is so cushy , 4-5 years training and a take home starting salary of 480 could be yours patsy.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, all that good work by flood workers undone by few shoppers :^0
Agree with alot of what ATC says, especially when it comes to the value available when travel, food, etc. is added.
However this raises an eyebrow
So what if people went up today who were off work, these people are probably made up of those who did not agree with the strike action other wise they would have been at the picket lines.
Sure ATC, sure.
Comrades all.
However this raises an eyebrow
So what if people went up today who were off work, these people are probably made up of those who did not agree with the strike action other wise they would have been at the picket lines.
Sure ATC, sure.
Comrades all.
campo , if those clowns cut vat in the morning where would people do their shopping??
tobywrong
This is what I am talking about when I mention milking the system
Is it not the case that a female schoolteacher, being paid part time and on a jobsharing wage, can arrange things for a pregnancy so that she can go back on fulltime wages, for the duration of her maternity leave ? FFS !!
As for the 4/5 years training and the starting salary, don't make me laugh. Average out face to face workling time over the year and ye are getting a better hourly wage than most people who have done 20 years training.
This is what I am talking about when I mention milking the system
Is it not the case that a female schoolteacher, being paid part time and on a jobsharing wage, can arrange things for a pregnancy so that she can go back on fulltime wages, for the duration of her maternity leave ? FFS !!
As for the 4/5 years training and the starting salary, don't make me laugh. Average out face to face workling time over the year and ye are getting a better hourly wage than most people who have done 20 years training.
well as i said patsy , if you like it , have a go at it.
and as i have said on here a good few times before , if you think teaching is so cushy , 4-5 years training and a take home starting salary of 480 could be yours patsy.
not every one can teach, so the old if you think its so good arguement why dont you do it is trotted out on a regular basis, by the same token when the PS were complaining about the private sector getting more then them you didnt see a mass exedous in the PS.
4-5 years training? yeah alot of us went to college as well thats 4years training so if your salary is 480 in year 1 how does a 25 year old teacher get 43k after only 3 full years? ---from the irish times.
I couldnt teach to save my life, id have them all killed, but what**es me off is the fact that in this climate the PS just dont realise that they have it good.
not every one can teach, so the old if you think its so good arguement why dont you do it is trotted out on a regular basis, by the same token when the PS were complaining about the private sector getting more then them you didnt see a mass exedous in the PS.
4-5 years training? yeah alot of us went to college as well thats 4years training so if your salary is 480 in year 1 how does a 25 year old teacher get 43k after only 3 full years? ---from the irish times.
I couldnt teach to save my life, id have them all killed, but what**es me off is the fact that in this climate the PS just dont realise that they have it good.
i sincerely appreciate my job and love it , but im sick of people taking a shot for a career path i chose 15 years ago ballaman.
ballaman, dont worry im sure you could teach, sure loads of them only have a hdip anyway.
Toby,
I don't want a go at teaching, nursing or any other wing of the Govenrment.
I don't want a guaranteed increment every year. I'd prefer to earn a wage increase, as if thats going to happen this year or next.
I don't want to work in an organisation where my hard work is rewarded no more than the alcoholic layabout as we all get paid the same, up or down.
Wouldn't mind the pension at a little over 7% contributions though.
That would be sweet.
I don't want a go at teaching, nursing or any other wing of the Govenrment.
I don't want a guaranteed increment every year. I'd prefer to earn a wage increase, as if thats going to happen this year or next.
I don't want to work in an organisation where my hard work is rewarded no more than the alcoholic layabout as we all get paid the same, up or down.
Wouldn't mind the pension at a little over 7% contributions though.
That would be sweet.
good for you patsy , i hope you achieve your goal and always have gainful employment
100 lines for toby, i shall never be aggresive or bully anyone on here ever again , when i think of all the treats you've made against me i shudder to think what the poor children you teach have to suffer you cnut.corrupting young minds with your hatred of all things not irish god love them .
