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swiftynifty
08 Nov 26 17:16
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How many on here have made over £1 million GROSS P/L?

With the amount of traders and bots I reckon quite a few.

But how many have made over £1 million NET P/L?

Maybe more than you'd think in 25 years.

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By:
richgit
When: 08 Nov 26 17:19
...Well I would say the pre race punters...NIL.
....However, the "cheats" have filled their boots at the expense of others.....
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 17:26
There must be a few surely?

Who do you define as cheats? Traders, arbers, bot users, fast pic 'thieves'?

There must be some big stakers with well over a £million gross but little or nothing net.
By:
richgit
When: 08 Nov 26 17:31
......Swifty,,i seem to recall that you have been known to dabble in the dark arts on here ( fair enough ).........I was referring to fast picture in running cheats.......If Betfair allow it, then that's fair enough ....just remember, if a cheat wins a million, some poor unsuspecting folks have lost a million.

Anyway, I don't want to get sanctimonious about it....never done it, never been a victim of it .....G.L
By:
Busyfool
When: 08 Nov 26 17:39
i could name at least 8
By:
uptheirons
When: 08 Nov 26 17:40
People who had an advantage of having pics that were less delayed (and I was one of them for years) were hardly "cheats".
All of you would have done the same,richgit.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 17:40
richgit, never have personally. Always played in running with massive disadvantages, lesser in recent times obviously, bar a couple of days trial of drones, but not for me, and a short trial of GPS data, also not for me. I actually like watching horse racing!

fwiw, I would've lost plenty over the years from naively playing on the unlevel pitch. I was quite vocal at the time that Betfair were not explicit enough about the product they were providing. If they had been, and had worked to address the pic speeds I think the whole site (horse racing in particular obv) would be in far healthier position than it is now.
By:
richgit
When: 08 Nov 26 17:44
..Irons.  I had no need at all to do it,... plus the fact I'm clueless about it.

Swifty....sorry to cast aspersions then....I recall RICO bragging to a co-conspiritoron here many moons ago , and thought it was you.,..,.SOZ
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 17:45
busy, is that £1million+ net? I'm guessing all in-running guys?
By:
formoftheace
When: 08 Nov 26 17:45
I doubt iron has a decent shirt in the wardrobe tbh…probably meet his maker due everyone imv
By:
uptheirons
When: 08 Nov 26 17:47
Better bait required,Two BobberLaugh
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 17:50
richgit, no offence taken! That could've been rico talking to Hugo or sid or barking or........a.n.other log in!
By:
richgit
When: 08 Nov 26 17:54
...Indeed...he's usually ignored by most folks on here, so ends up boasting to his assorted username  mirror.
....In a way though, he's a comical chap...and in fairness, successful in his skullduggery.
By:
Busyfool
When: 08 Nov 26 17:54
si y si

also had access to faster feeds via satellite dishes that could tune into things like dobuy and france. they were often 6 seconds in front but not now. and theres no money to pick up anyway

there was also the spectacular anomaly of betfair sportsbook, which reqired a £1 bet to see the race, being 6 secs in front of the exchange suspend. flash decommissioning ended it. shame. i been losing ever since

available to anyone, as were the shops most of them were in before most of them decamped to the track
By:
uptheirons
When: 08 Nov 26 18:00
How are things going,Busy?
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 18:03
busy, you took advantage of an edge, fairly or otherwise. the fault lies fairly and squarely with betfair. As a product in running on horse racing should be very appealing , even more so nowadays where the playing field is almost level, but far too many people have been too bitten to try again and newcomers will have heard the stories of the past to steer well clear. As for betfair actually promoting it, that seems like a distant memory.
By:
Busyfool
When: 08 Nov 26 18:07
die a bollicol

