Paddy Power - Unusal betting Patterns - should be looked into

not sure I agree with the conspiracy theory as there were plenty of reasons to want to take him on but someone on bet daq certainly wanted to take him on for chunks in the 7 minutes up to start time. He was 4.6/4.7 here and 5/ 5./1 for as much as you wanted over there . Its rare thats you see that difference being maintained and it was getting matched and being put back up.Considering how much of a stinker he ran, it did get me thinking..

what a stupid thread

What a stupid reply.

It is a stupid thread,the first poster constantly writes unreasoned refuse.The poor fella isnt well i dont think.

inside info, your point is?

some idiot, probably drunk at 3pm reckons paddy knew the horse would get beat . yes maybe aiden himself rang paddy to tell him to "take 100k out of rip for me"

maybe the long season and (another) injury scare made them want to go after it, maybe they wanted to give money away to arbers like they do with the enhanced shows!

whatever the reasons, it not fking conspiracy is it ffs

Win only- Sp only, nothing would surprise me re: bookmaker sharp practice.I used to work for a firm myself and saw plenty going on that shouldnt have.Was there not another incident recently involving PP where they massively enhanced the price of a dog that one of their staff had connections to.Who do you work for BTW?

Paddy Power KNEW RIP VAN WINKLE was going to underperform by a long way.


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so paddy's traders thought it was the lay of the meeting?? big deal.. thats what they do!!! and they do it well imvho...fwiw...

insideinfo 08 Nov 11:20
Win only- Sp only, nothing would surprise me re: bookmaker sharp practice.I used to work for a firm myself and saw plenty going on that shouldnt have.Was there not another incident recently involving PP where they massively enhanced the price of a dog that one of their staff had connections to.Who do you work for BTW?

tesco

Once again the morons and mugs of this forum come to light.

Thank god for betfair...keep betting mugs!

Tesco? At least thats a step up from working for a lily livered outfit like PP.

And what are you waffling about oldbean.Because you work in some backwater bookies you think you know what you are talking about.Im offered SP only in PP shops around Dublin on a regular basis and you try to tell me that their Traders are good? Yellow would be the word i would use.

insideinfo,
did his conkers this weekend, NAP!! ;)

Grow up fool.Are you trying to say that because i have a different opinion to you that i must have done my bollix over the weekend.Sound reasoning there from the bookie cashier.

If they put Tiger Woods in specials would you be complaining about a**too. Idiocy.

maybe as zenyatta was all for money and they knew once the live show came in with the states, the price of rip was sure to drift so was value to stick i all the multiples

also they may well of fancied the pants off zenyatta

insideinfo 08 Nov 13:52


Grow up fool.Are you trying to say that because i have a different opinion to you that i must have done my bollix over the weekend.Sound reasoning there from the bookie cashier.

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WOW, u really are an angry little man...
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I would be an angry little man if i was stuck behind a bookies counter all day every day.Thankfully im not oldbean.You make yourself look rather foolish wheeling out the old "you have done your bollix NAP" rubbish when you cant give a reasoned argument on the topic in hand.What has what i have won or lost got to do with anything anyway??

shock horror bookamker lays irish favourite in bog race of the year.

quite right they must have known, otherwise nobody would have backed it.

inside info.i agree totally with oldbean.id say you done ur bol.l.ix...then realised that rip was lay of the year..and are angry with yourself.laying ap ob horses in america is a licence to print money over the years....bear this in mind next year please..and dont be coming up with idiotic theorys about pp(whom i dont particularly like)

I'm with Kavvie on this

take the hint in future

I find that they are shrewd enough in this regard.

We would have been on here moaning our tits off if he had been at evens so what is wrong with a bookies trying to attract custom he was the headline name of the meeting.

That they knew the outcome or could influence it?
Its the breeders cup pull the other one matey its worth so much to owners breeders a small enough Irish operation by global standards will not have info that no one else has, there price was not stand out eithe.

that they think it was an overated horse?
That was well known in my opinion and yours as well as your nap of the meeting was the 2nd fav.

Having learnt my lesson at Melbourne last year with Septimus I was never going to back Van Winkle.

They willl be offering Kauto Star in all the doubles, trebles etc come Cheltenham just so the once a year punters can get on board. will that be a**

Most of your posts seem to be about bookmakers and sharp and dodgy practices. In all fairness they are not set out as charitys and to say they are money grabbing cowboys will shock no one on here if Powers only let you on at SP what are you doing in the shops anyway to give such a comprehensive review of their breeders cup coverage.

They must have known about Goldikova to they enhanced her to 15/8 in the early prices not bad considering 7/4 was best price at the time thank you very much paddy!

insideinfo=mug
kavvie and oldbean spot on

kavvie i didnt even have a bet at the meeting never mind betting the Obrien horse.I was not the one who put the thread up either,i was simply agreeing with the original poster in his assumption that PP may have had a bad word for the horse.Im surprised at some of the views regarding PP on this thread.If they were as shrewd as some of you are trying to make out then they would have no bother in accepting my bets in the shops on a daily basis.They usually limit me to SP when i want to have more than 50 euro on something.

i have found pp(ennis shannon and limerick) to be a lot better than any other firm for getting on lumpy bets(morning prices and show prices)..and i would have a reasonable degree of success..ive been refused by other firms with regularity..if u have a prob with one particular pp.. switch shops they wont know you there?