Toby not having a go at you , but have a number of lecturer/teacher friends and hear them moan about the stress, about how johnny who they taught is now earning 50k more then them and its not fair (johnny is now on the dole). when teased about their holidays one of them who is on close to 90k actually got upset with me. they are all whinging that the pension levy is terrible when i would love a pension like that.
they are just not doing themselves any favours at the moment and to actually go shopping in the competitions shop when your own shop is struggling just about sums up where alot of the PS heads are at the moment.
they are just not doing themselves any favours at the moment and to actually go shopping in the competitions shop when your own shop is struggling just about sums up where alot of the PS heads are at the moment.
workrider , where on this thread did i say im a teacher ?
obviously , education was wasted on you , you fool
obviously , education was wasted on you , you fool
Good thread and I have another take on it.
My opinion FWIW is that if it suited me I would not give going north (or wherever the best price or value is) a second thought.
The reason why is that every time I go into a shop in Dublin and see the prices dropping I think about all the years that decent citizens were reefed almost everywhere they went.
I work with people that have spent up to 10 years in 3rd level education and now are living hand to mouth.
When the likes of Golfing Seanie and Fingers are behind bars come back to us and then the citizens of this country will be willing to help
My opinion FWIW is that if it suited me I would not give going north (or wherever the best price or value is) a second thought.
The reason why is that every time I go into a shop in Dublin and see the prices dropping I think about all the years that decent citizens were reefed almost everywhere they went.
I work with people that have spent up to 10 years in 3rd level education and now are living hand to mouth.
When the likes of Golfing Seanie and Fingers are behind bars come back to us and then the citizens of this country will be willing to help
the dog toby, even a fool would know you had to be a teacher , your nothing but a bully .the worst kind of one to , a wexford one.
i work in education**rider , a part of which is teaching , there are many other positions in this sector.
now run along , i have told you before to keep away from me , i have no interest in conversing with a simpleton such as yourself.
now run along , i have told you before to keep away from me , i have no interest in conversing with a simpleton such as yourself.
you diden't even go on picket duty today , home to your fire ,what a wimp .sadly its cnuts like you who have the country fooked . gimme gimme gimme take take take give nothing back ,the next time you come on here extolling all thats great about the gaa and its orishness i'll just think back to you running home to your nice warm fire . your one of these clowns who talk the talk but dont walk the walk , sad little fooker you are, now off to your kennell with you and dont be coming on here telling us how to live you shyster .
im sure your daughters spawn is proud to have a grandad like you :D
Have to agree with thread creater.IMF will soon put manners on teachers
what my grandchild got to do with you you pervert , thinking of beating it up are we, fook off back to your hole you weirdo , i. know now why you talk about beating up kids , its easy when there only small eh. i hope the kids come and get you you sick **.
you are one sick man**rider , now dont give it out if you cant take it and be careful as again you are on dodgy ground , you are not anonymus on here my friend .
Since when are teachers the only workers in the Public Service? Who said that teachers were in the tailback in Newry? Was there a survey taken? I doubt it very much. Maybe the rats leaving the ship were the private sector workers taking a day off and heading north to spend their 6 figure salaries.
The public sector are been demonised for the failures of government, and now are taking the brunt oof the blame for protesting against wage cuts. Is it illegal to protest against your wages been cut, and in particular unfairly relative to higher paid private and public sector workers.
If the government made the cuts equitable and there would be far less protesting, everybody would be willing to accept them.
Ensure that those responsible for the mess we are in, pay for their errors and greed.
The public sector are been demonised for the failures of government, and now are taking the brunt oof the blame for protesting against wage cuts. Is it illegal to protest against your wages been cut, and in particular unfairly relative to higher paid private and public sector workers.
If the government made the cuts equitable and there would be far less protesting, everybody would be willing to accept them.
Ensure that those responsible for the mess we are in, pay for their errors and greed.
Since when are teachers the only workers in the Public Service? Who said that teachers were in the tailback in Newry? Was there a survey taken? I doubt it very much. Maybe the rats leaving the ship were the private sector workers taking a day off and heading north to spend their 6 figure salaries.
