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Shabba....
12 Nov 09 07:48
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Do you ever think that bookies in ireland will ever get there way and have them in there shops over here I for one hope they never do as they really are the crack cocaine of gambling I have heard to many horrible storys about them sorry if this was asked before just wondering what others opinions are on these
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Report squigs November 12, 2009 8:08 AM GMT
undobutably will happen at some point already a few of the laddies shops in Duke Lane and Ballsbridge have Self Service Betting Terminals already and the second that they legalise Fobt's these machines at the turn of the switch can become FOBT's.

They are evil full stop, I can understand many forms of gambling but not FOBT's.
Report oufies pal November 12, 2009 8:21 AM GMT
poker machines appearing all over in pubs again,illegal though i think.hope these machines never appear as there are enough folks in dire straights here without blowing a weeks wages in minutes into these addictive bandits.people who play poker machines are usually those who can least afford to do so ,with these things the problem will multiply by multiples.
Report Shabba.... November 12, 2009 8:50 AM GMT
I have never had a problem with poker machines just a few games here and there to pass time but after hearing the stories about these fobt's I hope they never set foot in the country plus you hear in england that they just take no more than 20 quid bets cause there earning more on these machines bookies cld do the same thing over here if they ever came in
Report Kelly November 12, 2009 9:18 AM GMT
The worst place for "pokeys" is Australia . I was horrified to visit a good class golf club there and see a ROOM ( big ) devoted to these type of machines . Upper middle class area location . Russell Crowe apparently bought a rugby league team out there and threw out the pokeys , fair play to him .

Like most of us on here I do not disapprove of gambling , but the essential element which must be inherent in the transaction is the possibility of winning . As with all casino activity also you CANNOT win on any of these activities , the machines will always win long term .

I have noticed the film industry over the last 10 years devoting an abnormal amount of time to themes where people "win" in casinos . Harking back to the 30's , 40's , and fifties when everyone in every film smoked themselves to death ( and wore a hat , what was that all about ) . Cigarette companies used to deliver free cigs onto the set every morning --The Quiet Man being a prime example .

Governments unfortunately are mostly run by bean counters , their main interest is gathering money , which represents power . Not too many Gandhis about .
Report squigs November 12, 2009 11:17 AM GMT
Poker Machines in pubs here are they not Random Odds not Fixed odds and thus legal?

Agree about it in Australia nearly every pub has a room devoted to teh pokies and they fill you full of drink while you play on them filthy things.
Report Santry November 12, 2009 11:18 AM GMT
These things are illegal at present but it doesnt seem to stop the bookies . Was in a shop in Ardara,Co.Donegal recently and two of these things were working on site and saw them in a Chinese Takeaway in Dublin last week . The law is not being enforced it would seem .
Report Shabba.... November 12, 2009 11:28 AM GMT
Im not a 100% sure santry but wld these have limits on them cause I know in england you can double up as much as you like a waste 000's the machines I seen over here there nothing towards those in england
Report montypanesarutd November 12, 2009 12:52 PM GMT
pub one have them in in all their shops
Report oldbean November 12, 2009 12:53 PM GMT
Santry 12 Nov 12:18


These things are illegal at present but it doesnt seem to stop the bookies . Was in a shop in Ardara,Co.Donegal recently and two of these things were working on site and saw them in a Chinese Takeaway in Dublin last week . The law is not being enforced it would seem .