annus horibilis. half-blind, courtesy of the angels of the nhs who gave me injections in me eyeball and scratched me retina. i/r hardy nuff with 2 mince pies. ive got one functioning
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 08 Nov 26 18:08
theres a world of difference between 'someone' claiming to have won millions and that person substantiating it..95% of people talk utter pony...ive come across thousands who spout shíte.
By:
uptheirons
When: 08 Nov 26 18:10
Still at the same place,Busy?
By:
Busyfool
When: 08 Nov 26 18:19
i/r was the original usp and everyone thought they would be great at it and many tried but became disillusioned at getting raped every day. at the outset, it was free money, and plenty of it for some

not me. i was slow on the uptake and my first 100 bets were on the phone. simply didnt understand what a pc was, how it worked and the pic problem until i ironed out 4k and had to change. paid someone to show me how to do it, which took about a week. to this day i dont have a phone

reminds me, im so fick, on of the 8 made a right mug of me. i had a broken right wrist and was moaning about not being able to bet. he told me to go to maplins and get a left-handed mouse, which i did. geezer in shop thought i was a mystery shopper, rather than a moron

it is a great what if? had betfair been onto the pic problem at the start, but they had too much going on at the time. i know a few who were there, like cruddace, and it was frenetic. shame and chance missed, unlikely to return. you just cannot know how many could have done it, given the chance, but few did, aside from those willing to give up their job, or didnt have one
By:
Busyfool
When: 08 Nov 26 18:24
ricardo keeps bad company

yes ironman. simple economics. as you know i wasted fortunes on rent over 20 years and dont have it any longer, and unlikely to get it again and as this is the only part of london i could tolerate i will not be moving, unless to emigrate, which is a distinct possibility

i wont ask you the same as its 1.0000000001. still overturning prams and spitting at old ladies?
By:
uptheirons
When: 08 Nov 26 18:27
IndeedLaugh
By:
brassneck
When: 08 Nov 26 18:52
Its not difficult,all you have to do is double a quid twenty times,take 4 years no need to hurry.Laugh
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 08 Nov 26 18:53
lying comes natural to 97% of gamblers.
By:
brassneck
When: 08 Nov 26 19:05
Be one of the 3%,go get that quid and double it 20 times.Wink
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 19:07
brassie, how many times have you tried this? I'm guessing you've found it slightly more difficult than suggested!
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 19:08
most people would get to about £512 and say I'm not staking that. Cistern fails , no flush.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 08 Nov 26 19:09
1/1,000,000 to fail swifty..
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 19:11
almost definitely. and the only place you could get on would be on here, price collapse so the odds would be even worse than an evens chance.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 08 Nov 26 19:11
brassie, got any more?
By:
uptheirons
When: 08 Nov 26 19:12
Brassdick has never posted a sensible suggestion
By:
brassneck
When: 08 Nov 26 19:19
When you get to £512 Your minds changes,you start thinking about buying 512 TAYLOR SWIFT key rings at £1 each and selling them at £2 Each.When you go up a stage your mind will tell you the BEST way to double your money.Remember you have 4 years to complete the million quid task.Shocked
By:
brassneck
When: 08 Nov 26 19:21
This time 4 years from now we will all be millionairesGrin
By:
eightbo
When: 12 Nov 26 16:11
not yet, gj to all that have, +ev not enough you need to be able to hold your stones to not give back what you've made.  i've given back loads from sh*te risk management, overclicking prices when daily pnl drawing down, ignoring or not setting a daily risk limit etc and just generally doing my coconuts plenty of times, loss limits + earlier deposit limits has always maxed out still go aggro sometimes even now as cant really have a loss limit and run auto as well if no MSA.  I mostly play bots these days, no stress and pnl way more consistent but not as fun as being the gunman altho not having to wake up with bullet wounds is nice these days
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 12 Nov 26 21:43
Theres not much money in the boxes these days and its all totally controlled. Cant play on impulse and if you use an overide as most will you get matched at your overide...the paddibot is a highly technical piece of kit.To win more than a tenner you have to play before the last couple of furlongs..theres little to win very late..discipline is key..its a wages game at best.
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