The public sector are been demonised for the failures of government, and now are taking the brunt oof the blame for protesting against wage cuts. Is it illegal to protest against your wages been cut, and in particular unfairly relative to higher paid private and public sector workers.
If the government made the cuts equitable and there would be far less protesting, everybody would be willing to accept them.
Ensure that those responsible for the mess we are in, pay for their errors and greed.
The public sector are been demonised for the failures of government, and now are taking the brunt oof the blame for protesting against wage cuts. Is it illegal to protest against your wages been cut, and in particular unfairly relative to higher paid private and public sector workers.
If the government made the cuts equitable and there would be far less protesting, everybody would be willing to accept them.
Ensure that those responsible for the mess we are in, pay for their errors and greed.
neither are you mate , and let me tell you something i just might have an idea who you are .becare full out there be very carefull
people who advocate beating up young children are on a few lists , of that i'm very sure my friend.be carefull .
look workrider , just go away and grow up , i do not wish to converse with you on here , you invaded this thread to give me abuse .
I can take and give a bit of banter on here but your accusations are bordering on the malacious and something I am not going to accept, you are walking a legal tightrope and I would suggest you be very careful of what you are posting.
Now , good day to you sir , you keep away from me and i will repay the favour.
I am being reasonable here so please accept my suggestion.
I can take and give a bit of banter on here but your accusations are bordering on the malacious and something I am not going to accept, you are walking a legal tightrope and I would suggest you be very careful of what you are posting.
Now , good day to you sir , you keep away from me and i will repay the favour.
I am being reasonable here so please accept my suggestion.
The old phase "divide and rule " springs to mind in this Public/Private sector nonsense . If we all recognised who the real enemy is we might be able to sort our problems- Mr. Cowen and his ilk must be rubbing their hands in delight at how this tactic has succeeded .
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grow up guys
Grow up you childish tw@T!!
grow up guys
Grow up you childish tw@T!!
not really Santry becasue this whole mess is so big everyone is going to get swallowed up. I work in the private sector and I dont really support the ethos of public service work and the "job for life culture"
It's not healthy no matter what the pay is.
However at least the public sector are organised enough to stand up to to the political classes. For that alone I am thankful
It's not healthy no matter what the pay is.
However at least the public sector are organised enough to stand up to to the political classes. For that alone I am thankful
the majority of the people going north are alcoholics.
society is going downhill fast.
they should be ashamed of themselves
society is going downhill fast.
they should be ashamed of themselves
Professional Gambling must be the purest form of making a living. I'd love to do it that way. ** working.
i have no probs with people heading north to shop if they are entirely consistant but u guys cant pick and choose ...i know peeps that will broke no change in our fundementals but still insist in shopping cross the border
our expensive buisiness rates ,civilised min wage and relatively decent scratcher are the direct reasons for the big price differances between the juristrictions ,,,no doubt they re is some element of excessive profit margins but i believe its not the norm
FF f ucked up this country but we are compounding the problem s by lining the pockets of the brittish treasury
no doubt we will hear the very people who are taking weekly shoping excursions to Newry **ing about their kids/sibling /nephew losing their retail jobs in the new year
....duh
our expensive buisiness rates ,civilised min wage and relatively decent scratcher are the direct reasons for the big price differances between the juristrictions ,,,no doubt they re is some element of excessive profit margins but i believe its not the norm
FF f ucked up this country but we are compounding the problem s by lining the pockets of the brittish treasury
no doubt we will hear the very people who are taking weekly shoping excursions to Newry **ing about their kids/sibling /nephew losing their retail jobs in the new year
....duh
I think nobody should be castigated for going north to shop (supporting your fellow Irishmen, after all) - and Brian Lenihan in urging everyone to do their "patriotic duty" by shopping in the 26 counties earlier this year really said alot for the substance of Fianna Fáil's "Republicanism"...
However, that was a massive PR disaster for the public servants who went north yesterday. And they need all the PR help they can get at the minute, given that they are unlikely to find many in the private sector having much pity for them.