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custums and exiles came into a pub near me recently, ordered the be switched off and removed, the publican did so, the following morning he put them back!!! he says he wont see them agiaain till next year, so your correct The law is not being enforced ...
Report irishlad November 12, 2009 1:27 PM GMT
Shabba, they have limits in england. maximum £100 per spin and something like only one spin every 8 seconds. They should be never allowed in. The amount of people who lose every single penny they have in them is shocking. My local london paper in the last 6 montsh has had 3 cases of guys being locked up after problem gambling and all down to these. People cue up to use them. And many shops are only open because of them. They are the crack cocaine of betting.
Report tumbles November 12, 2009 1:36 PM GMT
Nothing worse than poker machines in pubs. Always attract oddballs and not very bright characters who lose their shirt on them. Good few around Dublin now and you see the same people on them all the time. Pure greed on the part of publicans exploiting some of their less bright customers imo.
Report Shabba.... November 12, 2009 3:22 PM GMT
Irishlad I agree a 100% there ruthless I heard that bookmakers were pushing this and want them here I really do hope its just a rumour I think I can speak for most gamblers when I say keep them out there's a few mp's in england now who want them banned bookmakers shld be ashamed of them selfs for having them in the first place theres gambling and making a few quid but these machines just ruin lives and the bookies know this its a disgrace
Report da fallon factor November 12, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
it will be a sad sad day if these machines come to these shores

they are the crack cocaine for gambling addicts!!!!

ladcrooks are at the fore front of trying to get these bandits into the country
Report Eddie Batt November 12, 2009 8:01 PM GMT
I was disgusted to see a certain TD taking money on a consultancy basis from big English bookmakers.
Report Win only - Sp only November 12, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
i dont see much difference between the roulette players and the people that fire away race by race on the virtual
Report da fallon factor November 12, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
was that mr dempsey eddie?
Report stevered November 12, 2009 11:02 PM GMT
poker machines are not illegal or legal.it is a grey area. really the gambling laws need to be updated.
Report Shabba.... November 13, 2009 2:05 AM GMT
Win only - Sp only 12 Nov 21:07
i dont see much difference between the roulette players and the people that fire away race by race on the virtual


I agree virtual's can be a waste of money also but im yet to see people put there weeks wages on a virtual dog or horse and double up and waste 000's in the space of a few hours cause if you went into a bookie and put 20 quid on a virtual dog it wld rise suspicion I think there's a huge difference between the 2 imo
Report Win only - Sp only November 13, 2009 7:09 AM GMT
i have!
Report oldbean November 13, 2009 1:22 PM GMT
stevered 13 Nov 00:02


poker machines are not illegal or legal.it is a grey area. really the gambling laws need to be updated.

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whats the SP in the uk with pokies?? i presume there legal over there?? the brits like to keep things above board....
Report Paw for Paw November 13, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
I don't personally like them. But what is the difference between internet and FOBT poker games. I'd say some bloke playing on the net on his credit card is far more addictive. If your banning one ban the other !!!
Report wherethefenianssleep November 17, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
ive seen them in all the betting shops in glasgow and nobody seemed to be using them
Report Paw for Paw November 17, 2009 6:33 PM GMT
Ever been in china town in London ..... they're mad for them :)
Report wherethefenianssleep November 17, 2009 6:41 PM GMT
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Report theboyfrommatebeleland November 17, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
There are FBOTs in Belfast -but they are an absolute disgrace with people totally addicted to them.Are they legal here?Would anybody be interested in an organisation of Gamblers agaainst FOBTs?
Report ko2 November 17, 2009 7:13 PM GMT
i despise bookies in general and their sharp practices. but really people shouldnt be so stupid to play these things. have they no brains at all. people getting addicted to losing their dough every week on them . silly
Report Kelly November 17, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
Most of the decent sized bookies shops in the North have up to 4 FOBT's . Cant say I see them being used as much as they were a year ago --partly because the takeovers / movements in ownership in Belfast in particular mean there are fewer punters in what were once very busy locally owned shops .

I was in one today , in its prime it was in the top 5 turnover wise in the North . There were 2 staff in it around 12.20 , start of racing today , and about 5 punters / attendees in the pitch . No one had a bet in the 4 minutes I was in the shop to collect a bet --which invariably / inevitably was wrong payout amount , staff have little interest or clue about what is happening or what has happened result wise .

Like casinos ( where you cant win --if you do you are banned ) FOBT's should be banned , or the proceeds taxed ferociously to pay for addiction help stations . Any situation where the maxim " if you cant win , you cant lose " does not apply should not be allowed in the high street .
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