TRUEMAN, Surely has a valid point that a punter can't complain to anybody when he see's a bookmaker put up very unusual betting patterns, if maybe this example is not the best.

Its a well known fact bookmakers pay some stable staff to tip them off about potential winners. Didn't the magic sign admit when Commanche Court won the Grand National in 2000 was it, that they went shortest on him after he was backed by the stable with a free bet they gave them for opening an account.

Is it not funny, how punters who get tips off jockeys and trainers and then give a present for the info get banned from the track, while when was the last time we saw a bookmaker in the dock.

Yet we all know it goes on.

I think Trueman has got a valid point that a punter should have some right to complain when he see's a bookmaker operate a unusal betting pattern, too many losers have a habit of just drifting too much in the market.

I mean why should punters be the only ones prosecuted for buying inside information when a successfull gamble comes off why also aren't bookmakers getting investigated for successful lays that beat the book or for taking a risk not normally taken by this bookmaker. I think TRUEMAN has a valid point.

But like I said ,maybe he hasn't picked the best example here...Cheers

OOPS...It was Papillon of course, not Commanche Court which landed the big gamble in the 2000 Grand National......Cheers

Spot on Bless.

There is a world of difference between a bookmaker being told via a free bet that something is fancied to win a big race and a bookmaker being told that something won't win a race (big or otherwise)

The performance of O'Brien's string at the whole meeting, especially Saturday night, coupled with the fact that every race was won bya horse on lasix which RVW wasn't, surely accopunted for the drift more than any inside info conspiracy theory.

DB...Yeah you could give the benefit of the doubt to somebody taking on RVW as it could be linked to marketing purposes on a high profile race or other things.

But the point I took from his thread was why are bookmakers exempt from investigation when a horse runs a unusual betting pattern with the company involved. If it was me or you laying it on Betfair we be under all type of investiagtions when it loses.

Why aren't bookmaker subjected to the same procedures. Like I said how many horses that drift like a barge get hammered in the end. That surely can't always be linked to what happens in the market.

I'm not sure how they could investigated these bookmakers but its surely reasonable these days that a punter has a right to call for a investigation of a betting pattern on some of these losers and see exactly who layed it for what.

That was the point I took from TRUEMAN thread. As he said he didn't back it anyway so he's not really bothered about RVW in general.....Cheers

spot on bless and i agree that the best example was not the one above , some of the replies on the thread about pocket talk were pathetic and symbolic of what one would usually see on the main forum.

Glanced through the thread, but I do like when Paddy's go enhanced prices. The choice is still ours to back it or avoid it. If we knew that it was going to lose like Powers as some suggest can't we lay it too on here!!

Remember Bookies aren't called Accountants for nothing!!

Hi SOAPP, Just really is it right that punters can't go somewhere to ask for a price drift by a bookie to be investigated.

Yet the bookie can if he wants to try and avoid a big payout.

Kind of seems like double standards doesn't it.

Like you do wonder, do bookie freely offer lower prices on a horse they know will be beat, known that if open it a longer prices it would just highlight to shop punters its not fancied. ]:)

And if they do is it been gathered by paying somebody in the stable for that informantion. You would have to suspect that it must be going on a lot. As far as I know thats now illegal. At least if we as punters do it anyway.

What do you think is it a case of double standards like Trueman indicates and would you like to see somewhere punters could raises these cases ?

Or do you think the betting market all operates above board like it should in a market economy?

I'm not so sure myself now the more I think about it. That haven a investigator available to see everything is above board, wouldn't go amiss :0 .........Cheers

Good points Bless and Trueman to a certain extent.
What about a few weeks ago when Galway were to bt Dundalk and the whole world knew about it,what happened the FAI went into both dressing rooms and told them they were being watched.Result 3-0 Dundalk and myself and most punters done our dosh.There was unusual betting patterns but did we get our money back-NO.
Last Friday another game with unusual betting patterns ,ie all money for Derry to bt Dundalk,and I go in againDerry win and I recoup my monkey from the Galway game +another monkey.I thank my Northern brethern for letting me know that Derry should win(90th minute winner)but what happens nextBills and a couple of others say Hold on unusual betting patterns Hold all Payments.Now I didnt bet with Bills,luckily so to me thats double standards.Punters never get the money back whenever supposed**or fixed results dont win,but as soon as 1 cops punters are treated badly.
So what about this Oldbean and all the bookmaking fraternity on here (Ruby and all the PP traders who are always on here)Why the double standards shouldnt a decision be made before the result is made and punters informed if possible that the bets are void

be nt f ixed