However, that was a massive PR disaster for the public servants who went north yesterday. And they need all the PR help they can get at the minute, given that they are unlikely to find many in the private sector having much pity for them.
Lot of people forgetting some basic truths, such as :
Public servants = ordinary joes trying to get by in the main = good guys
Politicos/bankers/fat cats = what is actually wrong with the country in the main = bad guys
The Govt can commit how many billion, 50 ? 80 ? I forget ... to NAMA, while at the same time looking to shave more off the wages of men and women earning 40k or less, in order to save 4 billion ? I struggle with that.
Public servants = ordinary joes trying to get by in the main = good guys
Politicos/bankers/fat cats = what is actually wrong with the country in the main = bad guys
The Govt can commit how many billion, 50 ? 80 ? I forget ... to NAMA, while at the same time looking to shave more off the wages of men and women earning 40k or less, in order to save 4 billion ? I struggle with that.
The government has not committed a single cent to NAMA. Its is being paid for by bonds issued by the government to the banks and cashed by the ECB. NAMA is a once off payment. The deficit in public spending is annual.
I agree, there are plenty of decent and hardworking public sector workers. I also do not agree that every builder, banker, politician is a bad guy. Such rhetoric is unhelpful imho. The sad truth is the cuts in public spending are a must. One of the most basic rules of running a household is that the income must be equal to or more than the outgoings. Of course we can get a loan but this is a short term**
The public spending deficit is very similar. Now people can blame bankers, builders, politicians etc... all they want but the plane home truth is that this country cannot afford to spend what is taking out of the exchequer each year.
I agree, there are plenty of decent and hardworking public sector workers. I also do not agree that every builder, banker, politician is a bad guy. Such rhetoric is unhelpful imho. The sad truth is the cuts in public spending are a must. One of the most basic rules of running a household is that the income must be equal to or more than the outgoings. Of course we can get a loan but this is a short term**
The public spending deficit is very similar. Now people can blame bankers, builders, politicians etc... all they want but the plane home truth is that this country cannot afford to spend what is taking out of the exchequer each year.
Most of the people going were parents who had the kids at home (no school) and took the chance to go.
Going up north to shop once a year is hardly high treason. I shop every week in my own county, and I dont see going over the border once in a blue moon a problem.
Listening to our esteemed leader speaking today about means testing the flood victims because 'We have to be accountable for the public finances' was something I first laughed at and then found myself getting very angry at.
I just dont understand what we have running our affairs.....it makes me very sad.
By the way Toby you didnt say anything out of line, I would just like to make that clear.
As the accusations being slung here are completely off the wall.
Going up north to shop once a year is hardly high treason. I shop every week in my own county, and I dont see going over the border once in a blue moon a problem.
Listening to our esteemed leader speaking today about means testing the flood victims because 'We have to be accountable for the public finances' was something I first laughed at and then found myself getting very angry at.
I just dont understand what we have running our affairs.....it makes me very sad.
By the way Toby you didnt say anything out of line, I would just like to make that clear.
As the accusations being slung here are completely off the wall.
Take this quick quiz to determine whether you have a working problem..
Diamond Joe, a couple of friendly questions for you.
1. Who is committing money to NAMA ? I don't undertstand what 'bonds issued by the govt to the banks and cashed by the ECB' are.
2. Re unhelpful rhetoric, who is it unhelpful to ? Is it any more unhelpful than the rhetoric about public sector workers ?
1. Who is committing money to NAMA ? I don't undertstand what 'bonds issued by the govt to the banks and cashed by the ECB' are.
2. Re unhelpful rhetoric, who is it unhelpful to ? Is it any more unhelpful than the rhetoric about public sector workers ?
1. Who is committing money to NAMA ? I don't undertstand what 'bonds issued by the govt to the banks and cashed by the ECB' are.
Bonds are basically cheques, they are being underwritten by the ECB. When the banks go to cash these "Cheques", the money will come from the ECB. NAMA then has to retrieve the cash value or as much of it as possible to pay back the ECB over 10+ years with interest. Of course, if there is a short fall at the end of the process, the tax payer will underwrite the difference. It is important to note no one knows if the tax payer will need to pay anything yet. That will only be known at the end of the process. Of course if things went well, the whole NAMA process could actually produce a profit for the tax payer. I want to emphasis i am not defending any sector. Have the banks made mistakes, even negligent mistakes? Yes, of course, but that doesn't change the fact, this mess needs to be cleared up for the countries long term future and good.
2. Re unhelpful rhetoric, who is it unhelpful to ? Is it any more unhelpful than the rhetoric about public sector workers ?
I don't believe that any stereotyping is helpful to any sector. I have been guilty of this i admit in the past, but when i look at things in the truthful cold light of day. There are un-productive parts to every part of society, whether it be private/public or even social welfare recipients. Again that though doesn't change the fact that public spending needs to decrease, simply because there is not enough money to maintain it. You may be the best public worker in the world, and worth more than you are earning but sadly, the tax take dictates public sector wages. Less tax take equals less welfare and less wages. Sad but a home truth everyone needs to face up to.
Bonds are basically cheques, they are being underwritten by the ECB. When the banks go to cash these "Cheques", the money will come from the ECB. NAMA then has to retrieve the cash value or as much of it as possible to pay back the ECB over 10+ years with interest. Of course, if there is a short fall at the end of the process, the tax payer will underwrite the difference. It is important to note no one knows if the tax payer will need to pay anything yet. That will only be known at the end of the process. Of course if things went well, the whole NAMA process could actually produce a profit for the tax payer. I want to emphasis i am not defending any sector. Have the banks made mistakes, even negligent mistakes? Yes, of course, but that doesn't change the fact, this mess needs to be cleared up for the countries long term future and good.
2. Re unhelpful rhetoric, who is it unhelpful to ? Is it any more unhelpful than the rhetoric about public sector workers ?
I don't believe that any stereotyping is helpful to any sector. I have been guilty of this i admit in the past, but when i look at things in the truthful cold light of day. There are un-productive parts to every part of society, whether it be private/public or even social welfare recipients. Again that though doesn't change the fact that public spending needs to decrease, simply because there is not enough money to maintain it. You may be the best public worker in the world, and worth more than you are earning but sadly, the tax take dictates public sector wages. Less tax take equals less welfare and less wages. Sad but a home truth everyone needs to face up to.
But what does one do about the likes of the deal done wth the Christian brothers where the public purse will be left a bill into the Billions when it is all settled. What do we do about the damage all the building work of the last 12 years has done to the flood plains. It will be close to a billinon to put all that right when all is said and done
Does the paye worker have to pay for all that as well out his own pocket ?
I'll say it again here. Until the political classes and their banker friends are made destitute then there will be no resolution to this.
Does the paye worker have to pay for all that as well out his own pocket ?
I'll say it again here. Until the political classes and their banker friends are made destitute then there will be no resolution to this.
Those people (CHILDREN) whose lives were ruined deserve recompense, not that financial compensation would in any way make up for the vile abuse perpetuated upon them.
The State allowed it to happen so yes we should pay for it. At least it is a deserving cause.
:-)
The State allowed it to happen so yes we should pay for it. At least it is a deserving cause.
:-)
after making that statement about the poor abused kids, why the smile cd ?
CailiniDeas8 26 Nov 11:11
Those people (CHILDREN) whose lives were ruined deserve recompense, not that financial compensation would in any way make up for the vile abuse perpetuated upon them.
The State allowed it to happen so yes we should pay for it. At least it is a deserving cause.
Crap thats this is two threads that I'm agreeing with you on.
Very good post.
Those people (CHILDREN) whose lives were ruined deserve recompense, not that financial compensation would in any way make up for the vile abuse perpetuated upon them.
The State allowed it to happen so yes we should pay for it. At least it is a deserving cause.
Crap thats this is two threads that I'm agreeing with you on.
Very good post.
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